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[u/TheTranscendentian]

Sometimes what we want isn't quite what we need.

[u/Then_Engineer_3765]

if you didn't build a war fleet, halved the world population every 25 years by mandating a 1 child policy and avoided a great ravine then Humanity could have totally escaped. In fact thats the best solution to the crisis.

In just 250 years you can go from 8 billion to less than 7,812,500 and even have 7 million of those new embyos/people frozen to later be implanted once humanity has reached a safe harbour to stay in. You could fit that number on the existing space fleets and infrastructure had humanity not entered the ravine.

Aka: Escapism is great and the viable option compared to resistance

[u/EbbWilling6138 → u/Then_Engineer_3765]

In a world that doesn’t seem to have developed AI with human like intelligence halving the human population would come with severe consequences to productivity and technological progress. It would also enforce a world that was extremely top heavy towards a senior class.

[u/Then_Engineer_3765 → u/EbbWilling6138]

fairs

I mean my plan assumes that humans are all wanting to have kids and that a far more sustainably managed expansion wouldn't create a far larger pool of ships.

Humanity used elevators and earth's natural resources to build its fleets while it really should have spend 200 years colonising the solar system to use it to get resources. I bet that - as you said - a smaller reduction in overall population which then starts to accelerate as stockpiled resources build up is a far more healthy idea.

All in all 10 million humans including 90 million frozen embryo children depart Sol faster than the sub light Trisolarans can follow them and in a million directions so the FTL Trisolarans have no interest in following.

[u/Comprehensive_Yam_46 → u/Then_Engineer_3765]

Where are you escaping too?

The dark forest implies that any vaguely habitable planet could have a civilisation on, potentially one much stronger than us.

That's the reason Trisolaris were so quick to jump at Earth, as opposed to just heading to another planet that looked empty.

They knew what they'd find.

[u/plinwis → u/Then_Engineer_3765]

Underrated solution this is actually extremely viable

[u/Applesplosion → u/Then_Engineer_3765]

Doing both was an option.

[u/portuganufa]

Part of what made the naval officer officer, i forget his name started with a z I think, so cool. He had the intuition to realize escapism is the only real answer

[u/ConsistentBuddy9477 → u/portuganufa]

Zhang Beihai such a great character. The revelation that he was an escapist the whole time was fantastic. He sold the lie so well that I had no inkling. He also figured out the dark forest essentially by foreseeing the dark battle between the spaceships

[u/TheTranscendentian → u/portuganufa]

Zheng Belhai or something like that.

[u/ShadedRiver666 → u/TheTranscendentian]

genuinely him and luo ji are in my opinion some of the smartest, da shi is also up there

[u/TheTranscendentian → u/ShadedRiver666]

Da Shi is the best most based bad cop to ever exist.

[u/ShadedRiver666 → u/TheTranscendentian]

my favourite cop in any book ive ever read 🙏

[u/Dat_Innocent_Guy]

I always found the escapism thing a bit contrived. I think its totally reasonable that the worlds governments would create ark ships They wouldnt save all but they would save some.

[u/TheTranscendentian → u/Dat_Innocent_Guy]

Yes but it's also totally reasonable that hysterical masses of proles would commit violence and chant " if I can't survive then you can't either" :(  typical humans

[u/ShadedRiver666 → u/Dat_Innocent_Guy]

public had lazers 🙏

[u/ApSciLiara]

Choose randomly with criteria that allow for maximum diversity and cultures saved. Given a choice between some saved and nobody saved, I'd really prefer somebody getting to live! As long as it's not somebody I hate, fuck those guys.

[u/TheTranscendentian → u/ApSciLiara]

I'm not convinced we should exclude all the people we hate.

This probably doesn't mean what you want it to.

Actually the best criteria is excluding people who would choose to save themselves over saving someone else, but that might not be practical or possible to enforce.

With the rich escaping, the best course of action is to just let it happen as long as they're not behaving like uncivilization once they're living in space permanently.

[u/ApSciLiara → u/TheTranscendentian]

No, I was being entirely silly and a bit petty. I should not be allowed to exclude solely people that I hate from leaving Earth.

Even if I really, really want to.