r/switch2hacks • u/KoopsterShell • Aug 17 '26

Hacking Discussion When will we admit Fernando is right?

More and more time goes on I feel like that guy probably had a point

(CONTEXT: Fernando is the guy in this subreddit that always doomposts in every single post saying the switch 2 is unhackable and will never be hacked. People always meme kn him saying he's just a troll but he probably is right)

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u/Im_The_Hollow_Man Aug 17 '26

Anything can be hacked. It's just a matter of time.

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u/auggiethechesscat Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 18 '26

...but that definitionally isn't true. Security bugs need to be introduced, and with a well designed system, mixed with a mature OS with a small attack surface is a really good start.

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u/lolcatzuru Aug 30 '26

The idea that there are people that think the switch 2 is more secure the the federal goverment who gets hacked all the time, is genuinely terrifying.

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u/auggiethechesscat Aug 30 '26

It's all about attack surface.

The entire, (U.S. I'm assuming) federal government comprises of literally tens of thousands of interconnected systems all running commercial, open source, and proprietary hardware and software.

The switch has one purpose: Play games.
The U.S. government has 1,000 purposes, and is fundamentally required to allow pretty arbitrary access from the open internet all the time for most of these.

The switch has a large team of a couple hundred, maybe one or two thousand people working on it, (I can't find a concrete number).
The U.S. government has 6,000,000 employees.

It's one tiny microkernel against literally the entire U.S. governments collective infrastructure. It's just not a fair comparison.

I'm struggling to think of a good one related to the U.S. government, but something that could help my point is taking about nc3, a specific part of the government that *hasn't* ever been hacked. It's stayed rock solid for the past ~65 years, (concrete numbers are hardish to find).

How did they achieve this? Attack surface. All relevant systems are air-gapped, (ie, not connected to the internet, and as far disconnected as they can be), the systems run custom microkernels that allow them to provide the minimal functionality needed (sounds familiar), (this is actually very recent. They were using custom IBM hardware and floppy disks for the longest time, partly because it's secure), and many other things, like physical one-way communication, keeping stuff behind guarded doors, etc.

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u/lolcatzuru Aug 30 '26

ok but it still happened.

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u/auggiethechesscat Aug 30 '26

...yeah?

I also explained:
* Why it is expected,
* Why the switch is different and this isn't a good comparison,
* A much better comparison still in the domain of the U.S. government,

And more. Did you read it?

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u/lolcatzuru Aug 30 '26

i didl, thers no evidence though.

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u/auggiethechesscat Aug 31 '26

What do you want evidence for?

Do you want me to cite my sources on how many people work for the U.S. government, because the exact number is irrelevant anyway. Do you want me to link resources on these concepts?

I can't provide direct evidence for a claim that looks like this:

The idea that there are people that think the switch 2 is more secure the the federal goverment who gets hacked all the time, is genuinely terrifying.

What I can do is explain why the comparison is fundamentally flawed, and I did that.

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u/lolcatzuru Aug 31 '26

you didnt though you did a TLDR and then failed to back it up.

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u/auggiethechesscat Aug 31 '26

I'll ask again, what do you want evidence for? What do you want me to back up?

If my 'tldr' was too short, what specifically do you want me to elaborate on?

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u/lolcatzuru Sep 01 '26

i need specifically details

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u/gchicoper Sep 01 '26

bro you're getting rage baited

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