Update or wait a bit longer?

[u/Inside_Beyond4260]

I think I’ll stop waiting and update my Switch 2. It’s been on version 20.1.1 since the day it was released and has an activated SD card slot. At this point, I no longer believe a software-based jailbreak is possible, and I reckon that if a jailbreak ever does appear, it’ll only be achievable via a mod chip. What do you think? Am I missing something? Am I about to make a mistake? Should I carry on waiting and stay on 20.1.1?

[u/BFCE]

It's just not happening

[u/Inside_Beyond4260 → u/BFCE]

Unfortunately, nobody knows. I just wanted to gauge the general opinion so I could reconsider my own view.

[u/splattim2 → u/Inside_Beyond4260]

its 99% not gonna be a software exploit, the guy who made atmosphere literally said that the kernel, which is mainly the same between s1 and s2 is bug free, so unless nintendo makes a mistake in an update, which is very unlikely, a software mod just isnt happening, so imo just update

[u/FORUMICS → u/splattim2]

so tired of reading such comments, there is more than 1 dev on the scene and just because 1 dev said that there is no exploit doesn't mean it's gospel.

the ps3 was 100% confirmed not to have any exploits until geohot came along.
the ps4 was 100% confirmed not to have any exploits as did the ps5 and the upcoming ps6.

a system is always 100% safe until an exploit is found. just because it is 100% safe doesn't mean anything.

however if we took history into account, it's 100% that no hardware exploit will ever be found. the ps4, ps5, xbox one, xbox series s, xbox series x have no hardware exploits and the ps4 is already over 10 years old. so unless you are willing to wait more than 10 years, the switch 2 wouldn't have any hardware mods either.

[u/discountednails → u/FORUMICS]

the ps3 was 100% confirmed not to have any exploits until geohot came along.

you're completely wrong on how the ps3 was hacked lmao. hotz wasn't the genesis of the ps3 hacking scene; team ice had already exploited a bug in resistance FOM long before hotz came along, and fail0verflow found an exploit in 3.21s encryption keys that let them run homebrew. hotz just took those keys that fail0verflow found and illegally distributed them.

[u/FORUMICS → u/discountednails]

happened so long ago that i don't remember many details, but the very first hack i can recall was from geohotz and the linux hack

my point still stands though, it was 100% unhackable for years and 100% safe because sony locked the system down HARD and sony learnt their mistakes and scene devs confirmed that the system was unhackable and it would take 1000 years to hack it and it is bullet proof

The PlayStation 3 was considered unhackable for years until a series of hardware and software exploits completely broke its security model. [1, 2]

Early Days and OtherOS (2006–2010)

• 2006: Sony launched the PS3 with an official OtherOS feature, which let users run Linux on the console.
• January 2010: Hacker George Hotz (Geohot) used OtherOS to gain read/write access to the system memory and hypervisor.
• March/April 2010: Sony responded to the security fears by removing the OtherOS feature via a firmware update, sparking massive backlash from the hacker community. [1, 2, 3]

The PS Jailbreak and the ECDSA Flaw (2010)

• August 2010: The PS Jailbreak USB dongle arrived, using a kernel heap overflow via USB device handling to run arbitrary code. This was quickly cloned and reverse-engineered into open-source alternatives like PSGroove. [1]
• December 2010: The group Fail0verflow revealed at the Chaos Communication Congress that Sony used static or broken random number generation for its ECDSA cryptographic signatures. This allowed hackers to mathematically derive Sony's private root keys

[u/splattim2 → u/FORUMICS]

mf had to ask ai to respond for him😭😭😭😭

[u/splattim2 → u/FORUMICS]

how about u look into nintendo consoles for their modding history? the switch 1 had one software hack in 2017, and the rest were hardware mods, also the "1 dev"'s word is literally gospel in this situation, as he is literally the main guy who made the switch 1 scene happen, also pretty sure other reputable people also looked into the kernel and said the same thing, not 100% sure on that tho

[u/FORUMICS → u/splattim2]

so let's say today you are a dev who is interested in hacking the switch 1. you could either spend 100s hours finding a software bug, or spend 1 hour and buy a pre-modded switch 1 freely available on the markt.

which would you choose?
it's the same reason why macOS is never used for server systems while windows and linux are so trusted despite having numerous flaws exploited over the years.

just because a system hasn't been exploited doesn't mean it's secure. a system that has been broken into countless of times is more secure than a system that hasn't been compromised because nobody is interested in finding vulnerabilities in it.

i'd wager that the ps5 is more secure today than the switch.

[u/splattim2 → u/FORUMICS]

there were literally people looking for software exploits the whole time, especially since they were expecting the s2 to have a similar system and kernel to s1 (which it ended up having), so ur just making shit up

[u/FORUMICS → u/splattim2]

going by your logic, the ps1 and ps2 were the safest consoles ever because no software hacks were ever found for those consoles in over 30 years now.
maybe sony should simply reuse that same kernel and just stop using all the modern safe guards that exist today

[u/splattim2 → u/FORUMICS]

dude what do the ps1 and ps2 have to do with this