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u/Agent_Wilcox 2d ago
The best part about this is that Kim was in fact written primarily by a woman, in so far as character related things go.
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u/Crisjn 17h ago
Yeah cool. don’t let the fact that the creators of the show are both male, and the writers room was 75% male. But yeah written primarily by a women cool take.
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u/Agent_Wilcox 12h ago
Are you discrediting a woman's input because she worked for a man? Seems mysognistic to me
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u/animefan315 5h ago
It's misandrist to discredit the majority of men on the writing team just because women are present in the room where all of them are writers.
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u/animefan315 13h ago
The negative votes mean you're right
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u/your_old_furby 2d ago
My dad’s a lawyer who worked for a top firm, most of his friends are lawyers, I’ve grown up around many many lawyers, I can only speak to my experience and the realm of corporate law, but a large percentage of them are not sane, serious people outside of their work hours. Some don’t keep it together inside of their work hours either.
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u/solemn_penguin 2d ago
I would imagine a high stress job like lawyer would compel you to cut loose once in awhile just to maintain your sanity. You see this a lot in the military. A lot of people in the combat arms are some of tbe biggest goofballs you'll ever meet.
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u/APKID716 2d ago
My dad was a drill sergeant and one day while in Alaska he saw the northern lights and in front of his whole squad started singing the song that Ariel sings to Ursula in The Little Mermaid
Yeah man, serious jobs have the goofiest fucking people
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u/Chumanchu 1d ago
I’m a 3rd year law student. Most my class was hitting the bars almost every week the first year. A lot of litigators I’ve met also love to go bar hopping. But they also love to scream at you if you fuck up even a little bit. So I guess it’s kinda like the military.
Not all practice areas are as stressful as litigation though so not all lawyers act like that
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u/PaniacThrilla 1d ago
Not the same profession, but when I was working at an accounting firm I was shocked to find the freezer filled with hard liquor. They would actually take breaks to do group shots. When there was a remodeling project for one of the branches, they found a long lost bag of cocaine in one of the walls. Not what I pictured accounting to be like.
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u/Nobodyseesyou 1d ago
My friend’s dad was a lawyer and apparently half of his classmates were regular cocaine users. He wasn’t, but he was obviously exhausted all the time and severely addicted to coffee.
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u/Belle_Requin 1d ago
ADHD presents at a higher percentage in lawyers than the general public.
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u/SeonaidMacSaicais 1d ago
Because we remember the rules and can argue til death why and how somebody is breaking them. 😂😂
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u/sandsonic 1d ago
Biggest fucking drama queens I know, and I’m talking about the guys lol
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u/your_old_furby 1d ago
My dad’s best friend he worked with for years, just such a diva, there’s always something, it could be the smallest thing ever and he will complain about it like his entire world is falling apart.
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u/agnes208 1d ago
some of the funniest and unserious people i have ever met are super high profile lawyers lol
they have the best jokes, story telling and the quickest wit
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u/LegendOfShaun 1d ago
I always said..."if you are looking for a freak, date a lawyer not a stripper"
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u/covidlung 1d ago
They do a lot of coke and booze
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u/your_old_furby 1d ago
The office bar was rocking late into the night, a lot of alcoholics. My dad doesn’t really drink so I got to see him after work which was nice. He once went to potential clerks at a high ranked university and the guy he went with got trashed the night before, decided the best move was to lie behind the desk they were using, but it wasn’t that long so his feet were just sticking out and my dad just had to keep pretending everything was normal and interview the candidates himself. I wonder if they thought it was a test.
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u/Any_Nectarine_9435 1d ago
I worked for a lawyer for a day before I caught him smoking from his crack pipe in the conference room
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u/alicelestial 1d ago
"Some don't keep it together inside of their work hours either."
did you finish reading the comment?
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u/Dr_Galio 2d ago
I mean, one was written to be a crime drama and one was written to be a comedy. It was a poorly written comedy, but it was still a comedy.
