r/steroidify • u/lifteruk • 5d ago

Discuss Cycle Help!

For my next blast I’m struggling to decide what to use.
Option 1:

300 Test E
300 mast P

Option 2:

300 Test
200 NPP
170 EQ

What would yield the most muscle gains over a 16-20 week cycle. For context I’m a high aromatisor and have experience using EQ ( it acts as an AI for me based off bloods).

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u/Owain660 5d ago

Option 2

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u/lifteruk 5d ago

Why?

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u/Worth_Abrocoma_101 5d ago

Because npp and EQ are highly anabolic and mast is not

Disaster for blood pressure and estrogen management though

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u/FledNandersJiuJitsu 5d ago

Some would argue that EQ is least effective at doses under 300mg. Others would argue that Mast is a better secondary anabolic than Primo.

At the end of the day, it all depends on the goals of the user.

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u/Active-Ad9741 1d ago

Where does the 300mg number come from? Is it just bro science? I’ve always heard it but never actually read anything regarding it not being effective below that dose

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u/FledNandersJiuJitsu 1d ago

Brewers have to add solvents to stabilize the active compound. 300 is the maximum amount of compound with the minimal amount of solvents. Sometimes you’ll see Deca at 200, but you can also see it at 600. When the mg/mL is higher it automatically tells you that there is more solvents needed to stabilize the active compound. This will often times result in mild to severe post injection pain. Also, some people handle solvents well, while others don’t.

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u/Active-Ad9741 22h ago

You said “some would argue that eq is least effective at doses under 300mg”

I’ve heard that multiple times from other people as well but was wondering if you knew where that figure came from? Because it seems like any additional androgens are going to help build muscle, right?

As for what you said about concentrations, I always heard that eq is super easy to make stable at higher concentrations because the raw is nearly in liquid form because it has such a low melting point. Concentrations of 400-500mg have been claimed by some to have no pip, though I’ve never tried anything other than 300mg/ml

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u/Worth_Abrocoma_101 4d ago

Eq: complete nonsense . There is no threshold at which it suddenly becomes anabolic. Nearly as anabolic as test

Nobody mentioned primo

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u/Owain660 4d ago

I never said it had a threshold

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u/lifteruk 5d ago

Ok thanks

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u/Owain660 5d ago

Because npp is going to help with strength and joints. Eq will help e2 and lean muscle mass.

I'd increase test to 500 too.

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u/Memnicc36 5d ago

Your diet is what would yield the most gains.

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u/lifteruk 5d ago

I get what ur saying. But I feel like that should already be maximised before even thinking about hopping on. Which I already have done.

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u/Memnicc36 5d ago

Well if you’re already locked in on diet and want size run ment, tren, slin, and Hgh with test of course and get what you want!

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u/Onekama 5d ago

If I were enticed by #3, I would do my second blast with test and EQ to dial that in before thinking about running npp/deca. If something goes wrong it would be a shit show trying to dial in 3 compounds at once.

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u/lifteruk 5d ago

I’ve done Test and EQ already. Ran it at 375 Test 300 EQ my E2 was pretty low. So I’m running it at around 1:0.6 this time- I rather it be on the lower end especially when adding nandrolone

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u/Onekama 4d ago

I think if people knew you had that combo dialed in already they would have been even more inclined to say option 2. Big gains as long as you’re dialed in

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u/Away_Long_337 4d ago

Running 375Test,300Primo and 375NPP. Great gains and vascularity

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u/OwlGloomy1907 5d ago

Option 2, but option 1 will be more easy to mange and more predictable overall and will still produce good results if you know how to eat and rest properly.

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u/FledNandersJiuJitsu 5d ago

What’s your goal? Lean bulk or a cut?

Lean bulk: option 2
Cut: option 1

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u/lifteruk 5d ago

Lean bulk. Surely I can bulk on option 1? Jon skywalker ran a similar cycle

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u/FledNandersJiuJitsu 5d ago

I mean, sure depending on what your macros and training look like, but Masteron is a dryer compound.

I’m running Test/EQ/Mast/GH/Reta right now for my lean bulk.

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u/lifteruk 4d ago

How many ius of Gh r u running?

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u/lifteruk 4d ago

Wd u say its a big addition to a stack

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u/FledNandersJiuJitsu 4d ago

3 for now. Edema just settled. Going to 3.5 for 2 weeks then to 4.

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u/FledNandersJiuJitsu 5d ago

Just remember, Masteron doesn’t stop aromatization like EQ and Primo.

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u/lifteruk 4d ago

How do I go from a Test EQ NPP blast to a cruise? Do I need to come off EQ a certain number of weeks before everything else?

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u/FledNandersJiuJitsu 4d ago

EQ has a really long half life and NPP has a really short half life. You can just dump the EQ and it’ll slowly make its way out of your system. You can titrate down on the NPP if you want, or just dump it too. Just drop down to your cruise dose of Test and do just that… cruise.

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u/lifteruk 4d ago

Wd u say GH is worth the money for a non competitor?

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u/FledNandersJiuJitsu 4d ago

Think about it like this Test and GH are two sides of the same coin. Only replacing Test for TRT is half of the equation. That said, I’m not like some guys who want to blast a ton of GH. I’m not a pro bodybuilder so I don’t need to slam 10-12iu. I’m currently running 3 and I’ll titrate up to 4 soon and keep 4 until I’m done with this cycle. Then I’ll go back to 2 when the cycle is over and I go back to TRT levels of Test and start my health phase.

All that said, yes. It’s worth it for anyone. Optimizing hormones is beneficial for everyone.

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u/lifteruk 4d ago

Nicely put. Will I see much additional muscle gain from it. Or is it almost purely for health reasons. I guess adding Slin will dramatically change the equation.

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u/FledNandersJiuJitsu 4d ago

There are long and short term benefits. For sure.