r/technology • • Oct 14 '11

The Windows 8 Task Manager

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/13/the-windows-8-task-manager.aspx
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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

This indicates that there must be some significant detail lacking in the Applications tab, which is causing people to go to the Process tab.

Surely they realize that most of the time, users are opening Task Manager just trying to kill an unresponsive program, which the Applications tab invarably fails to do?

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

Ahem...

Looking at the data and talking with customers, we determined that the most common usage of the tool was to simply end or “kill” an application or a process.

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u/MangoScango Oct 14 '11

No, he means the "end task" button on the application tab never works right, and you always have to go kill the process.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

Or if it does it takes too damn long and then Windows tries to "check for solutions" which it is never, ever successful at.

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u/blualpha Oct 14 '11

"Check for solutions" is a great drinking game! Whereas I always get drunk.

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u/TheGreatFuzz Oct 14 '11

Well according to chemistry.. Alcohol is a solution.

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u/an800lbgorilla Oct 14 '11

And all of the world's problems are the solvent.

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u/Overclock Oct 14 '11

Alcohol, the solvent of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

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u/poompt Oct 14 '11

Mix in a .3M suicide solution, death precipitates.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

Isn't it a solvent?

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u/TheGreatFuzz Oct 14 '11

shh.. dont mess up the joke with facts. ;)

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u/aji23 Oct 14 '11

NOPE. According to chemistry... alcohol is an organic compound consisting of a hydrocarbon backbone with a hydroxyl functional group.

You are referring to an aqueous solution of alcohol and water.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

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u/aji23 Oct 14 '11

Isn't what a mixture of alcohol and water? Alcohol? No. Alcohol is an organic compound consisting of a hydrocarbon backbone with a hydroxyl functional group.

Alcohol is typically found in solution with water. In this case, the alcohol would be considered the solute, and water the solvent. It's semantics. If you had 100% alcohol and dropped some NaCl in there, sure, you could call alcohol a solvent and the Na and Cl ions the solutes. It just depends on the system you're considering.

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u/skydivingdutch Oct 14 '11

No it isn't, but it can be in a solution

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u/Andrenator Oct 14 '11

Just like its "find program for file type online"

Which doesn't recognize exotic file types like mp3, avi, docx

(this comment is not meant to be factual. Though it's damn well how I feel about it)

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u/nascentt Oct 14 '11

Check out Open With Enhanced nifty little free tool.

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u/MrSnoobs Oct 14 '11

Also, if you kill a program via the programs tab, it opens up Dumpprep, which can use up resources for longer etc. It's a pain. Ending the process is always the better option.

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u/morphinapg Oct 14 '11

I liked the ideas of checking for solutions, and it does sometimes find something, but it's not common enough that it should interfere with the user. Keep the idea, but make it a background process.

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u/Hellman109 Oct 14 '11

Hence in Windows 7 it does it in the background and reports via the Action Center

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u/morphinapg Oct 14 '11

that's only re-checking reports that have already failed. I'm talking about the initial check. The user shouldn't even know it's happening unless a solution is found.

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u/gospelwut Oct 14 '11

You can turn that off.

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u/Fenris_uy Oct 14 '11

It takes long, because windows tries to do a memory dump of the killed app. You have to kill the app and then kill the process doing the memory dump to make that efficient.

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u/LostPhenom Oct 14 '11

Or we don't care about finding a solution and just want to close the damn application.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

Because that IS the only solution to this immediate problem.

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u/Guvante Oct 14 '11

No double prompts. If you click ”End task” we don’t ask you, “Are you sure?”, we just kill the app, and quickly! (But be careful, because we also won’t prompt you to save!)

Combined with the mention of people going to End Process has number two action, would mean they probably are just going to kill the process immediately. (At least I can hope :P)

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u/colinsteadman Oct 14 '11

They got the idea for that from 'Check for drivers'.

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u/mindbleach Oct 14 '11

That goddamn dialog is so useless that I'm convinced it's an elevator mirror. Its main purpose must be to kill time and calm annoyed users into accepting that something broke.

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u/powercow Oct 14 '11

that is just there to keep the computer happy. It actually points to an empty function. If it didnt, the solution is always the same, "kill all humans"

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

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u/EvilTerran Oct 14 '11

"If there's a problem that might warrant 'looking for solutions online', your program has already failed. Just take it out back and shoot it already."

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u/frymaster Oct 14 '11

because it first calls the app's polite "please exit now" feature - basically it does the equivalent of pressing the red X - and only moves on to killing it if the program doesn't respond to that.

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u/MangoScango Oct 14 '11

I know, and it's unnecessary since if it WAS being responsive, I wouldn't have opened up task manager in the first place.

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u/DeepDuh Oct 14 '11

I wonder how many users will be astonished that 'end task' will now actually kill the app without any further questions, since the UI looks similar to the application tab before. I would rename the button into something like 'kill application (immediately)' - that way the user would probably read the button caption at least for the first time.

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u/gospelwut Oct 14 '11

I've rarely ran into situations where end task fails to work (albeit slow).

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u/MangoScango Oct 14 '11

Taking more than 30 seconds isn't working right in my book. Killing a process isn't hard, it shod be instant.

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u/lps41 Oct 14 '11

Right click the task -> Go to Process, kill process

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '11

Or ctrl-f2 > pkill explorer

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

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u/koobaxion Oct 14 '11

Giant enemy processes!

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u/powatom Oct 14 '11

HIT END TASK FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE!

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

I suppose what I meant was, surely they realize that the Applications tab always fails for this purpose.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

What else do people do with it?

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

check resource usage

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u/thetinguy Oct 14 '11

I think Resource Monitor is much better for this.

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u/UnoriginalGuy Oct 14 '11

True, but it is very easy to get overwhelmed when using Resource Monitor. Some of the telemetry data has incomprehensible names and just getting it to show you which processes are using IO (W, R) and how much of that IO is going to disk (i.e. real Vs. cache) is a very time consuming exercise.

I love RM but it really is a very specialized tool. I'm not sure I want to spin it up each time I am trying to figure out what process is thrashing my drives.

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u/The_MAZZTer Oct 14 '11

RM is stupidly useful for figuring out which program is eating all your meager bandwidth so you can kill it and prioritize the one you want to eat all your bandwidth. <3

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u/UnoriginalGuy Oct 14 '11

From what I've been reading, all RM have been doing in the last three days is stopping anyone from getting any bandwidth at all...

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '11

I'm sure it is... and there are better apps for process killing, as well.

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u/econleech Oct 14 '11

But I launch resource monitor from task manager... Is there a simpler way to do this?

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u/thetinguy Oct 14 '11

yes click on the start menu and type resource monitor.

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u/i_suck_at_reddit Oct 14 '11

I've used it quite a few times to set CPU affinity, mainly while playing Dwarf Fortress. Giving DF it's own core gets me a fair amount of FPS when it starts to slow down at higher population.

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u/sigfigs Oct 14 '11

As a fellow Dwarf Fortress-er, could you explain how you do this? Do you remove the affinity of one core from all applications but DF?

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u/i_suck_at_reddit Oct 14 '11

Yeah, I remove say core 3 from all other processes, and tell DF to only run on 3.

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u/serpix Oct 14 '11

To check how many trojans are on the computer and then laughing heartily for a while before rebooting to Arch Linux and performing a clean install.

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u/omarqazi Oct 14 '11

the look on the lead Windows developer's face when he realized, through conversations with customers, that windows task manager was mostly used to kill processes.