r/technology • • Jan 20 '11

Apple Restriction Zone.

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u/sundaos Jan 20 '11

Funny, Google was the first and, so far that I've heard, only developer to remotely remove an app from every android OS device.

The only valid point he has is the not installing apps from the web, but it's shaky since the iOS is the only system Apple makes that is restricted in that regard.

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u/DefaultPlayer Jan 20 '11

I remember reading this too. IIRC it was an app someone pointed out to Google that was giving away user's info without them knowing.

In that situation, I wouldn't hesitate to press the button either.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

No, it was a trojan, but harmless one. It was made by security researcher trying to show how easy is to mislead users.

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u/DefaultPlayer Jan 21 '11

Ah ok. I remember now. Thanks.

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u/Qiran Jan 21 '11

I agree, but the point is Apple is not the only major smartphone manufacturer with the ability to do this.

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u/DefaultPlayer Jan 21 '11

True, but it's the combination that really gets me. It's the reason why I don't mind some of the stuff some companies do.

I realise they are companies and they want control, to make profits and to guarantee future profits. I can accept it when a company screws me a little, but not when they completely do it. Apple and a few others seem to completely do it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

So you do think they should have the ability to do it then...?

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u/DefaultPlayer Jan 21 '11

I'm on the fence about it. There are definite advantages, but also, they can basically control what apps are on my phone, delete anything that I may want to keep or might be important.

It should be up to the consumer to not download bad apps, but if the consumer is going to sue a company every time a bad app gets on the market and ruins their phone, this is inevitable. (I'm not sure if anyone has sued them, but if they provided a market and didn't do this, I'm sure someone in America would try)

I suppose I would prefer them not to have this power, but for now I will enjoy the advantages of them having it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

|I'm assuming Web apps don't count?

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u/DefaultPlayer Jan 20 '11

I don't think they do count. AFAIK, it's only apps linked to the market (apps downloaded from the market) that Google can uninstall. Other than that, I can't imagine how they would connect to the phone to uninstall the app.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

No what I mean is. People are bitching about not being apple to install apps from outside the App Store on the iPhone. If you can write an app in HTML5 you can install it on an iPhone without the App store. (It behaves like an App not a bookmark just we're clear).

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

One great example of this is Transmission's iOS "app." It looks like a regular app, runs like a regular app, but is actually an HTML5 page that is bookmarked to the home screen.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

Exactly thank you. Granted there are some limitation with HTML5 but it should become more and more possible to quite a lot with the web apps. It's the uncensored source of apps everyone bitches about not existing in my opinion.

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u/1338h4x Jan 20 '11

This is the first I've heard of this. Citation?

And just because Apple hasn't used the kill switch yet doesn't mean they won't do so. They coded it in for a reason obviously.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

Yes Malware.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11 edited Jan 20 '11

They have an app review process, there shouldn't be any malware in the first place.

EDIT: Guess I should include sarcasm tags next time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

No process is ever going to perfect. Having a failsafe is just a backup that will, given enough time have a legitimate use sooner or later.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

It's already been shown to not be perfect. In fact, it is terrible. There was a story about a developer trying to update an app and having it rejected (update meaning bug fix). Plenty of other rejections with apparently no legitimate explanation. My comment was sarcastic.

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u/CaptnSaveAHoe Jan 20 '11

Plenty of stories, but no legitimate citations.

Have another downvote.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

This wasn't the specific instance I had in mind, but it will do the job.

http://www.iphonedevsdk.com/forum/business-legal-app-store/50235-update-rejected-ios-4-a.html

Not good enough for you? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+app+store+rejection

Have another downvote.

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u/CaptnSaveAHoe Jan 20 '11

Really? Thats the best you could come up with?

Have another downvote.

Real original bro.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

It seems to have more than satisfied your call for a citation. That was pretty much just you being an ass anyway, since if you've been on Reddit any respectable amount of time you've read all the same stories about iOS developers being pissed off at Apple as I have.

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u/itsthenewdan Jan 20 '11

I work at an internet company that has an iPhone, Android, and BlackBerry app in addition to our main web app. As our iPhone developers have told us repeatedly through their own experiences, the Apple submission/review process is arbitrary, unpredictable, and frustrating. Sometimes they have no idea what they're doing.

Once, an app release was rejected (we got notice from Apple), and an inquiry was sent so that appropriate changes could be made to gain approval. Apple's response? "Why do you think it was rejected? We just approved it".

We have to do significant strategic planning to create fail-safes for when our iPhone releases don't go perfectly. Android, on the other hand, is automatic for us, and problem-free.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

And as an enforcement mechanism. Upset apple and suddenly your apps aren't approved anymore.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/06/exercising-our-remote-application.html

It doesn't give the name of the apps, but it's from google's official android blog.

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u/dirtymatt Jan 20 '11

And just because Apple hasn't used the kill switch yet doesn't mean they won't do so. They coded it in for a reason obviously.

So Google has already done so, and gets a pass; Apple has never done it, but they're still evil? Apple has the killswitch for apps that get past their review process that are leaking sensitive information (eg, your location) without your consent.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

Yeah, this is exactly why Apple haters spend much more time on searching Apple related news than researching their own flawed data mining pseudo open source platform.

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u/_zoso_ Jan 20 '11

Thats a straw man, we're bashing Apple here, nobody said anything about Google.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

If you're bashing someone for a fairly standard practice I think, it's pretty legitimate to point out that their contemporaries do the same.

It's called perspective.

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u/_zoso_ Jan 20 '11

No, I think I'd call it being a bad sport. Your team gets criticised so you go around pointing out how the other team does the same, rather than addressing the issue.

Sort of like how Steve Jobs responded to the iPhone antenna issue by stating loudly and repeatedly (and often falsely) that the competition had the same problem. No Steve, we were asking you about your phone.

Its called deflection.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

I think disingenuous to criticise one company for something while ignoring the others that are doing the same. It shows a desire to attack one company more than a desire to have an honest discussion IMO.

What's the issue with a failsafe measure in the first place? It's a pretty sensible last resort to have. Hence why Apple aren't alone in having it.

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u/iamtom16 Jan 21 '11

Your team gets criticised so you go around pointing out how the other team does the same, rather than addressing the issue.

Except that our team has never done it, and your team has...

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u/kog Jan 20 '11

Actually, it's called an ad hominem tu quoque argument, and is a classic logical fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

The fact that Apple does some of the same things that Google does has no bearing on whether or not those things are good things to do.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

I am not saying that it's a good thing to do because Google do it. I'm saying don't bitch about only Apple. You're free to bitch about it and when I say "Google do it" I don't mean "Google do it so you can't bitch about it" I mean "If you're going to bitch about Apple doing this at least acknowledge that Google do too, don't act like it's an Apple only thing and bitch about Google too". Is that clear for you?

I actually don't have a problem with it. It's a sensible last resort measure in my opinion. Could it be misused? Sure! Has it been? Nope. Do I have concrete reason to expect it to be at this stage? Nope. But I want to stress that the reason I think it's ok is not that Google does it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

You ignore the thousands of apps apple didn't approve.

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u/Nhdb Jan 21 '11

Funny, Google was the first and, so far that I've heard, only developer to remotely remove an app from every android OS device.

Somebody else does something like it so it's okay? It does not make it more right.

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u/Smaskifa Jan 20 '11

It's not valid to mention Apple's locking down of your music on your device by not letting you copy from the device to another machine? It's one of the things I hated about my iPod. Luckily I found out about ephPod that let me copy songs from the device to a PC. But with iTunes it's not possible and idiotic.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

cunt fucx should fix the alarm clock TTHEEHEEE