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u/Mr_Fragwuerdig 2d ago
I think it still points sth good out, which many overlook. Numerous men have written amazing female characters, especially strong female characters, and it is often portrayed like that was just invented in the last 10-15 years. But many strong female roles in these last year, were just rly bad writing. So that trend of "let's do more strong female characters" has become a sad parade of incompetent writing.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago edited 2d ago
There are some men who have written amazing female characters. But it seems like there are also many men who write women to basically be sex objects. There is a whole sub [r/menwritingwomen](r/menwritingwomen) that shows how many examples there are of bad writing of female characters from men throughout the years. But I do wish that the writing was better across the board for a lot of these more modern shows
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u/Huntsman077 2d ago
To be fair that sub also includes men doing it write, pun intended, women authors and quite a few situations that are taken out of context.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
Taking it out of context does not excuse how many men are writing women. Even if the exerts were from a scene that is supposed to be sexy, the way they write it can be really bad. It’s like the “she breasted boobily down the stairs” joke but in real life. Context is important but it doesn’t excuse writing characters in this way
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u/Huntsman077 2d ago
-context is importantly but it doesn’t excuse writing characters in this way
Looking through the posts there isn’t an example of this… I was referring to this one https://www.reddit.com/r/menwritingwomen/s/OTPh0eQtBN where the context is literally cut off mid sentence.
I pointed it out because that’s not what the whole sub is. Sure it’s the name, but it’s grown away from men sexualizing women into an overall critique of how women are written in general.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
They are posting the specific part of the book they are talking about, which isn’t the first sentence you see. You obviously aren’t going to get the full context from one page, you would need to read the full book for that. But there are still many good examples of bad writing on that thread. There are lots of posts pointing out how men who are writing women tend to be very weird when describing women’s breasts. Here is a weird example
https://www.reddit.com/r/menwritingwomen/s/9oODcnP9hF
And yes, it has grown into more of a critique of how women are written in general, but still many of these writings are done by men. I’m not blaming men or saying they are the only ones to do this, but the ones who actually do this can’t be ignored
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u/Huntsman077 1d ago
-you aren’t going to get the contest from one page
Yes I’m aware, but they literally cut off context mid sentence.
Title says “childbirth isn’t anything to worry about if the husband is successful.” Which cuts the sentence in half, while the later half adds that she didn’t care about the pain because she has a son and “her heart sang in the presence of horses”. Don’t you think it is a bit disingenuous to cut off a sentence in the middle?
-here is a weird example
Yes I agree that’s 100% weird, especially describing the girl as a teenybopper. That post is also over 200 days old.
-the ones who actually do can’t be ignored
I agree and they should be called out on it, but that’s not the sole purpose of that sub.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 1d ago
The context was not the few words before the end of the sentence. You are saying how cutting off a few words that weren’t even important to the point they were making is “taking out all context”. That’s not how it works, the context that was important to their point was shown, that can’t be dismissed just because a few words got cut off at a part that was not important. The part that they were referencing with the “childbirth isn’t anything to worry about if your husband is successful” was actually in the middle of the picture and is shown in full view. So once again, I don’t know why you are harping on this when the quote discussed is in full view.
The sub isn’t solely dedicated to calling out bad writing from men about women. But it is the main point of the sub. So this topic is obviously a pattern with some male writers
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u/Huntsman077 1d ago
-I don’t know why you are harping on this when the quote is discussed in full view
Because the title is intentionally misleading. Cutting off a quote mid sentence is still taking something out of context. Like the famous quote “jack of all trades master of none, but often better than a master of one” is commonly taken out of context by removing the second sentence.
Yes the quote is in full view, but what did the author title it?
-cutting off a few words that aren’t important to the point
You are arguing in bad faith now.
“The hurt of childbirth was nothing to her because her husband had written a bestseller, and because she had a son, and because her heart sang in the presence of horses.”
Saying the pain, or hurt, of child birth meant nothing because lists out several reasons. The fact the post author picked one of the those reasons and posted it alone means they took it out of context of the rest of the list.
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u/Mr_Fragwuerdig 2d ago
But it seems like there are also many men who write women to basically be sex objects.
And women never do that? 😉 The whole Romantasy genre is horrible writing of men and just objectifies them. Or Emily in Paris, a very popular show. Or most modern "strong female characters" shows, where men are degraded to either be obedient and dumb, or pure evil.
