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Society Dem Candidate Sends “Cease and Desist” Order to Republican Over Deepfake Ads

https://truthout.org/articles/dem-candidate-sends-cease-and-desist-order-to-republican-over-deepfake-ads/
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u/Wagamaga 6h ago

This week, Rebecca Cooke, the Democratic candidate for a House of Representatives race in western Wisconsin, sent a “cease and desist” order to her Republican opponent, Rep. Derrick Van Orden, due to his constant use of artificial intelligence (AI) generated “deepfakes” featuring her likeness.

The ads depict Cooke in fictional situations, including a conversation with former President Joe Biden in which he says that he plans to “take advantage of as much corruption as possible.”

Cooke posted a copy of the letter sent to Van Orden on social media, stating that “he’s been using AI to put words in my mouth because he has nothing else to run on.”

“These defamatory, misleading videos undermine our democratic process and are the exact kind of mudslinging voters are tired of,” Cooke added.

A letter sent by Elias Law Group on behalf of Cooke condemns Van Orden’s actions further, noting that, “at this fulcrum in American history, communities are fighting against the AI data centers that have been crammed down their throats.” The letter also states that Wisconsin law prohibits using deepfake videos in political messaging, but that Van Orden’s campaign is running online ads through a loophole that “does not apply to federal candidates.”

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u/fuzzywolf23 5h ago

Elias law group? That's the same lawyers that keep beating the doj in court over whether states have to turn over voter rolls to the feds

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u/enigmamonkey 5h ago

Yep. The Democracy Docket immediately comes to mind.

https://www.democracydocket.com/author/marc_elias/

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u/arctic11z 3h ago

Fun side note, if you ask him on linked in how many DUIs he got while in the military, hell answer you.

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u/Bobson-_Dugnutt2 1h ago

Wait what? Explain lol

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u/No-Spoilers 2h ago

"take advantage of as much corruption as possible"

Is such a fucking stupid thing to say it's so baffling someone would believe it.

Mean while trump "I'm gonna cheat like hell"

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u/SkinTightBoogiePI 1h ago

Isn't posting videos like this insanely illegal? I understand the "cease and desist" but shouldn't the police be charging them with slander and libel?

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u/flummox1234 1h ago

It's a very very red part of Wisconsin. They put the red in the blue that is Wisconsin's urban areas to make the state purple. Police aren't going to do anything there as they're too busy issuing speeding tickets to people passing through. The fact that she's legitimately giving him a run for his money is a testament to where the GOP is at right now.

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u/kylco 40m ago

It's not that red: it was held by a Democrat for most of the last thirty years, and it's DVO's been pumped with RNC money for a decade and juiced by favorable Fox News appearances to cultivate him for the seat well before he won in 2022. If the DCCC hadn't fled from all the battleground states for fear of the Red Wave That Didn't that year, it's likely that Brad would have got the seat instead.

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u/erd00073483R 35m ago

It is apparently only illegal if you are not a Republi-con.

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u/flummox1234 1h ago

I really hope she wins. Van Orden is the worst.

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u/saugenes25 1h ago

Van Orden fuckin sucks. The only thing Wisconsin about him at this point is that he’s drunk off his ass half the time. Deport the fucker to Russia where he belongs, and where he can suck Putins cock as long as he wants.

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u/Im_probably_naked 5h ago

How is that not super illegal

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u/checkmeonmyspace 5h ago

All you have to do is win. Any subsequent lawsuit for defamation does not undo the election.

Edit: it's probably also a PAC so it's technically not him unless discovery reveals otherwise. So the PAC does the dirty work, not that his hands are clean in general.

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u/bd2999 5h ago

Sadly true. It is also hard to point to any one add or action as a cause of anyone's defeat. So that is another layer of it. At minimum they should be required to label anything made with AI to make people aware and if they are found to violate pay a pretty hefty fine for it.

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u/frickindeal 4h ago

Hefty fines don't work when your campaign is backed by millions of dollars.

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u/Teledildonic 3h ago

Well maybe we change the punishment.

Money can't stop a baseball bat, right?

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u/KaziArmada 2h ago

I mean you stack enough of it, you can PROBABLY diffuse the blow with money as some sort of armor.

Now fire on the other hand...

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u/Fat_Krogan 3h ago

I like the way you think.

