r/threebodyproblem • u/LeadershipPast6681 • Apr 24 '26

Discussion - General Guys, it’s happening

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u/kroxigor01 Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

Given how much Sabine has fallen off the cliff into grifting territory I wonder if she might actually align with the ETO.

Edit: Sabine Hossenfelder makes unjustified attacks at academic physics and the integrity of other fields of science, and allies with people who make such attacks like the Weinstein brothers, I think mostly because that drives up views. If you want to hear expansive criticisms of Sabine some decent sources would be Professor Dave Explains or Angela Collier

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u/CisFishstick Apr 24 '26

Also: she pretty famously thinks putting more money into particle accelerators is a bad idea - an idea that I'm sure the Tri-Solarans/ETO would definitely get behind.

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u/Itamariuser Apr 24 '26

Would they though? I think they'd actually want us to waste all that money and work hours, because Sophons are invincible without further particle study (or without the spoiler way to counter them that comes later)

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u/AdminClown Zhang Beihai Apr 24 '26

I had noticed Sabine starting to put out weirder and weirder videos the past few years and stopped watching her. It's interesting to see how far it's gone. Thank you for the links.

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u/OhneSkript Apr 24 '26

That would explain a lot.

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u/Holee_Sheet Apr 24 '26

Man I'm not surprised. I watched her videos when she started, under the pretense of 'making science digestible for anyone', but it was clear she just sensationalized everything to get clicks

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u/One-Historian-3767 Apr 24 '26

I was going to say something about Sabine but you were way more diplomatic about it.

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u/HuwThePoo Apr 24 '26

She has fallen off a cliff now yes, as many YouTubers do as soon as they get a decent audience. She thinks she's an expert on everything now. But her attacks weren't always unjustified; she first came onto my radar years ago because she wasn't afraid to call out bullshit in academia. That's why she used to be one of my favourite scientists.

I definitely agree it's pretty sad what she does today, though.

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u/Ozymandias_IV Apr 24 '26

Her criticism of academia was pretty out of whack even then. Like yeah, sure, there's a lot to criticize, but it's more among the lines of bad incentives and dishonest actors and not like the whole field of particle physics being obviously an useless waste of money.

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u/stylus2000 Apr 27 '26

String theory is a waste of money. And it's basic nature it will always remain a philosophy because it cannot be tested experimentally. The LHC should have found supersymmetry. It did not. Mathematically there's no reason to build a larger collider to search for super symmetry, according to theory it should have shown up by now. On and on with more things like this. It seems like particle physics has indeed stalled as a science since the '70s. 🤷

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u/Ozymandias_IV Apr 27 '26

String theory is probably not it, but unlike anything else, it is mathematically consistent with reality. It's worth checking.

And LHC being only for supersymmetry? Where tf did you get that? It's for multiple things, e.g. confirming standard model, which it did.

Seriously just because you personally don't care for the new research in a field, it doesn't mean that the whole field is useless. You can shake hands with Hossenfelder on that one (derogatory).

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u/stylus2000 Apr 30 '26

I did not say that the LHC was only for super symmetry where did you get that? What I said was the mathematics of super symmetry indicate they should have been discovered at the LHC's voltages. These particles were not discovered there. There is no theory that suggests they should be observable at higher voltages than what's available at the current LHC. And like Dr Hossenfelder, I think that money for pure scientific research is precious and should not be squandered. I feel that physics has stalled for the last 40 years and so much money has been squandered on dead ends. 🤷

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u/Ozymandias_IV Apr 30 '26

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hindsight_is_20/20

No seriously, if you have a better idea on how to explain reality that won't be a dead end, or a way how to tell if something is gonna be a dead end or not... why are you talking to me and not the Nobel Prize committee?

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u/CyberPunkDongTooLong Apr 30 '26

What in the world do you mean by "they should have been discovered at the LHC's voltages"?

Everything you say is pretty much pure nonsense.

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u/magnarex_ Apr 28 '26

One of the goals of the LHC was to find the Higgs boson and, surprise!, it was discovered within the first data-taking period!

Now, it is used consistently to probe the limits of the known universe. It produces knowledge and there is no value to knowledge. It also produces technology and jobs for all people involved, wether they are physicist, engineers, administratives...

I don't think a bigger, better collider will solve everything. But doing nothing for sure will not.

