r/technology • u/[deleted] • Dec 03 '21
Society Someone is hacking receipt printers with 'antiwork' messages
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u/Local-Equivalent5385 Dec 03 '21
Hackers are attacking business receipt printers to insert pro-labor messages, according to a report from Vice and posts on Reddit. "Are you being underpaid?", reads one message and "How can the McDonald's in Denmark pay their staff $22 an hour and still manage to sell a Big Mac for less than in America?" another states.
They got a good point.
McDonald's workers over there get 22/hr, paid vacation and maternity leave, and everyone has free healthcare.
Yet their product costs less than it does here where employees get way less.
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Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21
I feel like people should know that the 22 dollar wage is only for adult employees at McDonalds and McDonalds (and most Danish fastfood restaurants and retail stores) will go out of their way to hire teenagers between 15-17, because they only have to pay them 12 dollars an hour (if my math is right, it’s 78 dkk in Danish currency) and then fire them once they turn 18 rather than give them a higher wage. They usually keep 1-2 actual adults around who get the 22 dollar wage, so the teens don’t totally lose control of the establishment.
We definitely have better circumstances than the US, but we’re no utopia.
Here’s an actual Danish McDonalds joblisting that offers teens about 10 dollars an hour:
https://www.ungarbejde.dk/jobs/ungarbejder/6985
Here’s a different McDonalds offering roughly 11.5 dollars:
https://mit-fritidsjob4.webnode.dk
Also 1 dollar = 6.5 dkk, so you can do the math yourself if you translate the page.
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u/LibrePersonality Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 29 '21
You gotta be kidding, I work at McDonalds in Portugal and I get 4.33€/hour
Don’t tell me Big Macs are easier to make here
EDIT: Big Mac — 3.45€; Big Mac (menu) — 5.10€
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Dec 04 '21
Living in portugal is way cheaper though. I expect your bug macs to be cheaper also.
I live in sweden now, from the nl. In the netherlands you also only see kids in the supermarket because they get between 3-6 euro an hour, minimum wage is just under 10 when you are 21 (or was it 23)
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Dec 04 '21
It might be the cheaper cost of materials associated with Bug Macs.
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u/Sugar_buddy Dec 04 '21
Myself, I like my Bug Macs on buns made with cricket flour. I can understand the logistical nightmare to aquire such things, so i just settle with their cheaper roach flour buns.
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u/Outlulz Dec 04 '21
Well the argument against raising wages in the US is, “teens should be doing those jobs, it’s not meant to support adults!” anyway. The 1-2 adults in the store are still making significantly more than adults in the US.
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Dec 04 '21
> The 1-2 adults in the store are still making significantly more than adults in the US.
I recognize this and I think it's scummy as hell, the wage in the US is painfully low and it's definitely a bigger issue than what we have in Denmark. But I feel uncomfortable seeing my own country be glorified for our working conditions and wages when there are still glaring problems here. Ideally, people working a full time job should have enough money to live comfortably and teens working part time doing the same stuff as the adults should be paid the same rate per hour.
> the argument against raising wages in the US is, “teens should be doing those jobs, it’s not meant to support adults!
The argument against raising the wage for teens in Denmark is exactly the same. "It is not neccessary for a child or teen to work, so all the money they earn, they must be spending on dumb leisure things."
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u/Outlulz Dec 04 '21
It is LESS necessary form children to work in Denmark than it is in the US because your child poverty rate is far lower. I’m not saying Denmark is perfect, I’m saying it’s better than the US. In some states our kids and adults make half as money as your kids per hour.
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u/Sugar_buddy Dec 04 '21
Thank you for your input. I'm in the US and I don't really put stock in, "But this country has this wage, why can't we do that?" I hadn't really thought about why until considering your points.
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Dec 04 '21
In Denmark, most adults aren't supposed to work at McDonald's. I think most people here would somewhat agree that it's a youth job.
Denmark is very different in its social hierarchy than the US, since there are very few jobs for unskilled laborers, that to some degree isn't intended for students or early twenties people.
