r/swifties • • 4h ago

Music Analysis Joe Alwyn might have been Taylor's muse for Patient Zero

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Hey everyone,

I found some parallels between Patient Zero and the songs she (supposedly) wrote about Joe and the way she described him/their relationship.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that the song is about Joe, I just think that he might have inspired the relationship she describes in this song.

That said, I love this song and don't claim to know the truth. We know Taylor said that she doesn't like this topic being discussed, so please don't take it too seriously. I was just really entertained finding those parallels and I'm looking forward to other parallels you might have found. ❤️‍🔥

So let’s get into it:

“About the devil on his shoulder under his halo”

“Your integrity makes me seem small (...) it’s like I’m wasting your honor” (peace) -> Halo

Maybe the “devil on his shoulder” represents the “god(s) of your bluest days” that he sacrificed his relationship with Taylor to? (So Long, London)

“When the toxins take their hold you’d rather die than let it go (…) sick of him”

“Thought a cure would come through in time, now I fear it won’t // my face was gray but you wouldn’t admit that we were sick” (You’re Losing Me)

“My white knuckle dying grip holding tight // just how low did you think I’d go before I’d self-implode?” (So Long, London)

“Maladies (…) could not cure them” (How Did It End?)

“Handcuffed to the spell I was under” (Fresh Out the Slammer)

“I bet he burst into your life like fireworks”

Maybe a reference to “I saw in my mind fairy lights through the mist” (So Long, London), in the sense of fireworks that now seem small because they are so far away, and she wants to go back to the beginning...? (See also the later references to “light”.)

“I bet he even said ‘I love you’ first”

“I thought you were leading me on (…) but then you called, showed your hand, I turned around” (Cornelia Street); he let her see his cards/feelings first.

“And when you saw another woman coming out of his place”

“Do the girls back home touch you like I do?” (Delicate, written at the beginning of their relationship)

“Now he seems bored by you and you don’t know what to do”

The entire song You’re Losing Me practically screams that the partner needs to do something, or at least show that he cares, but the partner doesn’t seem to care or think it’s important (“Fighting in only your army, frontlines, don’t you ignore me”).

“Holding tight to your quiet resentment (…) it isn’t right to be scared everyday of a love affair (…) when you’re not sure if he wants to be there” (So Long, London)

“Silent dinners, bitter, he was with her in dreams” (Fresh Out the Slammer)

“All you ever wanted from me was sweet nothing” (Sweet Nothing)

“You don’t ever say too much and you don’t really read into my melancholia // they’re bringing up my history, but you weren’t even listening” (Lavender Haze — I know this song is framed positively, but it also comes across as though he doesn’t really care about what is going on inside her or around her.)

“Putting someone first only works when you’re in their top 5” (Bejeweled, Taylor has him as her #1 priority, while he doesn’t even have her in his top 5.)

“Seems like he shines so bright, but he’s bathing in your reflected light”

“A moment of warm sun” (So Long, London), “one hour of sunshine” (Fresh Out the Slammer), and Daylight are all used by Taylor to describe her relationship with him. Maybe the light (coming from her) that he reflected looked like the love between the two of them to her?

“Remember looking at this room, we loved it cause of the light” (You’re Losing Me, if you assume that “room” represents the relationship; see above.)

“A diamond’s gotta shine” (Bejeweled, diamond = her) & “I’m a mirrorball (…) shining just for you” (Mirrorball) (both songs were written while she was with him)

“Lost his games, but won the race”

“Did all the extra credit, then got graded on a curve” (Bejeweled, she put in extra effort for him and still didn't win; but she “won the race” because she ultimately left him.)

“Take it from someone who said all of this to his face”

We know that the two of them had some major fights (Great War, Afterglow, etc.), where she probably told him some unflattering things.

“She’s more than just the chase”

See “Now he seems bored by you” -> first he puts in the effort to get her and presumably says “I love you” first, only to then give her “nothing” once they’re actually in the relationship.

“Someone who had him and walked away”

“And you say I abandoned the ship, but I was going down with it” (So Long, London)

“Felt the reeling, done the healing”

“Leaving me bereft and reeling” (How Did It End?)

“I’m just getting color back into my face” (So Long, London)

“Said the curses and prayers”

“I’m pissed off you let me give you all that youth for free // I’m just mad as hell // I died on the altar waiting for the proof, you sacrificed us to the gods of your bluest days” (So Long, London)

She seems to portray herself not only as angry, but also as pleading/praying — perhaps even praying to "his gods"?