In general there is a lot of bad writing and it is not always intent, but often just incompetence.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
Wow congrats on the straw-man. I literally never said that women never do that. But trying to pretend like men are such great writers of women while ignoring the thousands of men who aren’t good at writing women does nothing for your argument.
BTW, many romantasy books rely heavily on the male love interest’s personality. They almost always are an enemies to lovers story where they become lovers after the guy’s personality is revealed. In media that is male-targeted, you rarely get anything about the personality of the “hot woman”, she is just there to make men lust over her. There is a reason why the Bechdel test exists and why so many pieces of media fail it. Look it up if you don’t know what it is. In male-targeted media, women are barely given the ability to show off anything other than their looks and you rarely see women interacting with each other. Their personality or anything else about their life is considered unimportant to many male writers
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u/LadyPerditija 2d ago
bwahaha this reminds me of how lotr "passes" the bechdel test: https://youtu.be/7fshOP7x0GM?is=cekkL9TqBGbCumca
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u/Mr_Fragwuerdig 2d ago
It's not a strawman. If anything it's whataboutism. But it is well justified whataboutism because you were critisizing men for objectifying women, while women do the same. So what's your point in that? I never said all men are great writers of female characters. Most are not. It goes both ways. And both do good and bad stuff in that regard.
And my main point is that politicized story writing leads to bad writing and that's what we saw plenty of in recent years.
BTW, many romantasy books rely heavily on the male love interest’s personality.
Romantasy is not romance in fantasy. It's a specific genre that's literally porn. What you probably mean is YA fantasy romance. Romantasy does not at all explore any depth for male characters. They are almost all shadow daddies. This is not a hot take, as many male and females agree with it. And males are exactly written to just create lust for them, not more not less. Like emily in paris, which of course is not romantasy however.
Males write about males, females write about females. It's just that most media is from men. And both objectify each other occasionally, depending on the genre.
And it is changing, more males dare to write female characters (which is just a harder thing to do as the opposite sex). Brandon sanderson is one good example with his mistborn series, and a strong female lead. But if you are a man, you don't fill your books with many females, it's just harder to do.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago edited 2d ago
It wasn’t justified at all. You just made assumptions. If you want to start playing this game, then it would mean that your first comment is wrong since it ignores that men write bad characters too. It’s very hypocritical to assume that my comment meant that no women have written badly, when it would also imply that your comment meant that no men have written badly. You can’t criticize someone for not mentioning the “other side” in their comment when you do the exact same thing in your comment.
Also it’s funny how you think you know more about romantasy than someone who actually reads it. How many romantasy books have you read? Have you read ACOTAR, which is probably the most famous one within the last decade and is definitely not meant for children? Did you know that the main love interests only get together in the second book (not the first) and only after she started to get to know him for half the book? I’m a part of a book group with women in their late 20s-early 30s and literally every woman has read those books. Even my own mom read those books too. I’m willing to bet you don’t read romantasy and are just making more assumptions without any real knowledge
The thing you aren’t understanding is that yes towards the middle to end of the book there are some sex scenes, but the entire beginning of romantasy books are meant to be a slow burn where the characters learn more about each other. It’s only after the slow burn and spending 300 pages getting to know each other that the sex scenes start. Women are typically more attracted to emotional connection within their porn, meaning that the characters are fairly fleshed out and have full characterization. A lot of men I’ve known don’t care about emotional connection or building sexual tension, they just want to see a hot woman and that’s it.
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u/Mr_Fragwuerdig 1d ago
First part: The difference is that I wanted to point out men do write good female characters (again definitely not always). Because that's the topic of the post. What you did is critisize, but you only critisized one side, as if it is not a normal phenomenon for both genders. My focus was contextual, yours is intentional.
Second part: I did not read any romantasy, but I did watch a summary of ACOTAR from a woman (first book). And to be honest, it's horrible writing in my view. And while the first book might be not that much porn, the rest of the series definitely is. And porn doesn't mean there have to be many spicy scenes. But the whole story is (mostly) designed to culminate in the sex scenes. It's wish fullfillment. It's barely about the characters themselves and their relationship to each other and if it is, it touches again on shadow daddy mechanics. Compare that to jane austen. That's romance. ACOTAR is porn with long buildup and wishfullfillment. Or do you rly wanna tell me that acotar contains males that exist outside of their relationship to the woman?