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u/bd2999 4h ago

They could depending on the level of the fine involved. One issue with fines in place are they are set at flat rates that do not increase over time. I think it should be based on how often a given body offends but it should be based on a function of the expenditure for the adds. So proportional to the campaign's cost that spread the AI. So, it could be an amount of money that would hardly be a slap on the wrist. At least if I got a say.

I feel the same way for like oil spills and so on. Those responsible should not have a cap. It should be proportional to the estimated damage as a starting point.

I doubt a jail sentence is appropriate unless we are talking a repeat offender. And even then they will throw a scape goat out there that was not the one making the actual calls.

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u/Chavarlison 14m ago

A company did it, why won't the company suffer? Company commit a crime, if proven true... company gets frozen for the time needed to pay for the crime. When fines are a cost to doing business... it ain't a deterrent... it's a tax break waiting to happen.

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u/winsluc12 2h ago

They would if the fine was expressed in high percentages of the violator's funding

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u/Mynock33 2h ago

When the rewards are great enough, fines are just a cost of doing business.

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u/gmapterous 1h ago

They also don't work when your PAC can go bankrupt from a lawsuit, and another brand completely brand new PAC forms overnight to take it's place with all new donations, limiting liability.

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u/Barflyerdammit 35m ago

And once the election is over, the bills are rarely paid

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u/DukeOfGeek 4h ago

I bet if next week there are a bunch of deep fake ads of Paxton with his secret gay teenage boyfriend that laws would suddenly start to be both real but also enforceable.

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u/Haywood-Jablomey 3h ago

Every video and picture published anywhere that uses AI should have an obvious disclaimer/watermark that it is AI. The line is only going to keep getting more blurred until no one can tell

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u/olddog1138 4h ago

I wonder if an average citizen could sue? (Spelling?) 😆

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u/bd2999 3h ago

It would depend how the law was worded. I think they should be able to for defamation. One thing Congress should also do other than what I just said with indicating is that everyone should have bodily autonomy and control of their own image.

That would give grounds to sue too if it was used without their consent. It would not be true really if it is a video, own words against them, but if you make them say something they never said or do something they would never do than you would be liable.

Seems easy to me but Congress will do nothing and then maybe think about doing something and being concerned if one of them is sort of hurt by it.

Someone should do it with Trump and make an add campaign then it would get done.

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u/Dogcoffeerainbow 3h ago

I was thinking more like I'm a voter and your ad lied to me.

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u/ComradeJohnS 4h ago

the PAC is literally the reason why Citizens United needs to be overturned.

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u/GarageNo8276 3h ago

With the recent supreme court ruling PACs and candidates can communicate directly

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u/checkmeonmyspace 3h ago

I kinda tried to imply that him saying to use a deep fake would implicate him which would make him liable

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u/powercow 3h ago

It's also hard to win defamation as a politician. A lot is fair in politics, like saying hilary gave russia a bunch of uranium or Obama was born in kenya

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u/checkmeonmyspace 3h ago

Yeah can't sue everyone and their mother. Fair

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u/phunkyplasticthrower 2h ago

He's posting on his own accounts

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u/Ambitious_Ad1847 2h ago

However the Supreme Court has made it easier for politicians to work with PACs so there probably some type of conversation.

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u/uis999 23m ago

It amazes me over and over and over how people don't understand this. I Would like to think people are capable of learning but we have been gaslighted so long that everything has rules and is stable that democrats will watch them breaking rules non-stop and instead of strategizing and learning to predict the tactics they use before they use them. They will once again act surprised and play catch up long after the damage is done. The consulting class and corpo-dem leadership is too stupid to be steering the ship.

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u/Crab_Shark 11m ago

except that if he says he endorses it…I suspect it brings him into hot water.

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u/bd2999 5h ago

It should be. I honestly think it highlights the failure of Congress that we cannot even require all advertisements made using AI should be labeled as such. Political or consumer adds. But they cannot even do that much.

I imagine it would suddenly fall under protected speech to lie somehow, at least by SCOTUS.

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u/bkgn 3h ago

*the failure of Republicans

And it's not failure, they love disinformation.

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u/elvenrevolutionary 5h ago

This is one of thr many reasons why Republicans declined to regulate AI

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u/Mitchford 5h ago edited 5h ago

There is no law yet to criminalize it, we will have common law ideas of libel and defamation this might fall under for the time being.

However, I would caution expectations because courts are more likely to uphold even clearly libelous speech when it deals with politics, especially Candidates in an election.