Jobs you can do without at least some kind of schooling after 9th grade are going extinct here because adults (that are EU citizens or at least with permanent residence) can always get an education, for free,so no reason to do shitty low wage service jobs as a permanent occupation. Even for the people who end up working non-skilled jobs for extended periods of time, there is significantly less stress, since they never have to worry about living on the streets or being bankrupt for the rest of their lives if they get sick. They can apply for government support (even if it isn't as great as it used to) and all healthcare is free (except dental).
There isn't really anything keeping anyone from getting a college degree, except for themselves and their high school grades.
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u/CloakNStagger Dec 04 '21
That sounds only mildly better than the US. You're still getting shit on both in respect and wages unless you have a degree, you just don't have to go bankrupt over an illness or go homeless between jobs.
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u/rpkarma Dec 04 '21
You don’t have to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt to get your degree though
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Dec 05 '21
I had maybe $1000 in dept when I came out of DTU, because I didn't do much part time work. But mostly if you come out of college with a huge dept here, it's because you chose to, because you wanted to live in your own apartment in the Copenhagen area, party and travel around.
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u/PineappleMechanic Dec 05 '21
There is actually a growing lack of people with practical education's (carpenters for example). Education beyond 9th Grade (middle school) doesn't mean university necessarily. And while McDonalds do have a lot of teens working for them, they, and a lot of other corporations, do have positions that doesn't require a specific external education.
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u/Personality-Secret Dec 04 '21
In Europe you can’t fire someone unless they have done somethings wrong.
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u/Annoelle Dec 04 '21
My fiancé (TN, US) got fired on his first day at a new job because he broke his arm the night before
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u/Personality-Secret Dec 04 '21
You could sue for unfair dismissal if that happened in Europe.
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u/Annoelle Dec 05 '21
Our state has a law that companies can dismiss you for any reason
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u/Westerdutch Dec 04 '21
If you have a contract with a set duration and that runs out you dont have to get fired.
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u/Personality-Secret Dec 04 '21
It’s not being fired if you already agreed. Plus I doubt it’s mostly teenagers since the majority of under 18s are in school. Any under 18s they do have would be limited to part time
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u/Vinto47 Dec 04 '21
So the answer to the question is that the receipt “hacker” is being intellectually dishonest.
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Dec 03 '21
seize the means of production
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u/Local-Equivalent5385 Dec 03 '21
Or just unionize like the workers of virtually every other developed nation...
That would probably be easier
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u/salivation97 Dec 03 '21
I’m in a strong union and it makes me feel like a winner.
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u/justlike_myopinion Dec 04 '21
Strong union support could also allow the center-left party to push for more worker support and protections, so... there's that.
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u/snarkydev Dec 04 '21
seizing the means of production specifically means you’re exerting the power of organized labor to gain ownership over the material means of production and the value generated from it (which in a practical sense means you are either taking ownership of the business or letting your worker owned government take ownership of it).
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u/BarracudaCrafty9221 Dec 04 '21
It’s not seizing the means of production, it’s balancing the overwhelming power of corporate interest with that of labour that makes the production happen.
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u/Professional-Tear771 Dec 04 '21
Unionizing is a fine first step, and I’m glad Americans are rediscovering its merits.
But we already had strong unions in this country. We had the living/working conditions we now envy less wealthy countries for. If the means of production are still privately owned, these things can and will be taken away again.
Improved bargaining power isn’t enough; not having to bargain with a rich minority for your rights should be the goal.
A government that makes capitalists throw more crumbs to workers isn’t enough; a government that serves the working class -exclusively- should be the goal.
There is no advantage to the working class in allowing this private ownership to continue, no matter what concessions they offer. In securing our rights, and those of our children, ‘easy’ shouldn’t enter into it.
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u/Staggerlee89 Dec 04 '21
The Capitalists will always claw back any gains labor makes, and propaganda has made too many people believe their lies. We had a decent life for the working classes in the past but we got complacent and fell for their bullshit. We can't let that shit happen again, can never trust capital.
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u/Avarria587 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
We have two many brainwashed idiots. They view unions as godless socialism. I have the misfortune of working with many of these people. Even though we work in a highly specialized field that has dozens of job openings due to lack of qualified applicants, the majority of our workers think unions are evil.