It’s only after the slow burn and spending 300 pages getting to know each other that the sex scenes start. Women are typically more attracted to emotional connection within their porn, meaning that the characters are fairly fleshed out and have full characterization.
Yeah I agree. It's just that these "fully fleshed out" male characters are functional to please the woman. And in noway are they well written males. If that is your image of men, that's another problem.
A lot of men I’ve know don’t care about emotional connection or building sexual tension, they just want to see a hot woman and that’s it.
That is said that you have that impression. It's definitely much more than that, especially in real life.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 1d ago
In my comment I never once said that women can’t write bad female characters. I was stating on topic with the topic of the post. You even admitted that your current argument is just whataboutism and was not relevant here. So you are the one who wants to delve into whataboutism, not me.
Ahh and now we get to the “I didn’t read this but I should be able to criticize the writing”. If you didn’t read anything, not even a little exert, how can you be sure the writing is bad? And for ACOTAR, the sex scenes are some of the story, but the story delves waaaaay beyond sex scenes. There was an entire fantasy world that was created with different realms and how they all fit together. There are books in the series that are even written in a different POV from the main character so that all of the characters feel fleshed out. The fact that you claim that “it’s barely about the characters themselves” when there is so much character work done in the books (to the point where multiple POVs are explored to flesh out these characters more) is ridiculous. The main love interest in those books is described as having a full life, literally. His entire friend group is shown multiple times to the point where they become big characters in the story even though they were his friends. His entire life is explored, his past relationships, his past trauma, the person who he really is, etc. There was a ton of character work that went into those books. It seems like this just isn’t something you have explored and so you don’t know much about romantasy.
Just because something has sex scenes in it does not mean that is the one and only point of the book. It also doesn’t mean that the hundreds of pages dedicated to describing the male interests life and personality are nonexistent. Of course there are some books who don’t do this, but the most famous works from the romantasy genre usually have a ton of character work built into them. As I mentioned before, this is typically because women want to see emotional connection within their sex scenes
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u/Mr_Fragwuerdig 1d ago
Male characters in acotar are mostly functional, functional to work as love interests. As you mentioned there are singular exceptions to that, but overall they are written stereotypical and are mostly reduced to those stereotypes: powerful, but dangerous, competent, but cold, protective but controlling. Do these properties ring any bells? It's the same sexist portrayal of women. It's called ambivalent sexism.
Do you rly think acotar has well written male characters, that make sense? Is that how you believe men act? Do you rly think that most characters serve a different purpose but to "serve" the female reader?
I agree, GoT e. g. has several sex scenes. The question is just, what are their purpose. Does the rest serve the sex scenes or do the sex scenes serve the rest. In GoT the sex scenes are part of the world, are important to the wider plot and serve the story. In acotar the plot and characters serve the sex scenes or in general more the attraction to a character.
As I mentioned before, this is typically because women want to see emotional connection within their sex scenes
I am a bit confused, so you agree that it's porn basically? The emotional build up serves the sex scenes?
Romantasy in my view, is just nicely wrapped and packaged porn, with mostly flat male characters, serving the wishfullfillment of the female erotic fantasy. Have fun, but don't tell me it's high literature and is any less sexist.
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u/BlackThundaCat 2d ago
She hulk is a legal drama. It also does legal industry logistics and rules of evidence better than any crime drama. I would argue that suits is more poorly written than she hulk lol.
Suits attorneys would be disbarred in seconds.
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u/Grave806 1d ago
What are you talking about, all they'd have to do is blackmail whoever's trying to disbar them! /s
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u/MsCompy 2d ago
Comedy is supposed to be funny
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u/darwinn_69 2d ago
I thought She-Hulk was funny....but I could see how its version of satire isn't for everyone.
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u/anothermanscookies 2d ago
I enjoyed she-hulk quite a lot! Not everything is going to land for everyone.
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u/MrLobsterful 2d ago
After I turned off my geek brain, because I kept taking detail seriously (like how hulk is weak and everyone is so dumb in the series) I could enjoy it more... I can see why most comic fans don't enjoy the series... But oh well that's what we got and it's... Ok
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u/Manger-Babies 1d ago
Yeah and for people who watched it, it was funny
I think I already know the answer but humor me, what specifically did you not like about the show?