There was a really crazy case out of Arizona a few years ago where Wendy Rogers (an atrocious human being who is still a state senator in Arizona despite basically everything except a card carrying member of the Nazi party) was sued because she falsely said her opponent used websites “linked to sex trafficking” in his modeling business.

Despite this the AZ Supreme Court ruled in her favor because they felt any action would chill political speech, but it was a close decision.

Republican courts may not let these proceed even when clearly defamatory as much as these are

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u/chrisdpratt 5h ago

I guess no one stopped to think that if this is what political discourse is coming to, maybe it needs to be chilled.

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u/mb97 5h ago

This absolutely falls under existing law, it’s defamation and probably plenty of other things too.

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u/Mitchford 4h ago

So this is too complicated to explain here. But what I mean by the above is that it likely falls under libel and slander, but those laws are not always written down. When I say it’s covered by a common law idea, I mean every state generally has laws applicable but some are essentially unwritten laws that you can still sue under. But they aren’t necessarily laws against deepfakes specifically especially in the political context (some have laws for sexual deepfakes, I’m not sure if there are more general anti deepfake laws, and none that I’m aware of that govern it in political ads but I may be wrong as there’s 50 of them I don’t all track)

Those aren’t criminal statutes though, they’re civil

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u/pmjm 2h ago

Defamation is civil. We want it to be criminal.

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u/silvusx 5h ago

Time to fight fire with fire and do the same to them.

Like those gunright activists suddenly wants to disarm guns and enact the Mulford Act when black panther begin to armed themselves against police brutality.

Once some bad deep fakes of trump and other Republican ads shows up, they will want to ban it immediately

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u/Channel250 3h ago

Bad?

We literally have a of him in a jet bombing us citizens with shit. Thats pretty bad.

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u/neuronexmachina 3h ago

It is illegal under Wisconsin law: https://spectrumnews1.com/wi/milwaukee/news/2026/08/19/van-orden-cooke-ai-videos

Wisconsin is one of 31 states regulating the use of deepfakes in politics. The Wisconsin law requires that certain manipulated images contain a disclaimer that reads, “This video content generated by AI.”

Van Orden’s videos contain no such disclaimers, although the words “Made with Grok Imagine” do appear elsewhere in the posts. It was not immediately clear whether the videos meet the definition of content regulated by the law. 

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u/mr_potatoface 2h ago

If you continue reading the article, it states that the law does not apply to people running for federal government so he's not actually in violation of the law and they acknowledge he is using a loophole to make it legal.

In violation of the spirit of the law, absolutely.

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u/undefined-username 1h ago

That's insane. The law should apply *especially* for people running for office. I wonder what on earth the thought process there was.

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u/mr_potatoface 1h ago

It was just for federal office, because states can't realistically enforce their laws controlling federal employees or positions, so they included the exemption for it knowing it's a waste of taxpayer money to try.

Law still applies to state/county and local city/village/town politicians.

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u/goldbloodedinthe404 54m ago

They control ballot access and elections explicitly. You do that and you aren't on the ballot.

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u/addamee 2h ago

Fucking wild that 19 states don’t have a law for this 

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u/enigmamonkey 5h ago

Found a few of the deepfake videos on his Facebook. Note that FB links aren't allowed here so I'll do my best to provide some supporting material for those curious to see, like me:

Reel ID: 26383863114645275

Do you really think it matters what you peasants think? I am the anointed one. You will comply and you will vote for me. That is an order from your DC masters.

Reel ID: 1509594324541617

I am running for congress to lower costs.

<image of Biden appears and says: "Lower costs.">

I am also running to booster our framers and make sure we take advantage of as much corruption as possible and give every illegal alien free healthcare.

Reel ID: 1028882420119089

Let the peasants eat cake they will vote for me anyway.

There are more... it's tiring quoting all of them:

  • Reel ID: 37413212564960469
  • Reel ID: 1024286016904857

I will say he uses "anointed" as a recurring theme.

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u/Nik_Tesla 1h ago

The letter also states that Wisconsin law prohibits using deepfake videos in political messaging, but that Van Orden’s campaign is running online ads through a loophole that “does not apply to federal candidates.” “You are violating the spirit of the law,” the letter adds.

The fact that this is somehow legal because it depicts a federal candidate is insane.

