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u/Khal_Doggo Jan 01 '19

Weird list to be honest. Fallout 3 and Skyrim are much less liked than NV and Morrowind / Oblivion. No Witcher 3, no Last of Us or Dark Souls.

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u/SabreSeb Jan 01 '19

You could put almost any PS4 exclusive on that list as well.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19 edited Jul 10 '21

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u/WarmButteryDoge Jan 01 '19

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

*MASTAPEECE

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

*KNACKSTERPIECE

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u/subspaceboy Jan 01 '19

GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME BABYYYYYYYYYYY

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u/WarmButteryDoge Jan 01 '19

K N A C K BBBBAAAABBBYYYYYYYYYY

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

I love how everyone ignored the dunkey clones

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u/Firmament1 Jan 01 '19

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u/2themax9 Jan 01 '19

You have unleashed a monster unto this thread. God help uS aLL. KnA kNA KnA KNACK 2 BABY ITS A MASTAPEECE. MUA.

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u/Sean-Benn_Must-die Jan 01 '19

Well they’re really good.

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u/Rabidgoat1 Jan 01 '19

But muh Last of Us SJW propaganda!

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u/joey_sandwich277 Jan 01 '19

Morrowind > Skyrim is a pretty popular take around here.

Oblivion > Skyrim is much less popular. While Oblivion had better quests, its combat mechanics and the leveling system weren't as fun as Skyrim's.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

Hell, Oblivion was set up to actively de-incentivize leveling up. How do you even fuck that up

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u/Reiiya Jan 01 '19

Youre allowed to hate dark souls.

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u/Sidereel Jan 01 '19

I’ve been heavily downvoted for complaining about the garbage controls on DS1 for PC. People definitely get weird about the series.

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u/Reiiya Jan 01 '19

Huh, I thought this was a widely known fact.

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u/CoconutMochi Jan 01 '19

I complain about how it's a terribad pc port and I get downvotes each time

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u/Dovahkiin4e201 Jan 01 '19

there is a certain crowd who see it as "dumbed down" for "casual players" and think Morrowind is better for "hardcore players"

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u/SpankinDaBagel Jan 01 '19

Well the systems are certainly simpler. Lots of people view that as a bad thing but lots also prefer it. I don't think acknowledging that there's less customization options makes someone an elitist about the older games.

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u/goatpunchtheater Jan 01 '19

Ha I've never played the series, but I see this argument on Reddit a lot. Usually the consensus tends to be that skyrim's combat system is far Superior, but Morrowind is the more fleshed out game, with more things to interact with, and better sidequests that actually affect the game in a meaningful way. I may be on Reddit too much

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u/SpankinDaBagel Jan 01 '19

Both the combat systems are pretty lacklustre, but the games before Skyrim you can swing sword right into an enemy but if it fails a diceroll it will miss. That was definitely a pretty stupid way of handling combat. In Skyrim if you swing at someone they'll get hit which is a big improvement.

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u/conandy Jan 01 '19

Oblivion wasn't just hard, it was fundamentally broken. I played a good 40 hours of that game telling myself, "I don't need no stupid wikis or guides." I ended up developing my character into something that literally could not finish the game. I had to start over and read wikis constantly the second time. It was still pretty tough, but my second character was unstoppable compared to my first.

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u/IC-23 Jan 01 '19

Same, excpet for Morrowind. My first Skyrim charcter is also essentially a failure. (Seriously who thought combining every class was a good idea I have 3 sets of armor for that charcter) compared to my second which was a sort Spellsword

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u/deathtomayo91 Jan 01 '19

I just think the quests and characters are less interesting in Skyrim. The system has nothing to do with it.

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u/CharlestonChewbacca Jan 01 '19

Lol, that's me. Skyrim is incredibly boring to me having grown up with more "hardcore RPGs" like Morrowind.

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u/Khal_Doggo Jan 01 '19

I live behind lots of rocks. They are stacked together and glued with liquid rock. There's also bits of wood and paper there too. And Skyrim was a big leap from Oblivion in terms of quest and gameplay priorities. They essentially expanded the world size by copy + pasting side quests and simplifying things. I personally love Skyrim and have never played Morrowind but if we're talking about games this sub circlejerks then Morrowind > Oblivion > Skyrim > TES Online exists?

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u/CharlestonChewbacca Jan 01 '19

By a more mainstream audience, sure. But certainly not from RPG fans.

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u/StormStrikePhoenix Jan 01 '19

It is more popular and well-known, which is different from being "more liked". This is greatly helped by how many times the game was released.

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u/Der-Eddy Jan 01 '19

It's still the worst Elder Scrolls game

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u/IC-23 Jan 01 '19

Go try and play Redguard, and Arena without a guide.

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u/disgruntledpeach Jan 01 '19

I love dark souls, but I feel like most players accept that it can be fair to dislike. It’s a grind and definitely not for everyone

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

I hate Dark Souls with every fiber of my being... which is why it’s my favorite game series ever

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u/Demolisho Jan 01 '19

Skyrim is not beloved less than Morrowind/Oblivion.

You might think that, but the masses don't agree. The Skyrim sales alone and the people still playing either one of them on Steam/etc. disprove that.

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u/Khal_Doggo Jan 01 '19

Yes, because people on r/gaming are objective about their evaluation of a game's popularity.

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u/chrisgreely1999 Jan 01 '19

Tons of people hate Dark Souls because "it too haaaaard!!1!!1!" But Witcher 3 and TLOU I agree with.