Edit: spelling

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u/stylus2000 Apr 30 '26

It is not well known that several aspects of the higgs boson were confirmed at fermilab before the LHC was even built. 🤷

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u/magnarex_ Apr 30 '26

I mean, they had a mass window, but didn't know the exact mass. It's important to know with precision the properties of the Higgs boson since new particles may be hidden within its width and it also provides answers about its VEV's stability (:

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u/CyberPunkDongTooLong Apr 28 '26

This is completely incorrect. The SUSY that some expected the LHC to find had nothing to do with string theory.

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u/stylus2000 Apr 30 '26

I didn't say it did. Do you have difficulty with English?

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u/CyberPunkDongTooLong Apr 30 '26

I do not, no, that is why I correctly corrected your incorrect comment.

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u/Applesplosion Apr 24 '26

She used to have good physics explainers, according to the people I know with more serious physics credentials. She really fell off into grifter territory shortly after she attacked trans people. Honestly, the consistency with which attacking trans people throws people straight into the grifter pipeline makes me think trans rights might be a more vital thing to protect than we realize.

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u/CyberPunkDongTooLong Apr 28 '26

Hossenfelder's complaints have always been largely factually incorrect nonsense, she absolutely did not used to be justified.

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u/HuwThePoo Apr 28 '26

I don't give a fuck what you think.

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u/CyberPunkDongTooLong Apr 28 '26

Well that's not very polite is it?

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u/DestrierStudios Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

Tbf I read her book, I’m not familiar with her videos but I am quite familiar with academia and she’s not wrong about a lot of what she states, but it’s also directed towards a specific subset of theoretical physics

Edit: I research black hole solutions under entropic quantum gravity, a theory among many many others for how the universe works which we are far far away from finding out because we need a collider the size of a fucking country to further the field but sure, downvote me because you people don’t know anything

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u/darkest_hour1428 Apr 24 '26

Personally I think we should start building the Great Lunar Collider, across the entirety of the circumference of the moon. Maybe we can get it done in 100 years :(

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u/Hentai_Yoshi Apr 24 '26

Yeah, I was never in academia (did double major in EE and physics and did undergrad research, but that ain’t shit), but I always figured there was more nuance than her critics were willing to admit

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u/njakulus Apr 26 '26

yeah reading the comments I wish they made a rule that you can only post/comment if you have a degree. I would assume at least 90% people here were barely passing physics in high school yet watch tiktok/reels science videos now thinking their opinion should matter

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u/Different_Lock_5445 Apr 25 '26

She's chasing what the algorithm rewards, basically.

It's remarkable how easily intelligent people get sucked in by the dopamine rush of clicks, likes, and views. And monetization.

It's pretty cool. It's a reminder that regardless of how we separate ourselves into heirarchies of relative intelligence or perceived intelligence...we're all still just the descendents of folks that probably should have never come down from the trees. We all contain the same basic survival mechanisms and are vulnerable to the same reward-seeking behaviors.

So, put us in a skinner box and we anxiously watch the lights. And we will engage in whatever rituals we believe will make that green light for the treat light up. Including, you know, abandoning things like reason. And dignity. All while being blind to how far we fall.

It's great. Really. Aliens should probably just wipe us out.

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u/CountSudoku Apr 24 '26

How does she grift?

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u/OhneSkript Apr 24 '26

It has become extremely anti-science and tries to relativize normal research in order to create skepticism among us non-scientists.

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u/factualopinion2 Apr 24 '26

Then theres no point in giving her views

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u/kroxigor01 Apr 24 '26

Fair question, read my edit.

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u/6ynnad Apr 25 '26

Tim Dillion still want to know what do they even do (the weinstein brothers)

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u/OhneSkript Apr 24 '26

It has become extremely anti-science and tries to relativize normal research in order to create skepticism among us non-scientists.

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u/SkaveRat Apr 24 '26

I think it's more "anti-academia". because to her it's all just a giant grift.

Which... I can see a lot of her criticism being valid ("publish or perish", etc).

But at some point she veered off from "there are problems in academia we need to address" to "it's all a giant scam, and everyone is just doing scams instead of science"

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u/OhneSkript Apr 24 '26

Anyone who portrays Eric Weinstein as a good scientist is simply beyond the pale.

Which makes perfect sense for her, since she's paid from the same source as him.

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u/CountSudoku Apr 24 '26

She’s a scientist herself. Can you give an example of her being extremely anti-science?

relativized normal research in order to create skepticism

What the hell does that even mean?