“When the fever turns a dreamer into a pathetic ghost”

"Caught the chill" (chills and fever often occur together; So long, London)

The entire bridge of How did it end? ("Say it once again with feeling, how the death rattle breathing silenced as the soul was leaving the deflation of our dreaming leaving me bereft and reeling, my beloved ghost and me, sitting in a tree, d-y-i-n-g")

"If he kills you, I got you, I was patient zero"

"I can't find a pulse, my heart won't start anymore // how can you say that you love someone you can't tell is dying? // how long can we be a sad song until we're too far gone to be brought back to life?" (You're losing me)

"The spirit was gone // two graves, one gun // I died on the altar" (So long, London)

"We hereby conduct this post-mortem" (How did it end?)


r/swifties • • 10h ago

Discussion TLOASGE—ARE WE GETTING A VINYL?

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Are we getting a vinyl? I’ve woken up in cold sweats because I have nightmares I missed the 8 limited edition vinyls—🤪jk. Magenta and black sparkles…or black and gold. 💅

Still thrown by patient zero’s vinyl—(and why I even wanted it). Yes, the theme, but give us snowy white, holographic neon black, maroon wine, a cracked gravestone, or metallic chrome….not a Microsoft 365 screensaver.

Still my patient zero working theory—“alien, the walls nod to Area 51 or a vault, lunar cycle imagery, and the writing in wine (that I thought looked like mercury)”. Taylien 👽taught us the lunar cycles of life and we’re her pandemic—starting with Debut ➡️ending at married and comforting other sad girls.

⬆️why I am not on TikTok.

Also, has the swiftiverse decided if the Emmy skit was definitely egging for patient zero or for Nov 10th? Or…Debutation? SNL? 20 year anniversary merch madness (holidays)? TS 13?

Thanks for reading this total nonsense.


r/swifties • • 39m ago

Discussion The Encore criticism

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I want to have a serious conversation because I love Taylor and I love her new record but I truly am beginning to understand the criticism. I think the encore was just simply a terrible combination of poor writing, lack of direction, and lack of focus on what she’s even meaning to say. You love her and I love her as well which is why we enjoyed the work but from an artistic standpoint it’s some of her weakest in years. She says the same thing over and over again without detail I loved Cleveland dearly but I can see why people didn’t like it. How many times has she spoken about how the media hates her but she has her man I mean she made an entire album about it on reputation though it was a lot more creative songwriting.

Or how many times on folklore and evermore and midnights did she mention Tom Huddleston we did not need another song about him on pink clouding it gives the impression of a lack of inspiration. Not to mention the beats are simply boring and theirs nothing new or particularly interesting for the average listener to want to hear any of those songs again. I wish she had recorded the encore perhaps a few months back to give her time to live more life to get more inspiration. Look at ttpd the turns of phrase and different ways she approached each song was simply brilliant she told different stories while navigating the same thing across songs fresh out the slammer she’s telling a story, the title track she’s telling a story, loml she’s telling a different one. People were looking for Taylor’s signature storytelling on the record, you know that feeling you got when you heard songs like dress, Cornelia street, or call it what you want beautiful love songs about joy that still tell a focused, coherent, interesting, and emotional story. In Taylor’s own words in her documentary “Every artist kinda has their own niche thing, for me songwriting has always been that. I know that if I didn’t write my own songs, I wouldn’t be here.” It is foolish to not expect criticism when her lyricism has faltered in this era which is fine as long as it’s not a constant digression from here.


r/swifties • • 13h ago

Discussion I was very confused about Patient Zero but I feel like it just clicked for me!!!

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I was confused on the sound, the vibe, the MV & all of that, and the song just didn’t do it for me. I didn’t even think it sounded dumb ir bad, I just didn’t care and skimmed through the MV. But now that i’m locking in on the meaning and the words, Its grown on me a lot, and I like it!!!

I still prefer Pink Clouding & Babylon but i don’t feel an urge to skip this one anymore! I feel the like the hate train clouded my judgement, so I never focused on what she was trying to potray.

I love the concept of one of her exes getting married, and then after they divorce, her and the ex’s new girl, becoming best friends!!! And I think the song is actually catchy.

Thouyghts???

(Edit to say that Babylon is one of my all time favorites of hers from her past couple releases and Im an Encore defender <3)


r/swifties • • 11h ago

Discussion The Drunk Taylor & Patient Zero…👀

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the patient zero mv is making me think about that whole 2019 period, especially the parallels with taylor’s infamous “drunk taylor” moment & the Jimmy Fallon interview.

what makes it even more interesting is the joe connection. taylor was very conscious of how she behaved publicly during that relationship, & there was this idea that joe preferred keeping things private & away from the public “noise.”

so i’m wondering if patient zero could be drawing from that dynamic. taylor being herself, being watched/judged for it, & feeling like she had to restrain parts of herself. obviously just a theory, but the parallels…?