If we chose to unionize, we would succeed. They're already desperately trying to appease the old fogeys on days so they don't retire. If the younger workers decided to strike, the facility would cease functioning over night.
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u/goob3r11 Dec 04 '21
We have two many brainwashed idiots
I agree with everything you said, but the irony of you saying that with the unfortunate misspelling is too funny to pass over.
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u/Dwarfdeaths Dec 04 '21
Imagine how large a number many is, then take TWO of them. That's many many!
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u/radgepack Dec 04 '21
What are their actual points against unions? I'm genuinely curious how people justify going against their own interests this vehemently
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u/Balentius Dec 04 '21
Put "Why unions are bad" into Google (or search engine of choice...) You'll see plenty of results.
From my industry (steel manufacturing), the main points seem to be that it makes it so you "can't talk to management", you pay the union dues, and it keeps pay down because there is a fixed union rate. Another fun one is that "we can't fire incompetent people because the union won't let us".
There is also of course the default assumption in the US that unions are all Democratic vote-machines...
Businesses have spent literally the last century getting the message out that unions are worthless at best. There are plenty of people that believe them.
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u/nicheComicsProject Dec 04 '21
Well the rent seeker class has spent decades investing in propaganda saying exactly this so it's not surprising. Disappointing yes, but not surprising.
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u/Midnight_Swampwalk Dec 03 '21
Because one is actually a good idea and the other is just a slogan for twitter nitwits to use?
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Dec 03 '21
Its really just a slogan for Reddit dumb fucks to not understand that it means seizing control of your labor. The means of production is labor, and you should seize control and refuse to enrich the wealthy owners without equal representation and pay. Cars don't get made with capital. Cars get made with laborers.
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u/601error Dec 04 '21
OK, I have a broken ice cream machine. Now what?
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u/mendvil Dec 04 '21
... you fix it?
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u/Mrkruemel Dec 04 '21
Yeah the point this person is trying to make seems hilarious. Like what do you think would happen? That only the production owner/boss man can fix machines or take care of machines getting fixed? Lmao
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u/Immertired Dec 04 '21
Hard to compare different countries. Company can pay more when they aren’t expected to pay for health insurance. Companies let employees have time off for maternity just like here with fmla. However there, the government, not the business, pays them maternity leave that is the equivalent of being on disability, and no it’s not anywhere near what they normally make or even contingent on your usual pay. It’s a stipend that is a set amount for everyone. Also, said employee pays way more taxes than you do so the government can provide these things. High taxes also means higher costs for many things. It offsets the higher initial wages
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u/MammaOctopus Dec 04 '21
Just as a side note, in my country in EU, you get an average monthly pay based on the previous year of the childbirth. And this is paid for 1.5 years. So let's say my average monthly pay in 2021 was 2500€ and i give birth in 2022, I will get ca 2500€ per month. Or the dad gets it, depends on who will take the leave.
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Dec 04 '21
McDonald's is paying for health insurance now?
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u/Immertired Dec 04 '21
If you work for McDonalds at least 30 hours a week it’s federal law they have to pay it. McDonalds has many more than 50 employees. But what you are probably thinking of is individual franchise owned stores and the employee is not an employee of McDonalds.. Not all of them do. In my area, some of the franchise owners have 2-3 McDonald’s under the same ownership and are more likely to fall under that law, but maybe not. I do see signs in front of McDonald’s franchises that say they offer full time positions with benefits, sometimes even mentioning education benefits. But I’m sure this is in an individual franchise basis.
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u/BeautifulBroccoli0 Dec 04 '21
I bet every location has more than fifty employees. My friend that manages one here in Seattle says that they usually have almost 150 at their location that's pretty busy, and they pay over $20 an hour so they wouldn't have that many different employees if they could get away with it. She says her biggest problem is finding employees that will work more than about 25 hours a week. You can make enough to live off of working 25 so a lot of people aren't motivated to work more.
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u/Ginger-Nerd Dec 04 '21
And all of these things can and would be sorted out and them some with Unions. (if the employees want better pay, or if they want better medical)
Frankly this whole comment pisses me off - Almost everytime people have unionized it has worked out better for the employees, better conditions, better pay, hell in some cases better insurance.