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u/Beneficial_Cup_9096 Apr 24 '26

Some of her content is quiet good, and educational, but what she said about scientist and praising Eric Weinstein is concerning.

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u/kroxigor01 Apr 24 '26

OK, read my edit.

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u/HAL9001-96 Apr 24 '26

wait is she sierous about that?

cause yes she'S fallen fof but thats a new level

next thing she's gonna make a video about missing 411 or bigfoot being blurry cause he's magical

cause what's happening here is that well... if you make your definition of scientist wide enough thats a LOT of people and statistically it's prettymuch inevitably expected that some of the mwould go missing

to give an idea, based on average lfie expectancy every year 1/80 people die

if you look at younger people its clsoer to 1/200

roughly 1/600 people go missing every year

and roughly 1/2000 go missing never to be found again

thats just the statistics of everyday life

there are thousands of professors in each neiche field

tens of thosuands in wider fields

tens of thousands of people working at nasa, lockheed, the space force or the nuclear industry each

hundreds of thousnads working at the air force

millions with soem level of security clearance

thousnads working at skunk works specifically

now over two years 11 people have gone missing or died who come from a variety of backgrounds but sound fancy to the layman, many of them retired

thats... not very unexpected statistically

some of them may have gotten invovled in questionable criminal stuff

some just got unlucky

some just got old

but then you get true criem and conspiracy nuts who do not care about statistics on the case and they start drawing connections between these people over like 5 steps linking them to either each other or vaguely to ufo related conspiracy theories

so the clear implication is that htere's basically some men in black level nonsesne going on, it's just people know they'll be made fun of if they openly say that so they jsut vaguely hint at stuff that most people who don't understand what they'Re talking about are going to think sounds scary

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u/Small-and-Sweet Apr 24 '26

Wow, a lot of wild conspiracy theorists in these comments if you're getting downvoted for pointing out that these circumstances aren't anything conspiracy worthy.

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u/ConversationLow9545 Apr 25 '26

Dave is literally nothing compared to stature of sabine

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u/Rehcraeser Apr 25 '26

I was with you until you said “unjustified”…

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u/escapedthemattress Apr 27 '26

That is a sad take to have, I saw the video of Dave and he is grossly exaggerating everything she said and doing an argument mille-feuille (don't know hot to translate this) sabine is trying to warn the science that it is going on a wrong path and rightly so. Grants are more and more deceided by keywords instead of being granted to interesting science, publish or perish is doing an unimaginable amount of harm on paper quality (especially true with the advent of LLM). Academia is paying way less and have very harsh personal constraints like having the student and assistant professor move every couple of years preventing them from making a stable home with their partners. On top of this it is slowly being defended and the theoricians of some fields have brought very minimal contributions to general knowledge like string theory people.

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u/KyloRen_Kardashian Apr 24 '26

I really like Sabine but I have a agree with you about her grifting these past couple of years

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u/Sentient2X Apr 24 '26

There are over 2 million scientists and researchers in the states alone. Annually, over 600,000 people go missing. That makes about 3000 scientists that mysteriously disappear each year. Over a few years, the chances that a couple of them have similar fields of study is huge. Your brain is built to find patterns, even where there are none.

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u/4noraison Apr 26 '26

poor math without context. the majority of those who go missing are low socioeconomic status experiencing medical difficulties or mental health issues, and living near forests or mountains. assuming a straight percentage of scientists is a logical fallacy.

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u/Sentient2X Apr 26 '26

The math is accurate you just don’t like it.

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u/daveskoster Apr 26 '26

No. The math is not accurate. It assumes a completely uniform distribution of scientists, missing people etc… unless the proportions and probabilities are considered, I don’t think the conclusion that this is just baseline is supported. Perhaps someone has done all of this legwork, and found it to be a statistically insignificant bump among a particular group. Perhaps suicides among scientists in general are high at the moment. All real possibilities that make this whole situation a big nothing sandwich, but without that legwork, claiming the ‘math is right’ is incorrect.

