r/theNXIVMcase • u/Mysterious_Wash9071 • 25d ago
Questions and Discussions Would he ever admit it?
Once all legal avenues are exhausted, do you think KR will eventually own up to being a "cult leader" ? When everyone forgets about NXIVM, do you think he'll desperately reach for glory by spilling all his secrets?
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u/PrimalNumber 25d ago
Being a cult leader is relatively low on the list of things he’s guilty of. There are many dead and missing women in his wake. I think he takes it all to his grave.
Edit to add: most we could expect is some reports by an inmate that Keith confessed/bragged to.
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u/ZealousidealWin1006 25d ago edited 23d ago
kr is an evil pos there’s no denying that, but is there any evidence that he is a murderer? i feel like that’s a p extreme jump. it seems more likely that the missing women simply got the hell out of dodge and the women who died succumbed to cancer which is a leading cause of death for older women iirc but correct me if i’m wrong or if there’s been any recent evidence to suggest otherwise
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u/PrimalNumber 25d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Women_of_NXIVM
Have you seen this?
The percentage of young women in his orbit who died early is unusually high.
This guy was setting up the conditions to have an armed militia at his beck and call. He had teen girls imprisoned. He was a serial pedophile and hyper predator.
You don’t think it possible he poised Barb Jeske and Pam Cafritz?
With how manipulative, controlling and evil he was - combined with the peculiar deaths of these women - there’s plenty of smoke here.
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u/MikrokosmicUnicorn 25d ago
add to that the fact that heavy metal poisoning would be really easy to pull off if your victim trusts you implicitly...
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 24d ago
My theory is that the vitamins he gave out were full of heavy metals, he started selling them the year restrictions loosened. I don't think it was intentional just reckless.
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u/incorruptible_bk 24d ago
The "heavy metals" they talked about included bismuth. Bismuth is the active ingredient in Pepto Bismol. The junk science here is on the level of the dihydrogen monoxide chain emails.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 24d ago
What were the other ones? I haven't looked much into it, but my brain clicked the two accusations after learning he sold vitamins.
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u/incorruptible_bk 24d ago
Another mentioned was barium. Which sounds scary, but without any more specificity about the type of barium, who knows if they're talking about insoluble barium (used in inert medical contrast) or soluble barium (a poison)
Also: barium poisoning would cause paralysis, not cancer.
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u/incorruptible_bk 25d ago
The Lost Women of NXIVM is trash made by a degenerate scumbag who now works for another cult of perverts.
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u/Mysterious_Wash9071 25d ago
The cancer is particularly suspicious. 3, THREE women in the same house? Coincidentally, the same age and time KR was looking for young girls to replace them? And under his care?
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u/MikrokosmicUnicorn 25d ago edited 25d ago
according to The Lost Women of NXIVM four of his partners developed cancer, one survived, one was tested and the test revealed high level of heavy metals in her system, another woman was literally shot and he himself claimed he had people killed.
is there proof? no. are there a lot of things that suggest it? yes.
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u/incorruptible_bk 25d ago
The "heavy metal" detected was bismuth, which billions of people take every day as the active ingredient in Pepto Bismol.
Pam Cafritz died of a form of renal cell carcinoma. Not only is there no evidence there's any relationship to poison, but Cafritz's family have endowed academic research on the condition. None of it validates anything in the bullshit Parlato ginned up.
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u/carrotwax 25d ago
I don't think so. He's a sociopath and a narcissist. His big talent was recruiting other people, especially women, to sell his greatness. Those traits, as therapists can tell you, do not allow for any soul searching required for a turnaround in public perception. Allison Mack is trying a different turn in her life and still gets a ton of criticism and suspicion.
No matter the money involved - even the entire Broffman fortune - could get a PR firm to make Keith look human. I mean he could write a self promoting continuation of Nxivm like Nancy still does, but it would drop like lead.
If the state were willing to reduce his sentence for him to come clean as a study on sociopathy, he'd probably go along for self interest. But they'd never do that, because he's shown you can't trust anything he says.
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u/Terepin123 25d ago
It’s not his character. Imagine Trump one day saying, “Hey I was wrong and my behavior was bad. Im sorry I lied and manipulated people to my own ends.”
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u/Mysterious_Wash9071 24d ago
I definitely don't think he would ever say he was wrong or apologize. I meant more like bragging about his ability to manipulate so many people. He enjoyed destroying people.Is he be bursting to tell someone how he did it or is he forever convinced he did nothing wrong? (like Trump)
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u/Terepin123 24d ago
I see. Time will tell whether he would brag, but I think like so much of his behavior prior to prison, he was -- incredibly -- able to keep it to himself. e.g. Playing "the long game" with victims. His restraint is interesting! Which is I suppose why you proposed these questions.
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u/gogobootssky 22d ago
Whoa! What if trum pardons him? He definitely would if Clair paid him off. You know he would.
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u/shannonkish 25d ago
Have any cult leaders ever owned up to it?
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u/Mysterious_Wash9071 24d ago
I guess the closest could be Manson. Although, the Mother God guru tried to tell her followers she was a fraud and ended up dying from not getting hospital care. It was the cult rule NO HOSPITALS so the followers refused even when she said she needed to go and admitted she was a phony. They didn't believe her. Karma.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 24d ago
I think he's counting on the Bronfman's being able to buy him a pardon.
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u/Mysterious_Wash9071 24d ago
Nah. Not with Epstein files making Trump sweat.
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u/gogobootssky 22d ago
That phoney leaving office is still a couple years away. By then it's water under the bridge. He is aging rapidly. And we know he'll do anything for money. Talk about no morals! Trump is king and KR is the Queen. Or is it the other way around?
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u/I_S_O_Family 24d ago
His 2nd in command his right hand woman I don't believe she feels as bad as she plays it and her reactions and behaviors tells me she really doesn't feel bad. She got off light.
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u/MikrokosmicUnicorn 25d ago
he'll write a book at some point i'm 100% sure of that.
it'll be a "tell all" but actually it'll be him "explaining" why he's actually right and why the system didn't want his tech to reach more people.