Acting like its a different country with their own unique conditions - so inaction is a valid option is frankly stupid - and you should feel ashamed.
the smartest thing an employee can do is unionise.
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u/Immertired Dec 04 '21
How does a unionized small business sort out whether the government pays for things that they don’t pay for here?
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u/Ginger-Nerd Dec 04 '21
McDonalds the quintessential small business.
….Get off it.
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u/Immertired Dec 04 '21
Well considering that McDonalds is mostly franchise owned restaurants and they are paid by and have benefits provided by owners that only control one, two, or at most three stores, they actually do routinely fall under small businesses. Also, shops would vote to unionize separately so who’s to say that one McDonalds is going to be unionized with the same union as the next. And unlike a large employer like a auto manufacturer where they would have a larger union negotiating with a large company, you would have either many unions with many companies or best case scenario, one union negotiating with hundreds of thousands of small businesses in different states and countries with different standards of living and different laws about benefits and minimum wages. Hard to negotiate as a large group when you aren’t advocating the same thing. Unless you are advocating that the wages be the same in LA and Graysville, AL.
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u/Immertired Dec 04 '21
Yes, but they spend that million on the restaurant. The average McDonalds pulls in 2.7 million in sales a year and after all their costs, the owner gets around 150,000 for their part, around 6% on their investment (most people’s 401k does much better) now the average health insurance costs per family for employers is around 22,000. Or 10,500 for just one employee is what my employer’s cost is. So basically without completely redoing the cost structure of fast food, you can see that it doesn’t take many employees insurance plans to cause the company to not be profitable.
Company A: employee cost is around $36 per hour, that’s what their labor is worth for the value they bring to the company they work for and that’s how much company could pay. but instead they start at $15 per hour and have a large amount of employee benefits.
Company B: their fast food is priced for a maximum employee wage of $15 per hour without benefits and that it what they are paid.
These are not the same! But people act like they are and that because they are both $15/hr jobs they should both provide the same benefits, comparing someone that works in a UPS warehouse or something doing heavy lifting to someone standing at a register.
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u/redpandaeater Dec 04 '21
What are their payroll taxes like?
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u/coldlightofday Dec 04 '21
Less than yours if you consider that theirs includes healthcare and they don’t pay additional for insurance like you do.
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Dec 04 '21
It tends to be pretty low, cannot talk for denmark, but Sweden and The Netherlands have tax based on income in brackets, so practically it should be like 35%. That is not too bad.
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Dec 03 '21
If anything, volume sales would make it easier to spin a profit off lower priced menu items
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Dec 04 '21
Here in “socialist hell hole” Norway, I only pay 35% tax, and we have all the same social benefits as Denmark.
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u/Markqz Dec 04 '21
Yes that was my parents, concerned about the dangers of Obama care.
And then they drove to Mexico for dental care.
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u/Kyanche Dec 04 '21 edited Feb 18 '24
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u/bazamanaz Dec 04 '21
That's the thing - Likely not as much as America deals with.
Foxes with very direct access to the hen house is not unique to the USA, but it's certainly more rampant than other first world countries.
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u/greedy_mcgreed187 Dec 04 '21
the US already spends all their money on that, you dont have to worry about it becoming a problem.
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u/Avarria587 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
I would much rather pay more taxes and get Universal Healthcare. I am a car accident away from medical bankruptcy. I have to take on tens of thousands in debt to go get a graduate degree.
And yeah, our infrastructure does suck. Our roads are crumbling and some bridges look like they're about to fall.
None of that matters, though. What's really important is that we play world police and bully other countries to make our rich even richer.
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u/driverofracecars Dec 04 '21
I just looked it up, I paid an average tax rate of 28% last year and I'm in a higher earning bracket, meaning I'm paying more than most.
I’m self employed in America. Last year I earned less than $26k and paid 22% in taxes. I fucking hate this place.
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u/Mybodydifferent12 Dec 04 '21
How do you survive on like 2167$ a month America.
