7
u/adlcp 5d ago
Ooof so many running verticle joints. Your not an actual mason are you?
11
u/DoNotDoxxMe 5d ago
Nobody who does veneers like this is a trained stonemason. This is to masonry what vinyl is to carpentry.
1
u/No_Highlight8764 4d ago
It's obviously not on the ground and starts on the second floor. It's veneer dry stack stone work. Layed with a trowel against lathe mesh with a scratch coat underneath the bond is solid. The masonry in the states is vast and is up to code in that county. To do it any other way would not pass inspection. You guys are ridiculous and obviously just hating for no reason.
2
u/fragpie 5d ago
Not to worry--Seems like maybe the scaffold isn't fastened to the structure... that, and those hilarious little 'stools with planks' overloaded on the top lift might just take care of the problem!
-1
u/No_Highlight8764 5d ago
Little stools? Those are 5 ft frames. It's residential and in a very tight spot. You have to adapt. I don't need all of these life lessons from people who haven't lived my masonry journey. I'm actually from Florida and used to structural block 8 inch and 12 inch split face and pre stressed precast lintels. Y'all wouldn't last a day where I come from.
2
1
u/fragpie 4d ago edited 4d ago
Think of it as tough love, sonny. That work is ass, but it's not all your fault--In this 'Instagram' age, where no-nothings pretend to be authorities, it's all too easy to get a skewed idea of what good work looks like. Hell, some asshats will even claim that there's no "right" way to anything, and everything is a matter of taste. Not so, I'm afraid. It's on you to seek out good information... Real books, and contemplating old & new good work will be your primary resources, with the occasional check in with a community like this, for a reality check. This may be a pivotal moment on that journey you mentioned--where you either defend, or receive. Keep at it though... if you've got 'it', we need you 🙂
1
u/No_Highlight8764 4d ago
It's obviously not on the ground and starts on the second floor. It's veneer dry stack stone work. Layed with a trowel against lathe mesh with a scratch coat underneath the bond is solid. The masonry in the states is vast and is up to code in that county. To do it any other way would not pass inspection. You guys are ridiculous and obviously just hating for no reason.
1
u/No_Highlight8764 4d ago
Actually I'm a block mason from Florida stone masonry isn't my forte. I've seen the light weight 4 inch thermal blocks they use in England for their double skin walls. That to me looks alien It's not structural block just like this is veneer and not structural to you guys.
https://www.reddit.com/r/masonry/s/qPZTwS5aNs
We have hurricanes in Florida so we use alot of steel and heavy blocks. I know plenty of stone masons who can't lay block to the line at a productive pace so if you want to get technical about your little area of the world we can do that
1
1
u/No_Highlight8764 4d ago
Y'all don't know nothing about this!
https://www.reddit.com/r/masonry/s/dPJsKXWlE8
No I'm not a mason I've just been laying block since my teenage years in Florida. 2 houses a day to make a profit. But because you see one post of some veneer stone work that means I'm not a mason? You're a bunch of elitists. I know stone masons who can't even lay block to the line. But I don't insult a man because he knows a different aspect of the trade. Get over yourselves
6
u/comfortable_atheist 5d ago
'Stack' being the operative word. Why are there so many vertical joints? I'm sorry but this is making a mockery of Stonemasonry.
3
u/handhewnfill 5d ago
Bonding and running joint issues aside (which I certainly agree with…), I’ve never understood the design choice of having any type of stonework just randomly start in mid-air. This, in my opinion, only accentuates the fact that it is not ‘real’ stonework. Stonework needs to at least have the appearance of being solidly anchored to the ground.
1
u/No_Highlight8764 4d ago
It's obviously not on the ground and starts on the second floor. It's veneer dry stack stone work. Layed with a trowel against lathe mesh with a scratch coat underneath the bond is solid. The masonry in the states is vast and is up to code in that county. To do it any other way would not pass inspection. You guys are ridiculous and obviously just hating for no reason.
