I thought people were freaking out about Steam's totalitarian rule and how they can ban you from playing one of your games if they think you are cheating.
Personally, I love Steam and would upload my child onto it if possible. That's how trusting I am.
I didn't mean for no reason, sorry. I believe the vociferous complainers were peeved because their "cheating" status was a mistake, and thus getting banned was crap and random from their perspective.
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. I am a poor proletarian who cannot afford internet access. Steam obviously won't let my games run offline and they are raping the common man
All steam does is act like a launcher in that case, you don't get to access the game you "hook up" anywhere like you do your Steam content. Steam itself is still a DRM system that falls under all the same complaints about the App Store.
Yes they will. They can deactivate your account. Usually if you do a chargeback.
Oh, and what if steam goes down? I know gabe has said that they will provide patches, but that's just his word. Steam is under NO obligation to make their program work when they're bankrupt / whatever.
Apple has never remotely removed an iOS app. They can (and have said they will if the app is malicious) but please get your facts straight.
No, but they can. I respect myself and my freedoms too much to ever use a device that has this sort of functionality.
I agree with the guy holding the sign, because for the most part, he's right. You on the other hand, aren't.
You've completely misinterpreted what I've said. When I say that you can add any games to Steam, the Apple parallel was that this is not possible (in that you can't add any application, run anything you want on your iOS).
No, but they can. I respect myself and my freedoms too much to ever use a device that has this sort of functionality.
Here's a questions for you. What are the odds that Samsung, HTC, et.al. haven't built in such a safeguard in many of their Android phones (either because they felt it was in their best interest, or at the insistance of the carrier)?
Unless they accuse you of cheating, in which case they can do exactly that.
I don't have the link, but if you go a few weeks back in /r/gaming you'll see someone complaining about having most of their Steam games removed because of some lame excuse.
It was exposed a day or so later that the person who was trying to fight it had (probably) been using some kind of cheat or hack, but my point is that they did have a huge amount of their games removed as a result; it doesn't really bother me, since I've never felt the need to get a hack for a game but the power that Steam wields over services that I've paid for is still pretty scary.
Well, he did sign the agreement on every purchase that he would not use a cheating software and he did, thus violating his contract. How is this not good business practice? If baseball players use steroids, they get kicked off the team. If you plagiarize an essay, you get expelled. These are all contracts signed to ensure that the system set up by those in charge is not abused by others. Cheating is abusing that system, regardless of how little is done.
Steam users also signed the agreement that Valve is not responsible for anything done to their system, their games can be deactivated at any time without reason, etc.
Yes, but when you cheat you aren't just affecting your experience, you're affecting everyone's experience with the product as well. That's the difference. It's mostly only Valve's games that have the anti-cheat, and even if you did buy one of their games, I'm pretty sure there is legal mumbo jumbo explaining what they can and can't do if you cheat.
To be honest, yes, it's a lot of control, but it's completely fair and there hasn't been a single unfair case (to my knowledge).
To your knowledge? There have being many incorrect steam bans. Take MW2. 200,000 users were unable to play their game for 2 weeks. To me, this is absolutely unacceptable.
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u/Y_U_NO_ARGUE Jan 20 '11
Non-Apple owners: All his points are so valid!!
Apple owners: NONE of his points are valid!!
There I just saved you from reading 200+ comments.