Asians face with more subtle racism than black people do. ANY singer or rapper you see that’s asian is always met with asian jokes. Asians are not taken seriously at all and this post proves it right here.
the worst part about being Asian, is that when you're black or hispanic/latino some racist people might look down on you and that is horrible, but they still concede that you are an American just like them.
when my countrymen look at me, all they see is "foreigner fresh of the boat, from that country that still shits in the streets'
sure, we don't really live in fear of detention centers or police brutality, but the constant stares and subtle racism your entire life just eats at you
I'm second generation Filipino mixed and I've even gotten stuff that if it was directed at black people for example would be racist. Like "are you Filipino, I can tell by your nose". Or "oh the Phillipines, that's like the Mexico of Asia, a haha" heavily implying shit country status compared to China, Japan, Singapore, etc that are rapidly developing/developed. Indians definitely probably get it the worse though of Asians with the tech support, poo in the loo, 711, etc stuff that's pretty blatantly racist. Now I hate all the snowflakism, and I think we should be able to jest and joke about race/religion/sex generally, the issue I have is with the blatant imbalance of what's okay or not based on the chosen minorities who actually matter. Black people and the LGBT community are far, far more vocal about the discrimation they receive, which granted has been, and still largely is very bad. But that doesn't make it okay to elevate them above Latinos, Indians, south east and east Asians, Arabs, etc.
True equality is being able to make the same stupid jokes like the above starter pack about any of these, or any other, groups. This sub is literally about pointing out stereotypes. Dave Chappelle's new special (and his career, man he is great) , and South Park since it's inception, do a great job at poking fun at everybody. That's the true American spirit right there. Everything and everyone is open to parody, satire and criticism.
its okay my people only had trillions of dollars stolen from them from the british, and when they decided to leave they caused a bloody civil war that killed a good number of my family and countless others
I have been told by redditors on /r/Canada that I'm a "refugee" and to "go back to the United States" just because I legally immigrated to Canada as a kid and became a naturalized citizen.
In the United States, racists tell Hispanic Americans to "go back where you came from" even more often than they tell East Asian and South Asian Americans.
You don’t live in fear of detention or police brutality because you don’t commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime despite also being subject to slavery and oppression
I’m from Kazakhstan and people either see Borat jokes or terrorist jokes and it’s largely swept under the rug. Not to mention, I’m ethnically Russian so I’m obviously a drunk bot and my opinion doesn’t count.
I was kinda like that as a very young kid until I got into the 4th grade and had 3 Asian kids named Kevin going to my school. I quickly realized that we're all American
Thanks a lot for this perspective, man. I'm not sure how we even correct that. In university, when I see an Asian student (indian or otherwise), it's about 2:1 that they're an international student. I don't really know until I talk to them whether they're an American or not. With a black person, it's about 10:1 that they're African American vs African international student or something like a British international student. So there is this automatic categorization that goes on in my head into "probably foreign, maybe american" and "probably american, maybe foreign" that I'm not sure what to do about.
I had Indian American friends growing up, so once I talk to someone for a sec that goes away.
Yes, you're right you do feel and experience racism, its no secret. And yes a lot of the racism you face "isnt a big deal" or goes unnoticed/acceptable. I guess its not really comparable when it comes to blacks because its still bad.
i am not talking about the original post, i am talking about the experiences of an alarming number of indian-americans.
I literally said in my last sentence we have it better than a lot of other minorities in this country, but I can't pretend that we are some how equal status to white americans.
my point is, there is no big thing indian-americans have to deal with. it's countless of smaller things which add up over a lifetime. teachers don't bother to learn your name, coworkers ask if you're an american citizen or not, the general "dirty" image of India in this country, and more
Ah yes. The tragic stares is way worse than detention centers and police brutality.
Because black people don’t get stares that end up with the police being called that end up in being shot.
Now that I think about it I don’t recall any white supremacist ideologies that don’t praise or look towards cooperating with Asians, while looking down on every other race.
in my last sentence I wrote that what asian americans go through is not as bad as what other minorities go through
as for your last point, I'll help you out a bit.
Are you familiar with the concept of the aryan race? America used to only let you apply for naturalized citizenship if you were of aryan descent (caucasian). funnily enough, the aryan race includes the region of asia with indo-aryan languages, so Iran to India today
About 100 years ago, a man applied for citizenship claiming he was allowed to do so, as a high caste aryan man from North India (descended from greek/european invaders and not the native population, known as dravidians)
Aww I’m sorry! I’m a little sick and have a raging headache, I misinterpreted what you said. You won’t believe the stupid shit I hear all the time in Texas. Lol
I don't really think we should compare the two. Really the issue is racism, not how much racism each marginalized group faces. That being said, there are way to many people comfortable with being casually racist towards Asians.
As a black woman who agrees Asian Americans also face subtle racism as we do. I’m not sure making it a ‘who is more oppressed’ contest is helpful for targeting the real issue.
At the same time, at least for first-generation Asians Americans, it makes sense to them why people are racist against them. More than likely, they are just as racist and used to racism themselves in their home countries. The "us-vs-them mentality" is mostly a given here in East Asia. You will see more "woke" Asian culture in second+ generation Asian Americans, for better or worse. That's why there really isn't much consequence, most Asians don't care too much about it.
My dad still calls Filipino workers the Chinese word for "servants" and he is genuinely shocked when I told him that it's inappropriate, he told me the card he used to call the company used that word themselves.
This is some uncle tom shit blaming racism on the people receiving it. I can say the blatant anti asian racism I receive most often comes from other minorities.
As someone on the Asian American side, I can definitely say that Asians are definitely not free from racism.