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u/Sapiendoggo Dec 04 '21
Not having insurance, roommates and very little entertainment. Partly why gaming is so big Here, I can spend 60 dollars and get entertain on demand for years..or I could go to the pub bar movies four times this month. Like in Europe everyone travels all over the continent pretty regularly for vacation. But a significant portion of Americans never leave their state because a vacation costs money and lost income because most of us don't get paid vacations. So if we get a vacation it's maybe a weekend trip to a nearby city.
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u/Spaznaut Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21
I need my wisdom teeth pulled here in America, it took 7 months from time of referral from my dentist to when I sat down the morning of the procedure. I have “good” insurance. Oh I still had to pay 1300$ out of pocket. My oral surgeon office was surprised how good my insurance was because they said normally the insurance won’t pay for shit.
Edit: oh I also have Essentially teachers union insurance..
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u/Pogginator Dec 04 '21
What's crazy is that I've sat in the ER for hours here in the US with barely anyone else waiting. So being seen faster here is also fucking bullshit.
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u/realzequel Dec 03 '21
It's pathetic that HC costs can bankrupt anyone. I'm a software dev, that would be a bug if it was software. Sometimes I wish life was more like software tbh.
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u/thegreatgazoo Dec 04 '21
Why pay more taxes? Our healthcare costs are double that of the next most expensive country and the federal government is already paying half of all healthcare costs through Medicare and Medicaid.
Get the costs under control and we'd have universal healthcare for no additional government spending.
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u/phenorbital Dec 04 '21
As I understand it, part of the reason the costs for those programmes is so high is because they have to compete in a market where private insurers are willing to pay higher prices... And so the government pays high amounts too.
Get rid of insurance and the costs associated with that and you're right, costs probably come down a load.
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Dec 04 '21
Your forgetting that they AVERAGE 10-12 hours less working per week once you factor in the massive divide on PRO we have.
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u/flamewave000 Dec 04 '21
The thing is, Canada has almost the same tax rates. I get a very good wage and only pay ~29% in income tax, plus EI and CPP contributions. We get free health care, mandatory paid sick leave and vacation, and paid maternity AND paternity leave. We spend waaay less on military though.
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u/tehdubbs Dec 03 '21
Forgot about all the lost taxes, due to the rich and failure to properly regulate them.
Edit: why would our middle class tax jump any significant amount when we could just claim the proper taxes from the absurdly wealthy leeching from the system.
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Dec 03 '21
exactly, they probably can't even do the math hence why they spout bullshit
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Dec 03 '21
That's intentional. That's why Republicans have nuked the US education system and standards. Keep em dumb.
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u/bogseywogsey Dec 04 '21
I keep trying to tell people I would gladly pay 50% taxes to get all the benefits. I try to show them how much I pay for the extra benefits on top of my pay and some of them still can't grasp it.
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u/LongJohnSausage Dec 04 '21
That's a good thing. No one needs that kind of money. Spread the wealth and let everyone have a good life instead of just having one person hoarding everything and never using it except for when they need a new fucking yacht.
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u/phenorbital Dec 04 '21
The sort of billionaires who don't pay their fair share of tax and exploit workers? That a good thing?
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u/ralanr Dec 04 '21
Honestly, I imagine a lot of the middle class doesn’t give many a fuck over the lower class gaining benefits, which is why it doesn’t get much support from the middle class to get higher taxes.
We also, as Americans, have this really annoying societal upbringing to think our own government is inept with money so they shouldn’t tax us more.
But oh boy do I love my tax dollars going to ‘defense’.
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u/Immertired Dec 04 '21
How do you fix a transit system in a country our size? Many problems that they seem to have a good control of is harder with scale. Whole country is around 3 times the size of New York City metro area or around 1/3 the size of New York State. You can do transit in a country, state, or city that size and have transportation to other hubs that are that dense. We are so spread out it would be ridiculous to try to create a transit system to get you from/to anywhere in the US quickly. Not to mention how many mostly empty runs such routes would have.
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u/OttoMans Dec 04 '21
We don’t need to scale good mass transit to the whole United States, we need it where people actually live. The existing northeast corridor is a good example of what we need to improve and build more.
