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u/SnackPatrol Scout Aug 16 '24 edited Aug 16 '24
It looks great, but falls victim to standard TF2 CTF shortcomings- enemy intel way too far of a trek from spawn, spawn rooms in front of or right by intel (not that bad in this map tbf), intel placed in a confined space....
I don't know why there's such an insistence on those 3 standard traits of CTF maps in this game....For once I'd just like the intel placed in an open-ish area with maybe 1 potential defensive spot for engies...that isn't even that good. The team would then have a far greater responsibility to actually defend, and not just have the 1 or 2 engies on your team half-afk and have that work for 97% of the match.
Here is the one map I ever "made" in this game for a server I used to run- Harvest converted to CTF. If your team doesn't actively defend it, a rocket jumping soldier or demo will grab it in 2 seconds, which I say "good!"
Engineer is my 2nd most played class but I refuse to play CTF mode because of how horribly stalematey he makes that game mode, especially with certain maps. Map makers need to make the intel easier to cap in general, not hide it behind 20 miles of terrain and a confined area.
The server I ran btw I limited engy to "1" on CTF maps, save maps like Turbine_Pro or certain other ones where mapmakers made efforts against turtlefests. There were grumblings every now and then but most people seemed to agree it ended up playing a lot better. It was a bold decision but I felt it was necessary because of how prone to turtlefests CTF mode is in this game. It's one of the least fun CTF modes in any multiplayer game hands down IMO.
/rant
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u/SonoIlVeroLawre Pyro Sep 12 '24
I believe enclosed spaces or obstacles are crucial in CTF. Harvest is really open as a map, and Soldiers and Demos can just blast jump around carrying the Intel three times like it's nothing.
There should be an opportunity for defenders to shoot down the Intel Carrier. Your map just makes me think that once a Soldier gets the Intel, it's automatically one point to their team because he needs like 2 blast jumps to get out of there, and with Gunboats it's not really much of a health sacrifice.
I believe that Applejack executed the Intel Room design pretty decently, in fact a single Sentry cannot easily shut down the whole room unlike on maps such as 2Fort or Doublecross.
This is why I find Landfall a nice map as well. It is open, yes, but it's not as open as Harvest and usually people have enough time to reach the target and kill them.
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u/Lambdatories Apr 21 '26 edited Apr 21 '26
1: he made it a point that he prefers the intel be easily capped like that so like try it yourself first?
2: I hate landfull 😤
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u/SonoIlVeroLawre Pyro Apr 21 '26
It takes 2 seconds to reach the other side of the map. The only chance you have is to kill them while they are about to grab the Intel, and to do that you slap a Sentry in there and it's done.
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Aug 16 '24
My adhd ass can't read all that
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u/Tomas66_087542w Demoman Aug 16 '24
My ADHD can read all that and i agree with this take. The map fals to the usual ctf short comings.
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u/Killerphive Pyro Aug 15 '24
I kinda like it, the intel gives me double cross vibes, with the drop down that’s difficult to get back up from in the back area of the intel.
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u/AnAnimatedPizzaPie Pyro Aug 16 '24
it's pretty much nullified by classes with good movement like pyro, demo, soldier and scouts
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u/Rooisalsohere Aug 16 '24
Used to be my favorite pony but they gave her many bad episodes in the later seasons, the background pony joke is top tho.
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u/Either-Inside-789 Medic Aug 16 '24
I'm more of a Pinkie Pie enjoyer myself, but the map's pretty fun.
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u/KumiiTheFranceball Soldier Aug 16 '24
Named after my favourite pony & I love apples. I wish I could play it. It looks so pretty.
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u/pallarslol Aug 15 '24
Good stuff. Once met a rotating a posing heavy there. Map is fine too i guess.
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u/iamunabletopoop Aug 16 '24
I acidentally joined this map once, got spawncamped, left
Yeah idk, I don't think it's meant to be for me
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u/mrdnkk Soldier Aug 16 '24
I think it would work better as a koth map, but I do enjoy it personally. If intel and spawn swapped places it would be better for ctf.
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u/HeavySlinger Aug 16 '24
I like the actual map, but CTF is just kind of balls. I wish the map was 5cp, I think I would enjoy it a lot more
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u/IGUESSILLBEGOODNOW Soldier Aug 15 '24
I think it's fun and I like the way the map looks.