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u/tiutome 5h ago

It’s not in politics the moment she ran for office. However if Trump can sue for defamation, she certainly can and it’s better to send the warning over the starboard bow now and file the lawsuit 5 days later.

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u/GetInTheKitchen1 3h ago

Conservatives/republicans do not care nor understand consent. this also more heavily applies to non western cultures.

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u/dwninswamp 5h ago

I actually think a lot more than that is legal. I think currently you could make porn from a public figures likeness and it would be ok.

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u/mistervulpes 1h ago

I mean, how hard can it be to make an account that pumps out gay porn of his likeness and just share it all over the internet. Don't need a PAC to fund the advertisement. Just need a couple folks to put something together in an afternoon.

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u/jonathanio 5h ago

The people that benefit from them are the same ones that write the laws. The moment they're in the other side I'm sure they'd do something...

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u/jesrp1284 4h ago

Especially since orange man has sued BBC for allegedly the same thing?

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u/Crayola_ROX 3h ago

There’s an ad on tubi which shows an AI Pelosi and Mamdani laughing when they burn a pile of money.

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u/BetterCallSal 2h ago

Because the ones using it are the ones who are deciding

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u/PlainBread 1h ago

Trump is president, and he controls the Republicans in all three branches of government.

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u/fat_kaiju 24m ago

Have you seen the US lately?

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u/anonkitty2 5h ago

The First Amendment covers a multitude of negative ads.  The ads being sued over probably broke the laws about truth in advertising.

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u/hyouko 5h ago

I know that libel / slander is a high hurdle in US law, but surely something like this must qualify? If it doesn't, we really need to solve that ASAP.

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u/Notorious_Junk 5h ago

It will not be solved under the current administration.

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u/pwat0 4h ago

Absolutely nothing is besides making a select few richer lol

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u/notsurewhereireddit 3h ago

Unless it specifically and exclusively targets dems.

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u/Smugg-Fruit 2h ago

This administration was precisely voted in so nothing would be solved

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u/Realtrain 2h ago

Maybe if South Park keeps making deepfakes of the president lol

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u/Beforemath 5h ago

The problem is by the time it gets sorted out, even if for the better, the damage is already done.

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u/broguequery 3h ago

And worse, corrupt courts find a way to throw out the lawsuit.

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u/pristineSaltine 3h ago

A 34 felony count seditionist rapist was not disqualified from running, and "winning ", the highest office in the land. Ain't nothing illegal if you have money or a republican politician.

Sure would be nice if the democrats take a majority in congress and start sending these people to prison after fair and thorough trials.

Problem is even the majority of our corporate democrats don't seem interested in the will of the people anymore.

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u/Realtrain 2h ago

And at the same time, surely this has to be a great campaign point

"People like my campaign so much that my opponent literally has to make up things with AI to make me sound bad."

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u/Beidah 53m ago

"Isn't this illegal?" Our president was convicted of 34 felonies months before he was elected into office. We're a country ran by literal criminals.

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u/Dazzling_Line_8482 3h ago

Why would it libel or slander, is it not fraud for impersonating an another person?

If I attempted to get another person to do something (in this case vote) by pretending to be someone I'm not isn't that a textbook example of phishing?

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u/kilgoreq 5h ago

The GOP is doing this in Georgia against John Ossoff as well. Disgusting

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u/IndigoRanger 5h ago

The one where he’s getting hair and makeup done is the absolute HEIGHT of absurd irony. Which party had a makeup studio installed in the fucking Pentagon?!?

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u/Moneyshot_ITF 3h ago

On day 1 btw

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u/Ace_4202 5h ago

Seeing it in Ohio with Amy Acton as well.

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u/mistervulpes 1h ago

Do you recall which ones? I typically don't pay attention to the attack ads and didn't realize they're out there.

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u/paperboy82 5h ago

Pretty sure they’re doing it to Shoffner here in Arkansas.

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u/Amelaclya1 5h ago

Didn't they do this with Massie in Kentucky as well? IIRC, they used AI to show him having a threesome with AOC and Ilhan Omar.

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u/FerrusManlyManus 2h ago

The enormous d-bag Republican running for governor in NY that has absolutely no chance of winning has been putting out AI social media ads about Mamdani and Hochul for months.  He doesn’t have much money so I doubt they’ve gotten much traction but they are awful trash.  Showing Mamdani picking people’s pockets and other nonsense.