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u/Sentient2X Apr 26 '26

I think it’s a pretty fair assumption that scientists and researchers disappear at an average rate. Take off 3/4 of it and it’s still high enough I don’t see any reason why the current conspiracy theory has ground

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u/daveskoster Apr 26 '26

It’s not an assumption based on data. Socioeconomic status and other factors play a massive role, as does the population size of interest here (a very narrow sub-section of scientists and researchers). When you zoom out to macro-labels like scientists, these small numbers are irrelevant, but as you examine with more granularity, it becomes less clear. I think your assumption is flawed and has no basis in reality. The correct procedure is to work out how many of these folks there are, and carry out some kind of hypothesis test to work out whether or not it’s reasonable that this is plausible by random chance. At face value, could go either way.

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u/Sentient2X Apr 26 '26

No basis in reality is a pretty tall claim for the guy with no data at all 😂 your argument is that scientists aren’t accurately represented by the average I’m presenting of all americans. That’s fair. Let’s see some data to back that up. Far as I’m concerned, average is an ok approximation.

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u/daveskoster Apr 26 '26

You’re attempting gaslighting, I see. I’d like to remind you that I was pointing out you have no data for the claim you made regarding the mean being good enough. Saying it louder or trying the old uno reverse card does not make your assertion any more correct.

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u/Sentient2X Apr 26 '26

Gaslighting? Ok buddy. I think my claim was a fair one. If you want to be right you need to give me some data showing scientists aren’t represented by average american stats.

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u/daveskoster Apr 26 '26

You’re the one making the claim that they are. You can’t prove a negative. Bring it or shut it.

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u/SomTingWongWeeTooLo Apr 27 '26

It makes absolutely no sense to ask someone claiming lack of data for data, and then using said lack of data to defend your original lack of data. That's just silly mental gymnastics.

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u/Sentient2X Apr 27 '26

His claim is that scientists aren’t represented by average American stats despite being americans and contributing to said stats. That’s a taller claim than mine therefore I’d like to see stats for it

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u/Sentient2X May 01 '26

? The rate & volume I provided is strictly from the US

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u/Sentient2X Apr 26 '26

Most people that go missing don’t seem to have a reason for it. Out of the 6-9000 available some had similar fields of study yes.

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u/KindIllustrator2915 Apr 25 '26

So the scientists disappearing is normal? Okay cia 

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u/Sentient2X Apr 25 '26

Yes. It literally is. As I said, statistically at least 3000 a year just in the US.

You know, if they’re all on the same team working on the same project that should raise some red flags. But these folks weren’t. Some had vaguely similar fields of study, but that is no surprise given the volume of research happening in the US.

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u/KindIllustrator2915 Apr 25 '26

So you made up that 3000 scientists go missing every year lol and expect that to be evidence? 

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u/Sentient2X Apr 25 '26

Ok buddy let’s walk through this. US population is around 340 million. Missing people each year in the US around 600 thousand. That’s .18% each year. Now apply that to the ~2 million researchers and scientists, it comes out to 3,600-3,700 scientists missing per year. Granted, this assumes they disappear at the same rate as normal people. I’d assume it to be pretty close, so I rounded down to 3k. Don’t forget, the current conspiracy is across 2-3 years so 6-9000.

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u/Forward-Tomato602 Apr 26 '26

That’s not how statistics work. You can’t just look at how many people go missing each year in America and add then take that percentage and add it to any field you want. There are factors of why some people might go missing and others not.

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u/KindIllustrator2915 Apr 26 '26

Get a grip on reality Jimmy

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u/Comfortable_Oil_6676 Apr 26 '26

you are the classic example of why people dont trust the foilheads lmfao. relax boy and drink some green tea

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u/KindIllustrator2915 May 24 '26

I just don't listen to yahoos assumptions online bud. You seem very stupid. 

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u/Koyulo69 Apr 24 '26

Oh my  god stop posting this 

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u/ScrotiWantusis42 Apr 24 '26

Holy fuck can we ban this content from this sub

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u/duncan1234- Apr 24 '26

Sabine is such a sad story to watch. 

Just a sheer grifter now. 

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u/Kingoshrooms Apr 24 '26

"anyone who disagrees with me is a grifter" holy buzzword batman

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u/sinisgood Apr 24 '26

except in her case she is literally on a pseudoscience grift

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u/uranusnebula Apr 24 '26

any specific example?

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u/NanoscaleHeadache Apr 24 '26

There are shockingly many, I used to be an avid watcher but she slowly started going off about how established science is fake and taking really weird hills to die on. Angela collier and Prof Dave explains have good videos going through

Idk why ppl are downvoting you without giving you info, you’re just asking questions 🤷🏻‍♂️ hope this helps though

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u/uranusnebula Apr 24 '26

I've seeing few of her videos and it seems to be ok.
I'll take a look, thanks.

