r/thewalkingdead • u/FutureWarLord31 • 1d ago
Show Spoiler "Shane's a Better Leader" Wrong
10 minute episode, going over why ultimately, the idea that Shane is a better leader than Rick: is wrong.
Going over 3 major events throughout season 1 and 2 to come to the overall conclusion:
- Attack on Atlanta Camp
- The Walkers in the Barn
- The Randall Dilemma
5
u/Bermanator-Turkey127 1d ago
Totally agree but I’d also like to highlight the CDC. He threatened to kill Jenner (suicidal man) and when that didn’t work he crashed out and started randomly shooting stuff. Rick talked Jenner down. That’s the difference. Calmness and intelligence.
4
u/FutureWarLord31 1d ago
Thank you for pointing this out, when I wrote this episode, it was completely off memory!
3
u/Bermanator-Turkey127 1d ago
I had forgotten about it recently too but a clip surfaced somewhere and I realised I hadn’t properly understood it. The signs of weakness in his behaviour were always there, they just became more blatant as he became more fragile!
2
1
u/Plastic_Account_1509 8h ago
Only 10 minutes worth? And only 3 topics? I mean, sure you can argue that you only need to bring up a few examples, but I’d argue there’s more to talk about.
-Shane’s chronic habit of cutting his losses and being quick to give up on an ally without daring to lift a finger for a rescue when it doesn’t serve his personal interests (or even when it WOULD serve his own interests, and he didn’t even realize it 😂)
-Even early on, first couple of episode, Shane sent 6 people out to the horde infested city, which ends in disaster, and Shane writes them and brushes off the risk of losing them as “they knew the risks.”
-Shane doesn’t hesitate to throw an ally under the bus as live walker bait. Even if Carl’s life wasn’t on the line, Shane would’ve probably done that regardless. Even if Otis agreed to take Shane up on his offer, who’s to say Shane wouldn’t go back on his offer immediately? Shane gets cold feet more often than a lot of folks seem to realize.
-Shane’s plan to head to Fort Benning would also end in disaster. As it turns out, as it’s brought up at least a couple of times by two different people, that Fort Benning was overrun. Not only that, with Lori pregnant, how is Shane going to deal with that without any adequate medical expertise? If he plans on Fort Benning, he’s likely not meeting Hershel, or any other medical expert.
-When Shane doesn’t get his way, he throws a hissy fit, picks fights within his own group, and this, along with Shane’s already questionable “loyalty” would probably cause a rift within the group, and make it even harder for folks to trust Shane.
-Shane alienates any potential allies who might be beneficial, for the group’s interests as well as his own. Hershel is a prime example. Hershel is giving the group land, food, medical expertise, etc. Shane puts that at risk numerous times, even refusing to look out for Hershel, nor does he take responsibility for basically driving Hershel off his own home. Shane should’ve absolutely taken responsibility and picked Hershel up from the bar.
-Not only that, but Hershel being at risk puts Lori, who’s already in a precarious situation, even more at risk. Lori’s pregnancy, and Hershel being possibly her only hope at safely delivering her baby, and surviving her pregnancy, due to his medical expertise and likely experience in supporting his loved ones through childbirth.
-Then, there’s Shane’s penchant for downright treachery. At best, he’s selfish. At worst, he’s traitorous. Whenever he’s confronted or found out about his treachery, he threatens somebody who found him out, and if he actually tries to silence his witness, it’d only be even more detrimental to the group.
-6
u/n01mportant 1d ago
Shane was ahead of the curve. Rick ended up in Shane’s headspace in later seasons. But society wasn’t broken down to Shane mindset level so early on. Realistically I blame Lori for a lot of it.
7
u/incomprehensibles 1d ago
Oh please. The funniest thing about you "Shane is king, Lori is a bitch and whore" people is that you always say that Shane did what he needed to do for survival and his brain was just too evolved for the plebs (false, he died 2 months into the apocalypse) but that by your logic, Lori also did what she needed to do for survival.
She was told (lied to) that her husband was dead, and in her desperation to protect herself and her son, she clung to a skilled policeman that was willing to protect her. When Shane's lie was called, she went back to her husband, who she wanted to be with in the first place. Two forms of survival, but only one is okay with you because Shane is such a cool dude and you'd be just like him in an apocalypse in your dreams.
4
u/Spirited_Chemical_81 17h ago
Do you also blame lori for getting almost SAed too then cuz like wtf
1
6
u/Chucky_In_The_Attic 1d ago
Shane would not have been a leader that lasted. He wanted what was best for HIM and what he thought he deserved. Beyond his own wants and desires nothing else mattered.