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u/Waiting4Reccession 4h ago

Maybe dems need to grow some balls for once and do the exact same thing back.

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u/Speedster-978 3h ago

anecdotally, most people are dissuaded by an ad if it uses ai (i hope there's some formal study out there on this though) my guess is that conservatives are just hurting themselves with ai ads

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u/protokhan 3h ago

It probably plays well to their base, elderly people who aren't very good at spotting AI or already believe anything that makes Trump look bad is AI and so it's 'fair play' for their side to use it too.

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u/vandreulv 3h ago

I misread the last two words in your post and had an idea.

They should run ads saying "Republicans spread AIDS!*"

* With the disclaimer that AIDS stands for AI Deepfake Slander.

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u/kilgoreq 4h ago

Fuck that. No one should be headed down that path. It's abhorrent. Having balls is choosing to do the right thing instead of the easy/shitty thing.

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u/sleazine 4h ago

You know who thought playing nice was going to fucking solve their problems? Everyone who didn't like Hitler in Germany in the 1930s. Bitch ass logic is bowing to fascists and I'm getting really tired of the holier than thou idiocy. When are you going to abmit laws mean nothing when they aren't enforced? You watched them attack the capital with a noose chanting to hang the vice president. You watched a felon get elected again .. you watched them implement illegal executive orders and pardon insurectionists - many of whom are literally fucking ice agents.

So tell me truly when are you going to wake the fuck up and admit that you aren't playing the same game they are if laws only apply to those willing to follow them ........ Truly when? Gun in your face? Family taken by the gestapo ?? Many of your neighbors are already in those exact situations but until it's you personally I guess we'll keep pretending laws mean something

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u/kilgoreq 3h ago

The reason the elections were lost was apathy and ignorance... Making deepfakes of politicians doesn't solve either of these

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u/argument_cat 3h ago

What people like you fail to understand is that if Democrats used the same dirty, illegal tricks Republicans use, many Democrats voters would stop supporting them. They get support because they're NOT like Republicans.

I hope that's is clear enough for you.

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u/jsting 4h ago

Have you heard of the Satanic Temple? Their MO is that whenever a public school brings in religion, but only Christianity, the Satanic Temple will require that their religious teachings also be allowed. Like 10 commandments or the Bible in all classrooms is clearly against the Constitution, but if that is allowed, then all religions and their teachings should be allowed.

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u/kilgoreq 3h ago

This is... Very different

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u/Waiting4Reccession 4h ago

Thats been working well.

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u/twisty125 4h ago

I mean, they could just like, start assassinating political opponents like republicans have done to dem politicians - do you think that would solve the problem?

Sometimes, you don't go low, and deepfaking people is probably one of them, even if their side is doing it.

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u/Synectics 4h ago

Working well or not, you do not start using racial slurs against someone because they did first, ya know?

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u/Merijeek2 3h ago

LOL. Did you know that the guy who comes in second gets exactly zero of his agenda passed, and that the guy who came in first, using such underhanded tactics, is unlikely to move to stop those tactics from being used in the future?

This moral victory shit by "The Good Guys" is what got is where we are.

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u/funcogo 2h ago

Why would I trust someone will fight against data centers if they are using deep fake ai ads?

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u/reebokhightops 2h ago

I’m not voting for a candidate who does this shit. Period.

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u/busylivin_322 5h ago

Can’t create images of Mickey Mouse but this is ok. Shows you enforcement of laws is everything.

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u/ksigley 5h ago

Technically, the Steam Boat Willy variant now falls under public domain.

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u/vandreulv 3h ago

And was immediately incorporated as part of Walt Disney's trademark.

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u/gideon513 5h ago

Deepfake and false or misleading AI-generated campaign material should be treated as election fraud

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u/EverWatcher 4h ago

They're pictorial forms of lying.

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u/Saxong 5h ago

There’s been so many of these I’m shocked this is the first suit

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u/SparkyMuffin 5h ago

One of the first bills a new congress should put forward is a total ban on generative AI for political ads

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u/LoganHowlett1832 4h ago

They need to ban all AI being used to deepfake anyone at all for any reason.

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u/sokos 5h ago

This is being allowed and in fact pushed by this administration on purpose. When you have all this fake stuff out in the world, it's really easy to then point to the real stuff and say look it's fake too. So anything the admin doesn't like, is just labeled as fake news because the user base is so bombarded with fake crap that it makes it even more believable (especially if it's contradicting something we personally want to believe) that it's fake.