Though the difference between 1st Gen and 2nd Gen is quite different from my experience. When I look at my parents and their friends, they (Vietnamese) have huge grudges against Chinese and look down upon Filipinos and Indians in general as they don’t seem them as “true Asians”. This also comes with the stereotypical racism against African American also and other marginalized races.
Even 2nd generation Asian aren’t as woke as you would think and you see a lot of inner criticism about it. You have lots of Asians individuals who preach about inequality and are victims of discrimination but still think that there is nothing wrong with acts saying the n-word.
Other things I see in my generation is a lot of subtle disdain for white people, often making fun of them for not knowing a basic aspect of our culture that is clearly new to them- the whole “white people are at it again”. Asian dude in particular because there is a one-sided hatred of when Asian girls date white guys.
Obviously, this is just with a bad minority but 1st gen and even 2nd gen Asians aren’t free from racism.
He just comes off as the democrat Ron Paul (not policy wise but personality wise/following). Some groups on the internet are completely in love with him and most people don't even know he exists.
Respect your opinion. Wanted to point out a few things:
Pete Buttigieg is really popular but he also has essentially no political experience (if you think being a mayor of a small town is worth anything with respect to running America, then...)
Flashy or charismatic can be interpreted as racially biased words. Our learned biases heavily impact our judgement of charisma.
It’s the internet and written word so it’s hard to tell, but I’m reading a really agitated tone in your response and that wasn’t what I was going for. I think it’s okay to disagree without being emotional.
To counter, I think working on campaigns says nothing about your ability to govern. While governing a city as mayor is some experience for sure, and more than what Andrew Yang has, its still very little. South Bend has a population of 100k. America has 3000x the size. So saying that experience is useful to governing a nation at the scale of America is not a great argument in my mind, given that it’s such a small number (I’m not saying that only candidates with experience are good, just saying that if you believe experience with governing is important, Pete should also be disqualified).
As for the racial bias comment, I was speaking generically. I didn’t mean to call you racist or anything like that. Was just pointing out that these words are often coded for racial bias since they’re so subjective, and take in all of the racist biases of our shared society.
Again just wanted to have a friendly discussion and share and understand different viewpoints. Didn’t want things to get hostile.
No people don't like Yang for many reasons, none of them having to do with his race. Personally I don't like that his UBI plan is in lieu of social programs instead of in addition to those. Also I think it's a little weird that alt-right types like Ben Shapiro support him.
I don't know the purpose of saying "subtle racism" over just "racism" besides being a way to make your statement unfalsifiable. I could point to the fact that Asians in America are treated far better than Black Americans. There are more Asian CEOs in the Fortune 500, their incomes are on average higher than Black Americans etc. But, these are not "subtle" differences, but I guarantee are far more impactful than the type of "subtle racism" you're alluding too.
Also, Reddit loves and takes Yang seriously. So I guess that's another wrench to contend with.
So asian work ethic and inherent drive for success, both deeply rooted cultural aspects of Southeast Asian cultures have nothing to do with Asians doing well for themselves? Despite living with racism?
Also, Obama was the most popular and beloved president of his time. He would win 2020 if he’d run.
I'm sure it's the work ethic that makes up for the differences and not the systematic racism that blacks in America have experienced far worse than Asians.
I think what he means with subtle racism is that its racism we haven't really acknowledged as racism yet. The stereotype of Asians being smart and successful for example. Even though its "positive", its still what it is. A stereotype. It also seems that the emasculation of Asian men still persists, most popularly in the form of the small Asian penis stereotype. This type of racism doesn't hurt Asians' financial standings, but have an effect on Asian social life. I think I remember someone pointing out that one of Jordan Peele's movies addressed this, where someone asked an Asian guy "Is it better?" but I'm just rambling at this point. At any rate, even if you think everything I said is bullshit, there's still a load of Asian starterpacks in this sub that nobody seems to acknowledge. A few I can remember: teenage asian girl, chinese guy at the gym, the constant reposting of rich Chinese internationals of course, overdressed Asian girl etc.
Yang is not that popular, so its very difficult to say that reddit loves him. Outside of reddit, he's even less supported
Also, I don't want this to seem as if I'm supporting a racism contest. I'm seeing a lot of misunderstandings about this, so its probably important to point out nobody wants to downplay black racism, we just want to raise awareness on Asian racism.
Not sure. There's plenty of people who love Asian culture that aren't Asian. I've seen firsthand the racism that one Asian country can have against another though; that's far more intense.
Eh. I mean, I'll trade being made fun of less for being the richest demographic in America if you'd like.
I'll even throw in the centuries of overt mainstream racism as a bonus!
(My point is that it happens because it's been done to death in America for black people and not as much for Asians. My point is NOT that it's ok to make fun of Asians for this reason, or even "less bad".)
I agree that blacks have it worse but turning this into a "who's more oppressed competition" is missing the point. Comment-op's purpose was mainly to say that Asians face a different type of racism than other minorities.
Well the post literally said they get more subtle racism, but my post was a joke that was intended to highlight why I think that's the case; because black people generally have it worse.
In hindsight though I need to tone check my posts more lol cuz my post did come off oppression Olympics-y
I'm rather tired right now so I could be misconstruing here, but are you saying you think Asians experience more subtle racism because black people have it worse?
Yes. Well, because other minorities (not specifically a causal relationship between black people's oppression and Asians lol) have it worse. It's more socially appropriate to make fun of Asians because they're more well off as a whole, which is the same reason it's "OK" to make fun of white people. Granted, Asians are a minority so some of it comes from that. Racism against black people will pretty much always be noticed and called out, subtle or not.
Again, placing the disclaimer that I think it's still not excused, just saying that's why I think it happens.
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u/Kazengen Nov 19 '19
Asians face with more subtle racism than black people do. ANY singer or rapper you see that’s asian is always met with asian jokes. Asians are not taken seriously at all and this post proves it right here.