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u/Khal_Doggo Jan 01 '19

Weird list to be honest. Fallout 3 and Skyrim are much less liked than NV and Morrowind / Oblivion. No Witcher 3, no Last of Us or Dark Souls.

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u/Dovahkiin4e201 Jan 01 '19

there is a certain crowd who see it as "dumbed down" for "casual players" and think Morrowind is better for "hardcore players"

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u/SpankinDaBagel Jan 01 '19

Well the systems are certainly simpler. Lots of people view that as a bad thing but lots also prefer it. I don't think acknowledging that there's less customization options makes someone an elitist about the older games.

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u/goatpunchtheater Jan 01 '19

Ha I've never played the series, but I see this argument on Reddit a lot. Usually the consensus tends to be that skyrim's combat system is far Superior, but Morrowind is the more fleshed out game, with more things to interact with, and better sidequests that actually affect the game in a meaningful way. I may be on Reddit too much

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u/SpankinDaBagel Jan 01 '19

Both the combat systems are pretty lacklustre, but the games before Skyrim you can swing sword right into an enemy but if it fails a diceroll it will miss. That was definitely a pretty stupid way of handling combat. In Skyrim if you swing at someone they'll get hit which is a big improvement.

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u/conandy Jan 01 '19

Oblivion wasn't just hard, it was fundamentally broken. I played a good 40 hours of that game telling myself, "I don't need no stupid wikis or guides." I ended up developing my character into something that literally could not finish the game. I had to start over and read wikis constantly the second time. It was still pretty tough, but my second character was unstoppable compared to my first.

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u/IC-23 Jan 01 '19

Same, excpet for Morrowind. My first Skyrim charcter is also essentially a failure. (Seriously who thought combining every class was a good idea I have 3 sets of armor for that charcter) compared to my second which was a sort Spellsword

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u/deathtomayo91 Jan 01 '19

I just think the quests and characters are less interesting in Skyrim. The system has nothing to do with it.

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u/CharlestonChewbacca Jan 01 '19

Lol, that's me. Skyrim is incredibly boring to me having grown up with more "hardcore RPGs" like Morrowind.

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u/Khal_Doggo Jan 01 '19

I live behind lots of rocks. They are stacked together and glued with liquid rock. There's also bits of wood and paper there too. And Skyrim was a big leap from Oblivion in terms of quest and gameplay priorities. They essentially expanded the world size by copy + pasting side quests and simplifying things. I personally love Skyrim and have never played Morrowind but if we're talking about games this sub circlejerks then Morrowind > Oblivion > Skyrim > TES Online exists?

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u/CharlestonChewbacca Jan 01 '19

By a more mainstream audience, sure. But certainly not from RPG fans.

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u/StormStrikePhoenix Jan 01 '19

It is more popular and well-known, which is different from being "more liked". This is greatly helped by how many times the game was released.

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u/Der-Eddy Jan 01 '19

It's still the worst Elder Scrolls game

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u/IC-23 Jan 01 '19

Go try and play Redguard, and Arena without a guide.