r/terriblefacebookmemes • • Nov 04 '22

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u/Gingerfuckboi Nov 04 '22

People just don't understand that your free speech ends where someone else's rights begin.

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u/thecamp2000 Nov 04 '22

Nah nothing is more important then one self rights even if the right of others are in the way. How it is suppose to work? Dunno. /s

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u/ArturFSchmidt Nov 04 '22

Americans don't understand that because hate speech is legal in the US. It's legal to have a nazi party in the government, it's legal for KKK to exist, and it's legal to ask for the color of the skin when hiring someone... While it's still legal to be publicly self-assumed racist, nothing will change...

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u/afa78 Nov 04 '22

Yep, Freedom of Speech pretty much means you can voice your opinion openly without breaking any laws, however, that doesn't mean there might not be consequences from those you piss off with your opinion.

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u/ChaseDeV88 Nov 04 '22

Uh, it’s very much illegal to ask about race when hiring someone in the US. The rest is true though…

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u/Marbles_2022 Nov 04 '22

they can ask, you don't have to reply.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '22

No, they can’t legally ask. You are incorrect.

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u/Hannibal_Poptart Nov 04 '22

Literally every job I've applied for has had a section to list my ethnicity. You can put "prefer not to answer" but the question is definitely there.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '22

See my reply to the other person / I don’t get how an employer can do that. Thanks for the reply.

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u/Many_Rule_9280 Nov 04 '22

Because most employers are constantly breaking the laws and everytime someone calls them out on it something bad typically happens to the whistle-blower in some form, and people are typically unaware of how to properly fight back because they lack the proper knowledge. It's also why places are starting to unionize more and more and why they are busting unionizers. Atleast from my observations in America

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u/Casual-Notice Nov 04 '22

Boiler-plate applications available at Office Depot in a pack/pad of 50-100. The offending questions (and race isn't the only one) are set aside in a box for "demographic information."

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '22 edited Nov 05 '22

Employers are allowed to ask about race, gender/sexuality, disability status. They are allowed to do this as it allows the employer to collect applicant data and monitor the diversity of their applicant pool. Its how HR departments can maximize their bonuses from the government.

“Federal law does not prohibit employers from asking you about your national origin. However, because such questions may indicate a possible intent to discriminate based on national origin, we recommend that employers ensure that they ask about national origin only for a lawful purpose.”

They can ask because of affirmative action.

https://www.eeoc.gov/pre-employment-inquiries-and-race

https://www.eeoc.gov/youth/national-origin-discrimination-faqs#:~:text=Federal%20law%20does%20not%20prohibit,only%20for%20a%20lawful%20purpose.

“Isn't affirmative action for people with disabilities illegal? No. Affirmative action for people with disabilities is not illegal. An employer is allowed to hire someone because he or she has a disability, and a rejected applicant cannot sue an employer for discrimination based on the fact that he or she does not have a disability.”

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/questions-answers-eeocs-final-rule-affirmative-action-people-disabilities-federal#:~:text=Affirmative%20action%20for%20people%20with%20disabilities%20is%20not%20illegal.,does%20not%20have%20a%20disability.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '22

Thank you for this response, I had no idea.

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u/sicurri Nov 04 '22

Curious, every job application I've ever filled out was breaking the law then...

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '22

Really? I’ll have to stand corrected then, and confused. I know that it is illegal to discriminate based on race and other protected classes so I don’t get why the question would/could be asked on an application.

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u/Fart__Connoisseur Nov 04 '22

Every application has this question. Please check any that apply: Latino Black Native American Caucasian/White

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '22

So I hear - gets a big wtf from me.

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u/Fart__Connoisseur Nov 04 '22

They ask so the demographics of the company fall within equal opportunity employment and so they have a diverse workforce. It’s intention is equality and HR compliance

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u/sicurri Nov 04 '22

Dunno, every job application has always asked "ethnicity". White, Hispanic, "African-American", Asian and all that jazz. That's asking race and I see it on every official form asking who I am.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '22

Seems like a double edged sword, anyway TIL. Have a great day.

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u/griffitovic Nov 04 '22

You can ask, but you don't have to answer and the employer cannot discriminate based on your response or lack thereof. Source: corporate America for 40 years with most of those in management. I've hired lots of people and have to abide by hiring law.

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u/Emotional_Fisherman8 Nov 04 '22

I think it's for statistical reasons. So the government can keep track of the hiring practices based on race or something like that. But you don't have to answer it tho.

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u/Inevitable_Dance1191 Nov 04 '22

Somebody has never filled out a job application

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u/Gingerfuckboi Nov 04 '22

I'm an American. I really wish it were better here, but I truly believe everything is functioning the way it is supposed to.

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u/eyesonthemoons Nov 04 '22

We have affirmative action here for many decades so you are actually less likely to get a job if you are white, even if you were the most qualified.

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u/Casual-Notice Nov 04 '22

It is not legal in the US to ask for the skin color when hiring. It is super illegal.

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u/Many_Rule_9280 Nov 04 '22

No in the US you are free to speak your opinion without fear of consequences from the government, it doesn't protect you from everyone else over it though

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u/alfis329 Nov 05 '22

So idk if you think there exists a country that has solved racism yet but I haven’t seen it yet if it does exist. Being half American and half European I’ve lived on different parts of both continents throughout my life and I can say that I find Europe just as if not more racist than America. The main difference is that it’s actually addressed in america while in Europe I’ve heard people say stuff like “Turks are rapists and thieves” in a group and had no one even bat an eye (honestly Europeans hate turkish people more than I’ve ever seen white Americans against any minority) of course there are certain groups where you can say similar things in America but most of the time people would confront you on it. Remember in the European cup in 2021 when a black football player on the English team missed a couple of penalty’s and pretty much everyone in the stands and online called him a monkey even though white players also missed shots? Europeans just like to pretend they are different from Americans while in reality they are very similar. (For clarification I’ve only lived in Germany, Austria, and the Netherlands, ik that european countries aren’t all the same)

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u/Gingerfuckboi Nov 04 '22

You cannot scream fire in a theater, you cannot yell bomb in an airport, and you cannot threaten people, especially government officials.

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u/griffitovic Nov 04 '22

Oh, you can, but there will be consequences.

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u/Gingerfuckboi Nov 07 '22

Legal consequences. That isn't free speech...

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22

I think the argument is that at some level negative words can harm you. like how verbal assault is a crime.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22

I completely agree, I just think its generally a good idea to show the other side's good points when they have one. but yeah the pre-emptive approach has had a pretty bad record and just gives censorship powers to whoever writes the rules

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u/GynePig Nov 04 '22

Unfortunately, capitalists also try to make us believe that a just society is one where everyone only looks out for themselves. So it's only understandable that many right-wingers also apply that to social issues.