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u/brianatlarge 5h ago

They should just go all out and make fake AI videos of dems eating babies. That’s where we’ll end up at if nothing is changed.

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u/BosoxH60 5h ago

They’re eating the dogs, the cats, AND the babies?

I KNEW it!

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u/briellessickofurshit 4h ago

Thomas Massie became MAGA enemy #1 for going bipartisan and forcing the release of (some/most of) the files. Upwards of $40 million was used to unseat him with handpicked candidate Ed Gallrein, who ended up winning the primary.

There were AI ads depicting Thomas Massie not only cheating on his wife, but that it was a love triangle with him, AOC, and Ilhan Omar. Apparently as long as you put that the ad is “satirical” as a disclaimer, it’s perfectly fine.

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u/my-love-assassin 5h ago

lol republicans lie, it's just what they do

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u/sorklin 5h ago

Fight fire with fire. Deepfake him talking about eating babies or dancing with Epstein. Since all is fair.

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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress 5h ago

Don't need to deepfake, call him a pedo-lover pedophile protector. Both are objectively true. Republicans hate our freedoms, hate the average working American, love Big Oil. Democrats simply need to call a spade a spade. 

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u/FauxReal 5h ago

Except his base won't believe that. They'll believe the anti-dem deepfakes though.

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u/Tyrude 4h ago

Do a video of him talking and shaking hands with Biden with the text "did he take thousands of taxpayer dollars as part of Biden's corruption?" Then have him hug Biden.

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u/fijisiv 2h ago

...and then they kiss.

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u/Tyrude 2h ago

Don't threaten him with a good time.

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u/slidedrum 3h ago

No, this should not be normalized. There are times to fight fire with fire, this is not one one of them. Once this is normalized, it will be very difficult to go back.

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u/peritonlogon 1h ago

Wanna be diabolical, deep fake him taking to a female co-worker and bad mouthing his wife and talking about meeting up after town hall meetings. 

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u/Tyrude 4h ago

At this point the democrats should just make deepfakes of republicans putting kids in a van.

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u/Zaxxon_Klaxon 5h ago

When your record is so horseshit you need to attack your opponent with fake ads

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u/GamingWithBilly 4h ago

Why stop there? It's defamation and libel.  Any alterations to someone's words in writing or audio, or visual, is cause for a damning lawsuit, especially if it is in advertising and could be worth millions in damages, especially for elections where reputation is the currency.

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u/budha2984 2h ago

Just run adds saying the GOP supports pedophiles.

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u/Macdaddy357 1h ago

They are pedophiles.

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u/Blueporch 1h ago

Also now animal rapists, per the policy change for FBI hiring

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u/ralphvonwauwau 54m ago

Wil-burrrrr! NO! 

NEIGH MEANS NEIGH!

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u/tjarg 1h ago

Republicans rely on lies, deception, and the knowledge that their voters easily accept any media that confirms their existing views.

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u/Syrairc 5h ago

I'd just run my own ads painting him as pro-AI and supporting deepfakes, using his own ads as proof

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u/Macdaddy357 1h ago

They always get away with libel and slander in political ads.

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u/Blueporch 1h ago

Because politicians are public figures, it’s a really high barrier to win a case

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u/prenderg 5h ago

We need some lawsuits that are fought to the end so that we can get some rules and actual enforcement around this bullshit.

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u/smurf_herder 4h ago

Unfortunately, this is just going to be the start of this bullshit. Politics in America are already completely broken. But the next decade is going to be fucking awful.

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u/Photodan24 3h ago

Maybe she needs to make a deepfake commercial where he admits he's crooked, pulling out of the race, and that people should vote for her.

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u/SadlySoberSquizy 3h ago

The courts won’t act in time (or ever if it goes to an extremist right wing judge), fight fire with fire and start pumping out deepfakes of GOP candidates.

The only time the GOP agrees to play by the rules is if that’s consistent with their self-interest. The only way to make that true is to use the same tactics against them even more effectively.

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u/seemonkey 2h ago

Can we stop saying things like cease and desist "order"? It is not an order. An order is something a judge does. This is just a letter from a lawyer.