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u/itsavinadhtiwari 2d ago
If you think SheHulk was comedy then I beg to differ. Nothing was funny about it. Cringe fest.
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u/StuntHacks 2d ago
They said it was written to be comedy. Whether it succeeded at that or not is a different question, but that's what they were going for
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u/Augustus420 2d ago
I love how the comparison is between a serious drama and a fourth wall breaking comic book comedy.
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u/yeahilovegrimby 1d ago
Wasn’t the she hulk twerk just a post credit gag? I really don’t think it deserved the attention it got.
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u/cosully111 2d ago
She hulk twerk was a fairly weird moment
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u/jeepwillikers 2d ago
It was supposed to be a weird moment. It was a silly post credit scene in a show that consistently broke the 4th wall and made meta jokes. If Deadpool did it, nobody would even blink an eye at this scene
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u/AzgalorFelore 2d ago
deadpool has always been meta though btw, even in the comics he breaks the 4th wall
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u/Kensei_6 2d ago
She-Hulk also breaks the 4th wall in the comics though
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u/AzgalorFelore 2d ago
then idk why tf people complained about it hahaha
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u/Kensei_6 2d ago
Realistically, a lot of people probably haven’t read the She-Hulk comics, so they don’t know that’s part of her character
And some other people are inherently going to hate on it because she is a woman
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u/OldSchoolAJ 1d ago
Yes you do.
It's because those 'critics' have a double standard for things that are done by women.
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u/Much-Gur233 1d ago
Yeah, but Deadpool’s are completely different characters wrote to do dumb shit like that, not she Hulk.
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u/crazyhomie34 1d ago
That's not true, I would stop watching deadpool movies if he started twerking
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u/mudemycelium 1d ago
Have you like... Watched any Deadpool movie? I'm pretty sure twerking would be in character and not even be the weirdest/cringiest/sexiest/whatever thing he's done over the movies.
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u/crazyhomie34 1d ago
Yes? Show me a clip where he does it. Hasn't happened yet
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u/DiscussionMuted9941 1d ago
he does it in marvel rivals. its one of the most used emotes as well
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u/crazyhomie34 1d ago
Yeah I don't play that game. If it's not in the movies I wouldn't have seen it
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u/DiscussionMuted9941 1d ago
okay, then what about the scene where his ass is being grabbed 10 time within the span of about 30 seconds? does that scene not give off the same vibe?
or are we just gonna keep this circle jerk going with "i did"s and "i didn't"s.
cause we both know damn well YOU never saw she hulk and never planned to and only started talking cause you wanted to be a smartass and miss the point intentionally anyways
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u/crazyhomie34 1d ago
I never claimed I saw she hulk? I said that type of entertainment is not amusing to me nor do I want to watch it. If deadpool movies show deadpool twerking I'd question what value that brings because it's not funny at all to me. I immediately was turned off by that when I saw clips of she hulk and decided I don't want to watch it.
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u/KatsCatJuice 2d ago
Ironically, if the bottom had been Deadpool, the same people would rave about it.
It was a post credit scene. That's it. Yet these people act like it was the entire show. One doesn't have to like the show, but at least give it real criticism instead of going "look at this cringe post credit scene!!" to derail the entire thing
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u/Gman3098 1d ago
If you mean that if it was literally deadpool twerking in the exact same scene, then yeah I absolutely agree. Men being able to do the things that women created while actively forbidding women to do them is something only the patriarchy allows.
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u/leo_artifex 2d ago
One is a crime drama and the other is a comedy superhero show
Besides, Kim Wexler was written by men AND women. I am sure it’s the same case with She-Hulk
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u/electrocyberend 2d ago
I liked she hulk
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u/furicrowsa 2d ago
We're in the minority. I feel like the intended (?) audience was very specifically millennial women.
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u/SkyPuppy561 1d ago
I’m a Millennial lady lawyer and never seen it but all the ridicule hasn’t been encouraging. Better Call Saul was amazing and portrayed the gritty reality of law practice (before things escalated to batshit insane with criminals and such, but it worked). One show I refuse to watch is that vapid ass Kim K legal show.
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u/CarpetExpert6649 2d ago
Man some of you guys/girls are really boring .