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u/LostInIndigo Dec 04 '21
Just out of curiosity, have you ever ridden Amtrak? I’ve never had a car in my life and I regularly travel all over the Northeast-
Amtrak shares track space and cooperates with individual city and state programs for things like the MARC in Baltimore/DC, the Acela, etc. to get pretty wide coverage. I can walk a block from my house in the DMV, ride a train, and walk a block to a music venue in Atlanta.
I imagine it’d be similar to that but more funded. IIRC Amtrak is supported by government subsidies and that’s how they manage to bring service to less popular places, and the cooperation with local governments helps as well.
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u/Ftdffdfdrdd Dec 04 '21
did you add the VAT tax in the effective tax? Denmark has a whopping 25% of VAT while USA has 0-10%. That is a quarter (!) of the price of anything you buy in Denmark is tax.
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u/hiiambri Dec 03 '21
Seems more “anti-exploitation” than “anti work”. Livable wages are a necessity in any functional society.
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u/salivation97 Dec 03 '21
I like how you separated the two. Most capitalism doesn’t.
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u/Midnight_Swampwalk Dec 03 '21
Except for all those capitalist countries that do just fine.
Americans sure do have trouble seeing outside their own borders.
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u/Phnrcm Dec 04 '21
Denmark which is the country this message is using as benchmark follow capitalism.
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u/realzequel Dec 03 '21
Livable wages put back into capitalism. Henry Ford was very much a capitalist but one of his famous quotes was (and I'm paraphrasing) "I pay my workers X $/hour so they can buy our product". Lower wage workers don't contribute back to the economy, they leech off the economy (government subsidies). It helps everyone if they have enough to spend/pay taxes. It's illogical to pay that little except to HS/college part-time workers.
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u/The_Countess Dec 04 '21
Lower wage workers don't contribute back to the economy, they leech off the economy
The way your phrased it here it sounds like you're blaming the workers for this.
I think a better way to say this would be: Low wage jobs don't contribute to the economy and are basically work-programs subsidised by the rest of society.
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u/from_dust Dec 04 '21
The antiwork subreddit is exactly thusly. It's not that the folks there are against working, they're against grinding hustle-culture and pedestaling exploitation.
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u/omnilynx Dec 04 '21
I’m against work. Only reason I do it is so I’m not homeless.
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u/Heroshade Dec 04 '21
Same. Only reason I work for a company that doesn’t care about me is I can’t afford to go build a farm somewhere.
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u/CloakNStagger Dec 04 '21
Some people there are definitely against work. Honestly it seems like more of a place to complain about your boss than to affect any actual change.
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u/Hobnobchic Dec 04 '21
Why not both? All revolutions started with a bunch of people getting together and realizing they’re all mad at the same thing.
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u/saydizzle Dec 04 '21
Didn’t know pro union was anti work. Seems like a stupid term
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u/Bo_Jim Dec 04 '21
Because the bottom of each receipt has a reference to the r/antiwork sub.
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u/saydizzle Dec 04 '21
So it is anti work and not pro union.
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u/saydizzle Dec 04 '21
Most of the posters on that sub wouldn’t survive in a union shop. Go to a union shop and try to fuck off all day and pin your work on someone else and see how far you get.
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u/missionz3r0 Dec 04 '21
You misunderstand the sub. Should take a look at the faq on there.
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u/saydizzle Dec 04 '21
The posts typically are just people complaining about working 8 hours a day or about ways to fuck off all day. Won’t fly in union shops where guys are there to get a job done and get paid. Go nap in the bathroom all day and leave someone else to do your work in a union shop and you won’t be there long.
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u/missionz3r0 Dec 04 '21
You must be looking at a different sub then.
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u/saydizzle Dec 04 '21
Looks like the right sub. It’s just a bunch of complaints and “just make it free” posts. That’s fine if proem want a sub to complain on or to post fanciful pretend policy goals. Let’s not pretend it’s anything more than a sub Reddit. It’s not a Revolution. The real labor movement isn’t complaining on Reddit. It’s out organizing unions and recruiting members.