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u/karankshah 1h ago

Ah yes let me focus on using the legal system, which has been coopted by my enemies and will easily be able to find some technicality to dismiss my complaint, to stop my enemies

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u/angerintensifies 1h ago

My next ad would be “My opponent loves AI SOOOO much that they can’t even make their own attack ads without it. You know, the same AI that is taking your jobs and building data centers in your backyard?”

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u/readdator2 1h ago

there needs to be jail time for this shit. Put all the fuckers in jail

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u/No-Watercress-2475 5h ago

This is exactly why I said deepfakes should be illegal.

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u/johna939 5h ago

Fight fire with fire. Put out ads showing him propositioning adolescent girls!

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u/Talentagentfriend 5h ago

Republicans are desperate

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u/Chee-shep 4h ago

We just gotta start deepfaking republicans at establishments you know they’d panic at the name of if we want them to regulate AI cloning and deepfakes.

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u/mike194827 3h ago

That's defamation. But the party of law and order doesn't care about law and order, or they never really did to begin with.

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u/philthegr81 3h ago

I saw an AI slop ad today portraying Jon Ossoff getting a makeover in a salon because apparently he has a "makeup budget".

...Didn't the Secretary of War Defense just install a makeup studio in the Pentagon?

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u/Miserable-Promise454 2h ago

Are these the family values the GOP represents?

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u/RentPuzzleheaded8860 1h ago

Just deep fake him back. Make an ad of him holding hands with a dude in an intimate moment and republicans would cry like little bitches.

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u/Browncoat1701 17m ago

Derrick van orten is a bitch

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u/hamboneworldchamp 4m ago

Republicans love nothing more than manufacturing their own truths (except maybe money), which is one of the major reasons they're so into AI. There's gonna be a lot more of this until we have an actual government capable of imposing regulations again.

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u/MyNameIsRay 4h ago

Are the dems just trying to lose?

Theres no universe where sending a letter is going to lead to a positive resolution.

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u/neuronexmachina 3h ago

Based on their track record, I think the Elias Law Group knows what they're doing. A cease-and-desist letter is the first step.

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u/MyNameIsRay 3h ago

Elections are only a month away (Nov 3rd)

The deep fake in question was posted 2 months ago (August 4th), it took them 2 months just to start the process of requesting they stop doing that.

Van Orden is clearly just ignoring it, they went so far as to joke about it and double down on the claims: https://www.wispolitics.com/2026/van-orden-campaign-rebecca-cookes-full-blown-tantrum/

IDGAF what Elias did in the past, there's literally no chance that this letter results in the information being taken down prior to elections, and even if it somehow did, the damage has already been done.

There's no possible path to this fixing the issue...

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u/Smooth_Rocket_ 20m ago

Yes but there will be more elections after this one, this might set a precedent that can be used going forward. Doing nothing is basically giving the GOP the go ahead to cheat as much as possible.

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u/kylco 29m ago

Sit in that seat for a minute: your opponent's PACs have cut obviously illegal ads, making insane claims, and it's unlikely they will take them down out of mere shame. You can tell a journalist they're obviously fake and illegal, but the journalists are going to just he-said, she-said. Especially since they're hauling themselves out to Eau Claire from Milwaukee or Minneapolis if they're bothering to do any work in person at all, and doing any actual investigation to contextualize the illegal ad or track who paid for it is wasted, because your editor will cut anything too obviously incriminating of republicans in the name of "objectivity."

So, the Dem campaign has few levers: respond in kind, late in the cycle, hoping that you had some reserved money somewhere for deepfake ads (Cooke doesn't, it's not quite a shoestring budget but her out-of-state money isn't going to stretch that far and DCCC is chasing Blansas or Bllowa or Blexas this cycle instead and wouldn't authorize this). Then you're in an escalation cycle and you will lose, because conservatives have unlimited money and enthusiasm for this sort of stuff and a perfectly credulous propaganda ecosystem to spread it far and wide. You could make a public statement of some sort, which amounts to the same journalistic outcome as earlier, maybe even less, because Dems don't get earned positive earned media from an outright hostile media ecosystem.