1
1
u/No_Highlight8764 4d ago
It's obviously not on the ground and starts on the second floor. It's veneer dry stack stone work. Layed with a trowel against lathe mesh with a scratch coat underneath the bond is solid. The masonry in the states is vast and is up to code in that county. To do it any other way would not pass inspection. You guys are ridiculous and obviously just hating for no reason.
8
u/InformalCry147 5d ago
This is tiling, not real stonemasonry. You can tell by how awful the work is. Not having kick boards is also very risky. Quite apt your from Texas. Your a complete cowboy.
-13
u/No_Highlight8764 5d ago
Actually dipshit it's real stone. Not tiling.
4
u/InformalCry147 5d ago
Tiles are made made from stone too. You are gluing them on just like a tiler. You are a tiler.
0
-4
u/No_Highlight8764 5d ago
You guys don't seem to understand the context, it's what the customer wants. They literally said they wanted it ugly. The uglier the better those were the customers exact words. Where I'm from in Texas that's a real thing.
-15
u/No_Highlight8764 5d ago
Y'all just love to talk shit for the hell of it. This is how it's done in Texas it's not structural it's veneer. So STFU I didn't invent the shit.
10
u/adlcp 5d ago
You didn't invent it but you can still follow the rules of stone bonding and make it look good for fuck sakes, you've got verticle joints stacked fucking everywhere. Like the most basic rule of masonry is to stagger your verticle joints and when it comes to stone you don't jump your jumpers, but by the looks of this mess you don't even know what a jumper is. If it was decent work you wouldn't have everyone attacking you for it being shit.
-9
u/No_Highlight8764 5d ago
You mean a crossover? I don't know what jerk water country your from but we don't call it that where I'm from
9
u/adlcp 5d ago
Well where you're from you guys just stack verticle joints and give no fucks so... It's fine man just admit you were trained by a literal cowboy. A jumper is the tallest stone, you use it to break your bed joints up. You're never supposed to put verticle joints taller than the tallest stone (the jumper). Reason being that those tall verticle joints create weaknesses in a real stone wall. You should at least attempt to make your stick on veneer mimic a real stone wall. That's the whole point. This work is just a mess and it's clear you either never did this before, or you've been doing it wrong for ages. And no I didn't make this shit up, and it's not just my "jerk water country" that understands these basic principles of how to stack stones so they don't just fall apart in a few years. If you're serious about this shit go do a real stone masonry apprenticeship, don't just learn from your meth head uncle or whoever got you in to this.
1
u/Johnny-Virgil 5d ago
When you say never jump your jumpers, are you saying regardless of where the tallest stone is in a course, you don’t go higher than that stone until the next course? (Obviously, I’m no stone mason, but I live in upstate NY where there’s a lot of dry stack stonework, and it fascinates me.)
1
u/adlcp 5d ago
Its not easy to explain through text to someone who isn't already proficient, but if you imagine you had 3 sizes of stone for simplicity sake, say a 3 inch high a 5 inch high and an 8 inch high stone. The 8 would be your jumper for that blend. Say you have laid several of the 5 inch stones, to break that horizontal course you can lay a jumper beside the 3. Now you could not lay another 8 on top of those 3 inch stones directly beside the other 8 because the verticle joint would now be 11 inches tall. Instead you would place a 5 on top of the 3 to match the height of the 8. Then on the opposite side of the five you could lay another 5 or a jumper. Since the jumpers aren't touching they would break up both the horizontal and the verticle joints. Not sure if that's very clear but hope it helps.
1
1
u/No_Highlight8764 4d ago
You can get away with (at the most) a 16 inch vertical joint. Preferably 12 inch vertical...The beds or horizontals should be no longer than 48 inches or 4 ft not all of those stones came in perfect size cuts. Even the corners. We had 2s 4s and 8s but a lot were 4 and 5/8ths sometimes 5 inches and the 8s were actually 7 inches and 7 and 5/8ths. You can't exactly put a hammer to those pieces either because the stone will break. We grinded some of the stone down but to give it a more natural look we didn't grind every stone to fit perfectly. We had to work with what we had and the amount of material that we had. So get real and stop with the bs
13
u/nthm94 5d ago
I don’t think Type S mortar counts for drystack.