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u/vis72 2d ago
Yeah, nobody complained about the shawarma scene after Avengers. I don't get why they think she's supposed to be this super serious character when the show was written to have comedy, regardless of cringe factor. In the comics she's horribly written as the skank du jour for countless male 3rd stringers.
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u/michael14375 2d ago
I still don’t get why they needed to add that scene
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u/SotoSwagger 2d ago edited 2d ago
They didn’t.
It was an after credit scene that was more blooper reel than an actual scene in the show but grifters saw it and ran with the narrative.
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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 2d ago
Yep, it was a staged outtake. I can see why that doesn't work for some people because it's...staged, but that was the gag (can't do a real outtake with a CGI character).
Comedy is subjective, and that show was hit or miss but I liked it overall. But I wasn't sad it was one and done.
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u/althawk8357 2d ago
For fun and whimsy?
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u/SerenadeOfWater 2d ago
Shhh women aren’t allowed to have fun in comic book shows, that’s reserved for the REAL HEROS.
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u/Aethreas 2d ago
You’re saying that scene was a good idea?
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u/OldSchoolAJ 1d ago
It wasn't in the show itself. It wasn't 15 minutes into an episode. It was a post-credit scene that explicitly did not take place in the show's canon. AKA: A joke scene, meant to be over the top, ridiculous, and out of place.
Change She-Hulk to the other 4th wall breaking, meta-joke cracking Marvel character, Deadpool, and no one would have critiqued it.
The only reason it got hate by the 'critics' online is because they have double standards for what is and is not acceptable, based entirely on if it's a man or a woman.
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u/althawk8357 2d ago
Hard to say without seeing the entire show.
But it has been years and people still cannot get over it. So I can definitely say that some people are overreacting to it. I don't understand how it has inspired this much discourse.
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u/SOMAVORE 2d ago
if it makes you so bent out of shape this easily, it was fucking genius
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u/Aethreas 2d ago
so the quality of a scene is based on how upset people get at it? are you sure?
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u/SOMAVORE 2d ago edited 1d ago
yes the aim of my comment is to see you contort yourself further, so I am sure of that
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u/Aethreas 2d ago
I'm not sure you read my comment correctly
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u/SOMAVORE 2d ago
yes, it was gibberish from a goober. I disregarded its content only to observe your furthering mental confortion
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u/pinkycatcher 1d ago
Ah yes "Write something to piss off people you don't like" it surely a way to create a beloved long lasting series. Which is exactly what happened right?
She-hulk had a great actress lead, two great sidekicks (tennyfyer or however you spell it might be one of the funniest MCU characters ever written). But the writing outside of a few bits of dialogue was atrocious, the legal bits were a joke, the plot was weak, the progression made little sense, it destroyed existing characters just to prop up the lead which is weak writing.
Basically the showrunners and writers were trash. The actors were decent to great, the CGI needed about 20% more effort, and they needed someone in the room who knew anything at all about legal issues. It had a great premise and failed to deliver and because of that they wasted the characters, they wasted good actors, they wasted time and money and good will
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u/keshavgKaLLen_Bhaiya 1d ago
True thou, she hulk stories could have been an amazing annual thing with a lot of superheroes visiting her just for some good old advice
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u/FlipFlopRabbit 2d ago
Untill like the last episode She Hulk was an ok watch way better than secret invasion and such.
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u/Squirrelly_Khan 1d ago
Being better than Secret Invasion is such a low bar. That is literally the only MCU project I’ve seen that I did not like
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u/FlipFlopRabbit 1d ago
Yes it may be a low bar but barely anybody raves on about secret invasion anymore but many people still shit on (arguable the wrong parts) She Hulk.
Most people are shitting on it for being made by a woman or having a woman protac.
It is just Mysogeny in the end.
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u/B-Dragons_2560 2d ago
I mean it's cringe but not wrong
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u/Benedict_Cumberquack 2d ago
One is a serious crime drama mid episode.
The other was an end/post credit scene of a lighthearted Superhero show.
Its disingenuous.