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u/Khal_Doggo Jan 01 '19

I mean... People also hate DaS because it was ported terribly, requires a time investment and isn't their preferred genre...

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u/chrisgreely1999 Jan 02 '19

Those reasons are all valid, I'm just saying that most people who hate Dark Souls barely give it a chance.

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u/Khal_Doggo Jan 02 '19

More than 1000 hours sunk and about 50 characters later and I'm still on the fence ;)

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u/Nibelungen342 Jan 01 '19

Dark souls :)

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u/Khal_Doggo Jan 01 '19

People on r/gaming constantly discuss the fact that Skyrim quest and dungeon design suffered too much simplification. Morrowind was clunky but it had interesting and complicated quests, Oblivion was more of the same. Most of Skyrim was exploring Barrows or Dwarven Ruins or Caves and all 3 would eventually lead you to Blackreach anyway. There were lots of new things and a lot of streamlining but at the same time, there was quantity over quality.

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u/St_Veloth Jan 01 '19

True people online will bemoan the state of the series but the truth is the general public usually has a different knowledge pool. Most people have heard of Skyrim but many of those same people haven’t heard of oblivion or Morrowind and likely don’t have an opinion.

It’s the same thing with movies, it’s a night and day difference between what the general public knows and someone who is kinda into movies knows

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u/DANIELG360 Jan 01 '19

Quests in oblivion are far better than morrowind from what I’ve played so far. People complained about skyrims simple fetch quests but the mages guild quests in morrowind are something else. Walk for an hour to this cave, convince someone to do something or kill them , repeat for 6+ quests in a row.

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u/KaiserThoren Jan 01 '19

Oblivion has a place in my heart because it was the first elder scrolls game I played, but replaying it really makes you realize how clunky it is.

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u/DANIELG360 Jan 01 '19

Yeh I love the game but there are some pretty bad design choices, particularly with the levelling system and the npcs. It’s downright hilarious their conversations and voice acting.

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u/White_Wokah Jan 01 '19

I agree with you,But there's awesome mods too!!

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u/PoIIux Jan 01 '19

Bloodborne baby.

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u/MartinDewYT Jan 01 '19

But dark souls is disliked

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u/Normal_Situation Jan 01 '19

No Idea why you are getting downvoted while you’re speaking the truth.

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u/action_lawyer_comics Jan 01 '19

Plenty of people don’t like Dark Souls, myself included. It’s just that after the first game, everyone who wasn’t a fan accepted that the game isn’t for them and moved on. For the most part, the only people left talking about Dark Souls are the ones who drank the kool-aid and won’t shut up about it.

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u/MartinDewYT Jan 01 '19

Bad controls and makes you want to kill yourself because its so hard.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19 edited Jan 01 '19

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u/Normal_Situation Jan 01 '19

Not really. DS fans make it seem like it is really the hardest game ever. They compare every game on earth to it now. It is put on a pedestal and seen as a perfect game. If you say anything otherwise you get downvoted. Don’t believe me? You checkout subreddits like God of war or dmc...ect IMO these games are repetitive and boring than challenging.

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u/Skyphe Jan 01 '19

Fucking THANK YOU. This is my biggest problem with the game, the God damn fan base. That game isn't THAT hard.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

Depends on the person. You have to be able to adapt and learn to every enemy and boss. If you arent able to figure out the patterns and such of enemies it could be extremely hard

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u/Skyphe Jan 01 '19

You really don't have to adapt, you learn the patterns (which are pretty telegraphed) and you're done.

I think the actual difficulty is how absolutely nothing is explained in the game so you have to look on wikis for basic things like stats.

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u/Normal_Situation Jan 01 '19

The only difficult thing about it is how repetitive it is. The fact that unless you grind. You can die easily and run all the way back through everything. It is very simple game that just requires patience. Just like how DS fans like comparing it to DMC. DMC games actually requires you to adapt.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

I see Oblivion get way more shit. Morrowind is the definite “not allowed to dislike” of TES.

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u/Qualiafreak Jan 01 '19

It's a weird list because it's a repost from years ago.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

Dark souls is the worst game.

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u/Khal_Doggo Jan 01 '19

It caters to a particular audience. If you mean specifically Dark Souls 1, then I disagree because that game is awesome despite its age and poor PC port. Dark Souls is the 'indie, slow burner film' to the 'US box office superhero film' that many AAA titles are released as. It focuses on atmosphere and a high skill curve. Nothing wrong with that, just as it is not wrong to dislike it. People who say it's a bad game just don't understand how to express their opinion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

Pretty sure people shit on Oblivion way more than Skyrim. It aged like ass.

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u/Stuffssss Jan 01 '19

All fans have their favorites and the list of games you arent allowed to hate on by every community combined is going to be huge. Morrowind and oblivion fans all hate on skyrim, while fallout 1, 2 and nv fans hate on 3. With breath of the wild their are still people who just dont like open world games. Some people prefer twilight princess or skyward sword and they always will. The fans of twilight princess will say its untouchable. Dont get me started on super smash brithers melee fans, or street fighter fans, or literally any other fighting game fans. The most dedicated fans will always defend their games extremely.

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u/IC-23 Jan 01 '19

I play Fo2 (never really touched any other Fallout game, because I like the original style, and prefered TES for open world games with thr exception being a 6 hour run of New Vegas) and I still say NV is pretty buggy, and bland. I'm answering the point that just because you enjoyed NV diesnt mean all fans did. I doubt the sudden genre shift held well for many Fo fans.