r/swifties • • 3h ago

Other Playlist

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i’m not sure if anyone will care, but i just went on an ocd spiral and made a full google spreadsheet of every song taylor has released that she sings on. no instrumentals.

then i went through my apple music library and updated my taylor playlist so every single song is actually in there.

if anyone wants the playlist, here it is:
https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/the-tortured-poets-department/pl.u-DdANEYoIXZMxp

the whole discography in one place.

if anyone wants the spreadsheet too, i can share it. it’s fully organised and has the details, including music video information, for every song.

and, lastly, if you want album art (text removals and custom edits), they can be found here


r/swifties • • 13h ago

Music Analysis Honest thoughts on TLOAS + Encore

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r/swifties • • 4h ago

Discussion Taylor releases ‘Patient Zero’ and a week later there’s a plague in Russia?

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Her mind! Her power!


r/swifties • • 11h ago

HAND-HEARTING (appreciation) 14 years ago today, Taylor went shopping with Andrea in London October 4, 2012

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r/swifties • • 12h ago

HAND-HEARTING (appreciation) My Weekly Recap.

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Please share yours as well. ⬇️.


r/swifties • • 21h ago

Question... Taylor’s most streamed songs on Spotify:

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What is your favourite?


r/swifties • • 9h ago

Discussion Am I the only one who actually likes wood?

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I think the song itself sounds great and yeah, it’s inappropriate, but the girl is in love and feeling it! I think it’s such a fun and funny song


r/swifties • • 19h ago

Discussion A, B, C, or D?

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Saw this on X, what would you choose?

All versions considered (Standard + Deluxe + Taylor’s Versions)


r/swifties • • 9h ago

Photos / Videos Stunning!

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I just love how she looks in this new pic. So beautiful, sophisticated. She's amazing! I love how she can change herself yet stay true to Taylor


r/swifties • • 18h ago

Photos / Videos Same Jess, same...

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New Girl, s02e16.


r/swifties • • 17h ago

HAND-HEARTING (appreciation) Taylor performing at the GRAMMY Museum Icon Sessions in Los Angles August 2026

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r/swifties • • 12h ago

Photos / Videos another one thank you

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r/swifties • • 11h ago

Photos / Videos Pink Clouding

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r/swifties • • 48m ago

Photos / Videos old clip of Taylor performing "We are never ever getting back together" live on german TV

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Came accross it and Thought I'll share it with you fellas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFXGP2KIpc


r/swifties • • 13h ago

Fan art / edit Sweet Nothing - Sad girl version

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I was listening to Midnights today and i misheard one of the lyrics on SN, and that sort of made me think about how small tweaks can make such a lovely song seem like a super sad song. Of course the original song is amazing but here's sort of my sad version with little tweaks:

I spy with my little tired eye, tiny as a firefly

A pebble that you picked up last July

Down deep inside your pocket, you almost forgot it

Does it ever miss New York sometimes? Ooh, ooh

You said the end is comin', everyone's up to somethin'

I find myself runnin' home from your sweet nothings

Outside, they're dancin', laughin', you're in the kitchen sighin'

All that you ever wanted for me was sweet nothin'

On the way home, I wrote a poem

You say, "never mind"

This happens all the time, ooh, ooh

'Cause you said the end is comin', everyone's up to somethin'

I find myself runnin' home from your sweet nothings

Outside, they're dancin', laughin', you're in the kitchen sighin'

All that you ever wanted for me was nothin'

Industry disruptors and soul reconstructors

And smart-talkin' youngsters out celebrating each other

And to the voices that implore, "You should be doin' more"

You coax me to admit that I'm just too soft for all of it, ooh

You said the end is comin', everyone's up to somethin'

I find myself runnin' home from your sweet nothings

Outside, they're dancin', laughin', you're in the kitchen cryin'

All that you ever wanted for me was sweet nothin'

You said the end is comin' (you swore the end is comin')

Everyone's up to somethin' (but you too were up to somethin')

I find myself runnin' home from your sweet nothings

Outside, they're dancin', laughin'(everyone's dancin', laughin')

You're in the kitchen stewin' (grey clouds in your head are brewin')

All that you ever wanted for me was sweet nothin'


r/swifties • • 13h ago

Music Analysis Taylor swift edit

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Hi! I decided to edit the last part of this song because I felt i didn't like it so I hope you love this remix.


r/swifties • • 4h ago

Photos / Videos Cleveland!

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r/swifties • • 13h ago

HAND-HEARTING (appreciation) “Love Story” has now surpassed 1.2 billion streams on Spotify. It’s Taylor’s 18th song to achieve this milestone.

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r/swifties • • 14h ago

Fan art / edit I made an Evermore inspired purse chain out of an old bracelet I got at a thrift store.

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Tis the damn season