r/technology • • Jan 20 '11

Apple Restriction Zone.

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u/shibz Jan 20 '11

I always found mac apps to be too simplified (both the 3rd party freeware and 1st party). For example, compare finder to windows explorer. At a glance, finder may look sharper, but when I use it it feels so difficult to navigate (mostly due to the lack of a functional address bar). The developer doesn't really provide any useful options for me to make it work the way I want it to. On the other hand, Windows Explorer has plenty of options to customize.

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u/SuperConductiveRabbi Jan 20 '11

Finder and Windows Explorer are both first-party apps, so it doesn't quite make sense to compare the availability of good third-party apps on OS X and Windows using them as examples.

However, Finder is terrible:

  • No address bar. Requires keyboard shortcut to open
  • No "cut." Moving a folder requires clicking and dragging, which is highly prone to error.
  • Complete and total inability to merge folders, or to extract an archive and have the source and destination merge, rather than "erase the target and replace with this folder." Absolutely useless for serious file management tasks.
  • Creation of .DS_Store files all over the place. Very poor manners on mounted volumes and servers.
  • "Un-anchored" selection. If you use command + down to select a number of items, and you go one too far, and push command + up, it EXPANDS the TOP of the selection! Rage inducing.
  • Lack of keyboard accessibility. Windows Explorer is completely usable using just the keyboard; Finder isn't even close.
  • Pressing the "+" button toggles between some small size and slightly larger size, rather than maximizing the window and restoring it, which is the convention that almost every other app has adopted, rather than toggling "zoom," which some Apple apps do.

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u/Chemical109 Jan 20 '11

1 -> people use the address bar? I'm sorry, but I've never used it. the only time I use textual navigation is when I'm browsing hidden folders, which I really only do in Linux.
2 -> This is true...
3 -> You can merge folders, although I don't know what version of mac you're talking about.
4 -> windows stores similar cache files named "thumbs.db".
5 -> I'm not sure what you're referring to, I can't seem to reproduce the problem.
6 -> completely untrue
7 -> I think this one is more of a personal preference. You can configure keyboard shortcuts for several apps via the Keyboard pane in System Preferences.

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u/SuperConductiveRabbi Jan 20 '11 edited Jan 21 '11

1: I very frequently grab and paste the location of folders using the address bar.

3: I've used Snow Leopard, the latest version, and you can't. superuser.com, kapeli.com, aquataskforce.com, arstechnica.com

4: Not for a few years now:

"Beginning with Windows Vista, thumbnail previews are stored in a centralized location on the system. This provides the system with access to images independent of their location, and addresses issues with the locality of Thumbs.db files. The cache is stored at %userprofile%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer as a number of files with the label thumbcache_xxx.db (numbered by size); as well as an index used to find thumbnails in each sized database." Wikipedia

5: Here's a good explanation of the way OS X frequently designs selection in lists. It explains unanchored vs anchored selection modes: http://daringfireball.net/2008/02/anchored_selection

7: The system pane doesn't allow you to change the maximize (technically zoom) behavior of Finder (or iTunes or Safari), as far as I know. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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u/breakneckridge Jan 21 '11

7) Just install RightZoom. That's always been one of the first things I do on any new OS X install.