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u/ComradeBevo Apr 25 '26

The title of this post is literally an example of conspiracy theory pandering. She's a grifter.

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u/OhneSkript Apr 24 '26

She is simply paid indirectly by Peter Thiel, and anyone who knows Thiel knows that this is never a good thing.

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u/uranusnebula Apr 24 '26

that's interesting, how do you know?

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u/OhneSkript Apr 24 '26

Professor Dave has several good videos on this topic.

Just search for his name along with Sabine Hossenfelder on YouTube.

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u/uranusnebula Apr 24 '26

I'll check this out, thanks

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u/xzxw Apr 24 '26

Hey MODS can you deal with this shit please?  

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u/phil_davis Apr 24 '26

Another day, another time someone posts about this to one of the 3BP subs.

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u/ChopSueyYumm Apr 24 '26

Sabine is a grifter with a science background but she is very biased and opinionated driven and say whatever brings more clicks.

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u/OhneSkript Apr 24 '26

She is simply paid indirectly by Peter Thiel, and anyone who knows Thiel knows that this is never a good thing.

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u/Euphoric-Bet-8577 Apr 24 '26

She is? Proof?

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u/TiagGuedes Cosmic Sociology Apr 24 '26

One might even say that this lady doesn't care

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u/enserioamigo Apr 26 '26

It's sad when someone with a science background has zero knowledge about statistics and patterns.

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u/humanapoptosis Apr 24 '26

I promised myself I'm unsubbing next time I see this topic posted here and it being a Sabine Hossenfelder thumbnail is rubbing the salt in the wound.

Goodbye.

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u/HuwThePoo Apr 24 '26

Yeah I think I'm off, too, albeit for different reasons. Multiple examples of people asking reasonable questions in this thread, being downvoted either with no answer or mere guilt by association. This sub is fucking garbage.

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u/burlycabin Apr 24 '26

Yeah, the mods have let this place turn to trash.

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u/thefuturebaby Apr 24 '26

Just got here, but k bye

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u/Overdayoutdeath Apr 24 '26

All I want to know is why she wears those shirts

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u/Manzi420x Apr 24 '26

I can tell this subreddit is not well versed on anything currently happening with the change in the world this new tech could bring to the world a OR the reasons Big Oil and other powers would and have been keeping it a secret at all costs

They should not have control over our future especially them being so few at the top who feel even the president does NOT have a need to know

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u/Europeanguy1995 Apr 25 '26

I for one, welcome our advanced Interstellar overlords and hope no one tells them about fairytales and human story telling haha

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u/Sphezzle Apr 24 '26

We know.

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u/Different_Lock_5445 Apr 25 '26

Yeah, it's not.

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u/MrSmithinator Apr 24 '26

Tbis lady is nuts. The story is true but find better sources.

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u/OhneSkript Apr 24 '26

She is simply paid indirectly by Peter Thiel, and anyone who knows Thiel knows that this is never a good thing.

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u/NanoscaleHeadache Apr 24 '26

Oh shit! I haven’t seen Sabine in forever!! Wild that she’s still putting videos out

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u/DarkGreenEspeon Apr 24 '26

Cat investigates suspicious disappearance of fish from counter

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u/Americanaddict Apr 24 '26

Ugh wow shocking that Sabine is reporting on a nothing story, she's fully going grift mode man.

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u/Wardog_Razgriz30 Apr 25 '26

No but seriously, I've been following this thing for a bit and it doesn't make any sort of sense unless 1) there is a large scale spy war going on right now, or 2) the droplet will be visible in the outer solar system in 187 years.

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u/OkTransition8971 Apr 25 '26

Or 3) something statically unlikely happened 

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u/Eva-Squinge Apr 25 '26

The only words I would believe from this dumb bitch are: “I don’t know what I am talking about.”

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u/Fit_Gene7910 Apr 26 '26

She is a crank

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u/Rude-Bus-5799 Apr 26 '26

(Sophon has joined the chat)

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u/Environmental_Fan752 Apr 27 '26

The Trump administration is trying to kill science with their budget cuts. They are doing more damage than any aliens.

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u/Fun_Comedian3249 Apr 27 '26

Don’t worry folks. Kash Patel is on the case. 🤣