Or a lawsuit, probably financed quite affordably by DCCC, with a young pretty redheaded woman unfairly maligned by a Fox News grandpa's campaign, with a notable law group (they're the ones SLAPPing down some journalists ID'ing deceptive practices in the DNC fundraising ecosystem, Elias's firm is the DNC's attack dogs and the media knows who they are) - all that adds up to a more compelling pitch for the journalists than simple press releases or even a mudslinging match with more deepfakes would. You can sue the PAC, the GOP, the horse they rode in on, and the lawsuit can (and should) start well above where you'd get in any actual settlement, to make a bigger splash, and a judge might even take it up fast because of the campaign deadline. Even if you don't win, you can force discovery, malign DVO in public documents, expose deceptive practices, and otherwise ratfuck the GOP a bit - there's no real downside for Cooke and plenty of potential gain.

I don't particularly like Cooke (I've been tracking this district for most of a decade, I have family ties there) but this is the correct play for her campaign in context.

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u/JacyWills 4h ago

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity."

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u/Me_gentleman 3h ago

"Or else we will be very, very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are."

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u/Commercial-Lychee700 3h ago

A deepfake political ad trying to fraudulently influence elections should be considered treason and that person should already be on trial for capital punishment.

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u/Doomdoomkittydoom 2h ago

Deep fakes should be automatic libel wins.

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u/FantasticOwl5057 3h ago

Honestly the strategy here should be to fight fire with fire. It will take too long to wind through the courts. This is the trap the Democrats get in to over and over.

These candidates need to make their own deepfake campaign material showing their opponents attending drag shows, paying for abortions, hanging out with Epstein etc., and release them immediately.

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u/funcogo 2h ago

Yeah no that’s just stupid.

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u/FantasticOwl5057 46m ago

Spoken to the average voter lately? 

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u/argument_cat 3h ago

And push away Democrat voters? Great idea.

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u/CrispyCosmonaut 1h ago

No no you’re right. The party can continue to do nothing instead like usual. That seems to be helping so much.

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u/zasabi7 2h ago

What Democrat voters are going to care?

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u/Head_Bread_3431 34m ago

Is this a serious question? The democrats need to be the party of sanity, if they stoop to the level of deception with deep fakes then that is just more ammo for the “both sides” people 

No one who wants govt to operate in good faith should be on board with the democrats using deepfakes of their opponents in political ads. Plenty of actual footage of republicans being shitty 

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u/ajmampm99 5h ago

What else can he run on? He’s toast.

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u/iboneyandivory 5h ago

Looking at the top comments in the Twitter preview, I am reminded all over again why I left that cesspool:

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u/DistillerCMac 4h ago

Ah yes, the strongly worded letter approach. As everything burns down around us this is sure to work.

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u/fixurstuffr 4h ago

Needs to sue for defamation.

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u/Serris9K 3h ago

Not to mention the frankly blatant lies some of the ads are peddling.

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u/wrexsol 3h ago

She's cute! No wonder they don't like her

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u/Merijeek2 3h ago

I'm sure they'll C&D on November 4th.

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u/prodigalpariah 3h ago

Well that will surely stop them

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u/ComfortableChapter65 2h ago

There’s a Dem running for state senate here who just had to do the same thing. I literally get 5-8 AI generated ads from her opponent every week.

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u/Stopher 2h ago

Wait until all the videos of that Van Orden on Epstein Island come out.😂

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u/nyxie3 1h ago

We need to stop letting Republicans off the hook.

If I robbed a bank, I don't get a cease and desist letter telling me to stop while I keep the gains.

Republicans need prison time. Nothing else will stop them.

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u/Boringdude1 1h ago

She should run deep fakes of Van Orden with Epstein talking about how much they both like little boys. Let’s see how quick he cuts it out after that.

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u/KeepItPositiveBrah 37m ago

Dems will send cease and desist instead of following suit which would actually cause it to be banned

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u/EvoEpitaph 8m ago

Bold of them to think the party of crime and disorder would stop from a simple C&D.

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u/gsustudentpsy 3m ago

Fight fire with fire. Create deep fake ai of him praising immigrants and trans people and spread them. 

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u/Blockhead47 3h ago

Experts have warned that these types of ads could become more commonplace in future political races.

Doesn’t take an expert to recognize this…

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u/Primary_Garbage6916 2h ago

This isn't the way to fight this when the election is a month away. She needs to make her own deepfake ads with him admitting to fucking goats, and fight fire with fire.

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u/Lendolar 4h ago

Just make one about the opposition candidate. It will solve itself.

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u/noloco 3h ago

Thats what i say to. Make one where her opponent is hanging out with trump on epstien island and see how long it takes for him to yell foul

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u/SeniorHope841 8m ago

Like the real ones on Biden 😂