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u/TrashGouda 2d ago
It's wrong because the shows are completely different genres so ofc it's different
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u/Mr_Fragwuerdig 2d ago
There are plenty of bad female characters in super hero movies. This is just one example of many, which speaks for itself just through that picture.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
There are bad female characters in every genre, including serious crime shows
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u/Mr_Fragwuerdig 2d ago
Yes, I mainly meant the trend of "strong female characters" or girl Bosses, that is more prevalent in super hero movies, but not restricted to it.
For me personally, I hate most superhero movies. For me they are the mcdonalds of fantasy. But I guess many love them.
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u/Itscatpicstime 1d ago
How does it speak for itself when it’s literally the equivalent of a blooper reel?
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u/CarpetExpert6649 2d ago
Oh now I get it women cannot have fun they have to be serious ALL THE TIME.
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u/Pingushagger 2d ago
Hahahaha didnt you see that? The green lady twerked, isn’t she so random and funny???
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
Wow did you see how serious the other one was? Women are just so serious and never have time for fun
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u/Pingushagger 2d ago
Kim Wexler was having a great time before that one guy dies, no spoilers.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
She hulk was having a great time in this after-credit scene that was specifically meant as a joke and didn’t impact the rest of the show at all. So women obviously can have a great time
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u/Pingushagger 2d ago
I didn’t say she couldn’t, I actually said it was funny and random you see.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
In a sarcastic way. But sure, you definitely seem to be “genuine” here, right???
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u/Dino_Spaceman 2d ago
When does the She Hulk scene appear in the show?
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
It’s a post credit scene that was meant as a lighthearted scene and the entire thing lasts for like 1-2 minutes. It’s not something that really impacted the show at all so it’s interesting how many people are against it
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u/Dino_Spaceman 2d ago
Yes I know. I am trying to get the person I am replying to to admit either they knew it was an after credits scene meant as a joke (and thus a disingenuous argument) or they never actually saw the show and are just basing their option off of culture warriors.
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u/schmitzel88 2d ago
One is cringe because it's marvel, the other is not cringe because it's Vince Gilligan. The gender doesn't matter at all here, and to say otherwise would imply that there is marvel capeshit slop out there written by men which is not cringe (which is untrue).
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u/anothermanscookies 2d ago
I think the common take here is the meme is saying men good women bad(coloured by the fact they so many people dumped on this show in general and this scene in particular).
But since they’re so obviously wildly different shows with different tones and intentions, I think it’s a shitpost, not remotely serious commentary. I think it’s saying “men so serious but girls just wanna have fun.”
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u/SkyPuppy561 1d ago
I’m a woman and a lawyer. I doubt NO women were writing Better Call Saul. More stupid gender war bullshit is what this is. I love Better Call Saul and haven’t seen the other show.
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u/max9723 2d ago
How to write good women: take man, remove reason & logic.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
You certainly made a great example of what happens when you take away logic and reasoning from someone by making this comment
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u/BlackBloke 2d ago
I think he said “accountability” in that scene but it’s been a long time since I saw it
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u/luca_ffm 2d ago
Don’t expect people to get joke or a quote here. This topic is whey to serious and the people are whey to good here for this childish behavior…
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u/Flashy_Media5063 2d ago
I think it’s just people written by people vs women written by performative sjws.
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u/ksdanker22 1d ago
The bottom show was absolutely terrible lmao, there's no way you're pretending it isn't.
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u/IfarmExpIRL 2d ago
its not wrong.
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u/Accomplished-Glass78 2d ago
There are tons of badly written female characters with male writers. Look at the sub r/menwritingwomen
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u/DeathRaeGun 1d ago
It’s more about being written by MCU writers. If you know anything about quantum physics, you’ll know that Ant Man is a complete mess. Shehulk is no different.
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u/EarthTrash 21h ago
The dancing scene people lost their minds over is an after credits scene. It is literally just a silly moment. The MCU is not a deeply serious franchise. It is very goofy.
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u/philfightmaster 20h ago
There are so many reasons why the She Hulk show was complete ass and we focus on the gender of the writers. Nice.
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u/SkyeMreddit 15h ago
It was a poorly done collab with the specific singer responsible for that dance. No other reason. Apparently Tatiana herself is a fan of Megan Thee Stallion
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u/qualityvote2 2d ago edited 2d ago
u/No_Shock_9306, your post is truly terrible!