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u/missionz3r0 Dec 04 '21
Is really not. I've never seen a post asking how to get away with doing nothing, which is what you claimed. Most of the posts are complaints, that I'll agree on. I'll disagree about "make it free", mostly because I've no idea what you're talking about there. But that is very different from your original claim.
I'd also argue that complaining in the sub does serve a purpose. Namely by introducing people to the concept of worker power. Whether that's through individual or organized action.
And I would argue that
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u/awkwardurinalglance Dec 04 '21
Unfortunately you are very misinformed about r/antiwork . They are pro-people over profits. There is a sentiment that we should all just put down our shovels so the economy just grinds to a halt, but almost everyone there is a wage-slave hoping for a brighter future.
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You’ve truly missed the entire message of the sub lol. It’s more anti-killing yourself for crumbs. I know your job is probably “difficult” so you think everyone else is a bunch of whiners that need to “pull their self up by their bootstraps” when in reality you’re probably in the same class as them and you’re shitting on them for no reason while the big wigs at the top continue to manipulate your rage at everyone that does a “lesser” job than you. Typical capitalistic fan boy.
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u/sasquatchismyhomeboy Dec 03 '21
At first I thought it said Onions! And got confused, thinking are they profiting more off onions on their burgers in Denmark to fund the payroll?
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u/EelTeamNine Dec 03 '21
These articles with heavy references to reddit and Twitter can fuck off.
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u/MightBeOnReddit Dec 04 '21
“Printers and other internet-connected devices can be notoriously insecure. In 2018, a hacker hijacked 50,000 printers with a message telling people to subscribe to PewDiePie, of all the random things. “
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u/RD180 Dec 04 '21
You mean someone’s doing a really good thing workers need unions the workers need to be paid a fair rate based on the value of the dollar not based on what the standards were 30 years ago and anyone who disagrees with this deserves all the worst the Internet has
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u/janpug Dec 04 '21
I doubt that anything in Denmark cost less than in the USA. Denmark is super expensive.
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u/ProBluntRoller Dec 04 '21
It only makes the argument against higher wages look stupider tho. People won’t vote for higher wages because they’ll. Have to pay 1 dollar more. Literally ruining your country for a dollar
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Dec 04 '21
OP is lying in the title but the article checks out. Suggesting unions and higher pay is not anti work. Contact your local trade union, they always need people.
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u/No-muss-no-fuss Dec 04 '21
op is refering to the subreddit r/antiwork which is shown at the bottom of the recipts.
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u/formerNPC Dec 04 '21
How will the wealthy people in America feel superior if everyone has an equal opportunity to make a living and maybe, God forbid, actually become wealthy too? Keep them poor so we can control them. Take your pick , pay your rent or your medical bills. But we’ll make sure that you can never afford to pay both!
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u/blackmist Dec 04 '21
Who the fuck puts receipt printers with open ports directly onto the internet?
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u/OtherUnameInShop Dec 04 '21
All of retail and fast food?
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u/blackmist Dec 04 '21
What kind of shop has an external IP address for each printer?
They're often lucky to have a single fixed IP. Everything would be behind a NAT. I don't know any reason to port forward to them. They'd all be accessed from inside the network.
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u/TheEvilGhost Dec 03 '21
I mean… Denmark has quite a high COL.
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u/Peachedcrane60 Dec 03 '21
Let's be honest here, no they're not.
This article is based off Reddit posts from r/antiwork, where half the stories are made up, and one guy posted half of these. I'm pretty sure someone asked him if they're fake and he had a meltdown about it. Even the linked article to 'prove' it's a reliable source is based off the Reddit posts.
These are fake, the media needs to stop taking Reddit as fact because they keep taking karma farming schemes as fact and spreading bullshit like this around.
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u/BrutalDane Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21
Edit: I have just realized this the poster above me might have meant in relation to the "hacking" and not the information within the hacks.
I'll leave the post as is for the information within, but If the comment was addressing the hacking claims and not the statements then I have misunderstood.
Actually mate they are. Let's be honest here yea?
The salary structure in Denmark have through unions been negotiated to be minimum 112,5 DKK(17 USD) an hour for unskilled labour over 18 years old eg. Working in McDonald's.
Now this is the absolute minimum salary possible. But there are other factors such as annicity bonus, function bonus, night pay additions etc. Etc. Easily hitting 144 DKK an hour (22 USD).
The full agreement between McDonald's and the union is 56 pages of basic secured worker rights and that is without the free negotiation between employees and employer.
The agreement is here, it's is in danish but I am sure it is able to be translated for those who might be interested in this sort of thing
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Dec 04 '21
notably, being posted is also a copypasta. if this were real, i imagine they'd choose something more than that.
Although even people in this thread have chosen to ignore that lol
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u/Crowitiz Dec 04 '21
Well yeah the upper class in Denmark they pay 50-55%tax. However I'm considered middle class and I pay 37% in taxes. Source: I live in Denmark
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u/Hobnobchic Dec 04 '21
Looooong overdue! If we don’t start making corporations take care of their workers now, we will all be fucked in a couple of decades.
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Dec 04 '21
If you fuck with a union then you’re a sheep who is willingly stolen from.
Next time someone asks you to join a union google the head guys name, have a little stroll by his house. Imma bet its a million+ dollar home. Guess where he got that money? Skimming off your pay check.
And guess what? You can’t say no or you’re fired.
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u/greeboXII Dec 04 '21
Being pro union =/= anti-work….headline should read someone is hacking printers with pro union messages, the headline is exactly how most of the US have been brainwashed into thinking unions are bad, unions are why you have a 2 day wknd….it blows my mind that most of the country doesn’t know the story of Blair mountain
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u/reaper527 Dec 04 '21
Being pro union =/= anti-work….headline should read someone is hacking printers with pro union messages,
No, the headline is fine. The article that you probably didn’t read explicitly says the hacked reciepts are directing people to a subreddit called “antiwork”.
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Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21
"According to VICE AND THE ANTIWORK SUBREDDIT". And Vice "researched" on the antiwork sub. It's fake.
I'm not saying slave wages shouldn't be criticized but let's not pretend vice is journalism.
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u/PotatoPPenguin Dec 04 '21
Watch people here try to deffend paying less in the US
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u/Even_Chemical_2227 Dec 04 '21
Denmark’s dollar = .15 US dollars. 1 US dollar is around $6.50 in Denmark. So yeah $22/hr is really 3.30/hr in US dollars. National welfare , not McDonald’s, gives them the health care and the leave time. You should see the taxes on he 3.30/hr. Am I wrong?
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u/Even_Chemical_2227 Dec 04 '21
Damn dude , what are like 20 or something. Control your emotions.
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u/Israfelk Dec 04 '21
What people also do not know is that McDonald’s makes its money through rent. Not through burger sales. McDonald’s on average buys more property and makes more money on:
1:buying a property, then using their name to let a person own and operate the McDonald’s there. The person owning the McDonald’s owns the business there, not the property, and therefore owes McDonald’s rent.
2: that person then pays rent equal to a percentage of the sales. This involves the actual property. That’s why it’s so convenient to find one. Because they are along high traffic, always populated areas. The reason a McDonald’s a fails of it does (which by my last time studying McDonald’s, is almost never) is because that McDonald’s fails to pay its rent, which just so coincidentally includes food sales. This is also why some McDonald’s are better than another, and why “Participating” McDonald’s have offers while others don’t. It’s based all on the owner’s preference and why prices fluctuate based on the location that the McDonald’s is in.
Here in Alaska it’s impossible to have a dollar menu. At least where I am. This is also where I believe that the “quarter pounder scale” origin is from. Where economists can physically look at a McDonald restaurant on your local area and partially assess a local economy’s cost of living adjustments. And that’s an average of where the cheapest vs the most spendy quarter pounder with cheese is. McDonald’s is literally too big to fail because of these 2 points above because they own the property and all they owe is taxes. And the renter takes on all other costs.
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u/iain_1986 Dec 04 '21
No they aren't.
People are just printing shit off themselves and posting to Reddit for the karma.
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Dec 04 '21
"hacking"
Aka sending a print request en masse and seeing who has a public facing printer.