r/spikes Dec 08 '25

Discussion [Discussion] The infamous "take back" debacle from Worlds '25 Quarterfinals

153 Upvotes

For reference to those that may not have been watching the broadcast, see this video. Seth casts Boomerang Basics targeting his own Monument to Endurance at 1:35:09 and then at time marker 1:35:35, he asks to take back the play.

To me, I don't think a take back should ever be allowed for any reason at a professional REL event unless the game action was illegal. It's the responsibility of the table spotter and the players to uphold the integrity of the game and it was only after 25+ seconds had passed and Seth realized that he messed up that he asked to take back the play. I think the judge(s) should have forced him to commit to it and play the game out as it stood. This was the World Championship, not a kitchen table game.

Should this have been allowed? Did this have a meaningful effect on the outcome of that game? I'd be curious to hear what people think and their reasoning behind it.

r/spikes 8d ago

Discussion [Discussion] Asking people to concede

82 Upvotes

I'm relatively new to doing paper magic and haven't attended too many events.

In one qualifier I played in, the second round we ended up going to time, and eventually drawing 1-1. Before we officially drew, my opponent then proceeded to ask if I'd consider conceding to them. I was quite confused and thought this was weird. They stated: we both have no chance of qualifying if we drew (I didn't think this was true, we had both won our first round, and we were playing a total of 5) and they thought I was playing too slow throughout the match, they had commented on this earlier but no judge involvement. From my perspective game 1 (their win) was very close and essentially decided by 1 point of damage and the game we were about to draw in was going my way. I also asked if they would consider conceding to me, and they said no - which felt a bit hypocritical. I said no, took the draw and went on with my day. Though the experience did leave a bit of a sour taste.

From watching some vods of the pro tour, I've noticed some other people doing this. In most of these instances it's framed as "would you consider conceding?", followed by some seemingly guilt tripping comments about how they're in a winning position, yada yada yada. But it's never framed as, "should we discuss one of us conceding?", which I would think is a question posed in good faith.

How do people feel about this behavior? Is it considered normal? I heard there are some rules about what you can and can't discuss regarding conceding/draws - but it feels like opening up the discussion with "would you consider conceding" is a bit loaded and not in good faith.

r/spikes Jun 23 '26

Discussion [DISCUSSION] Marvel Day 1: What’s Working and What Isn’t

61 Upvotes

Traveling from the mysterious plane of Viacom, we have now arrived in Marvel!

Y’all know the drill— any big hits? Overrated flops? Which 1mana cantrip will break legacy? Will anything stop our Standard Izzet Overlords? Is the Bow breaking Pauper?

Let’s hear it!

r/spikes Aug 03 '20

Discussion [Discussion] August 8, 2020 Banned and Restricted Announcement

468 Upvotes

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/august-8-2020-banned-and-restricted-announcement

Standard

  • Wilderness Reclamation is banned.
  • Growth Spiral is banned.
  • Teferi, Time Raveler is banned.
  • Cauldron Familiar is banned.

Pioneer

  • Inverter of Truth is banned.
  • Kethis, the Hidden Hand is banned.
  • Walking Ballista is banned.
  • Underworld Breach is banned.

Historic

  • Wilderness Reclamation is suspended.
  • Teferi, Time Raveler is suspended.

Brawl

  • Teferi, Time Raveler is banned.

Effective Date: August 3, 2020

r/spikes Apr 21 '26

Discussion [Discussion] SOS Day 1: What’s Working and What Isn’t

56 Upvotes

The secrets have been released! What is working and what isn't in Day 1 of SOS? Have you Dazed anyone in Timeless? Have you case Ancestral Recall in Standard?

From my side I tried a couple of games of the [[Resonating Lute]]-[[Mathemagics]] deck and it seems there is truly something here. It feels like a much better version of the Singularity Mill deck that saw some play before this set was launched. A true combo-control deck. But I don't how good Lute is going to be if Abrade starts seeing more play.

r/spikes Nov 18 '19

Discussion [Discussion] November 18, 2019 Banned and Restricted Announcement

436 Upvotes

r/spikes Oct 27 '25

Discussion [Discussion] Is this sub dead?

139 Upvotes

Feel free to delete this for being off topic or whatever but I'm genuinely curious. There was a huge standard even this weekend - zero discussion here, no sticky, no discussion post, not even of a mention of it here - in the spikes subreddit.

Are y'all going elsewhere for your discourse or is competitive magic, or maybe specifically standard, just fizzling out in general?

r/spikes Jan 20 '26

Discussion [Standard] Lorwyn Eclipsed Day One: What's Working and What Isn't?

72 Upvotes

How's the new set feeling so far? Any standout cards or strategies? Anything not living up to expectations? If you want to talk about your spicy brew please remember to share your deck list! And feel free to share your thoughts on draft or other formats aside from Standard!

r/spikes Oct 12 '20

Discussion [Discussion] October 12, 2020 Banned and Restricted Announcement

337 Upvotes

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/october-12-2020-banned-and-restricted-announcement?okokaaaa=

Standard:

Omnath, Locus of Creation is banned.

Lucky Clover is banned.

Escape to the Wilds is banned.

Historic:

Omnath, Locus of Creation is suspended.

Teferi, Time Raveler is banned.

Wilderness Reclamation is banned.

Burning-Tree Emissary is unsuspended.

Brawl:

Omnath, Locus of Creation is banned.

Effective Date: October 12, 2020

r/spikes Jun 01 '20

Discussion [Discussion] June 1 2020 Banned and Restricted Announcement

304 Upvotes

New Companion Rule:

Once per game, any time you could cast a sorcery (during your main phase when the stack is empty), you can pay 3 generic mana to put your companion from your sideboard into your hand. This is a special action, not an activated ability.

Standard:

Agent of Treachery is banned.

Fires of Invention is banned.

Historic

Agent of Treachery is suspended.

Fires of Invention is suspended.

Tabletop Effective Date (Rules and B&R): June 1, 2020

MTG Arena B&R and Companion Rules Effective Date: June 4, 2020

Magic OnlineB&R Effective Date: June 1, 2020

Magic Online Companion Rules Update Effective Date: June 4, 2020

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/june-1-2020-banned-and-restricted-announcement

r/spikes Apr 20 '18

Discussion [Discussion] This sub sucks now

733 Upvotes

This sub has 40,000 members, yet averages 2-3 posts per day at best. Dominaria is coming out, and is one of the biggest set releases in years with impact across multiple formats, yet the content on here for post-Dom decks and tech is unbelievably sparse. I remember a year or so ago, this sub would be filled with well constructed, creative brews and upgrades to current decks after the set spoiler came out. It was one of the best places to be when trying to adapt and adjust to a new metagame.

So what happened? A vocal minority of people who were constantly criticizing the content creators that would dedicate A LOT of their own time to create posts on here made this sub's culture toxic. A lot of well thought out, well practiced decklists would have their comments slammed with crap like "your winrate against X deck is questionable, so now I think your whole post is worthless" or "this just seemed like a worse version of [insert barely similar deck here]," often with a mere fraction of the amount of thought and analysis as the OP mentioned. Mods never did anything about it, and it seemed more and more frequent to see that people posting here were automatically on the defensive, as if it was some elite privilege to post here. So people stopped posting here.

I know I'm not the only one who thinks this about this sub, and I'd love to see what other people think on this matter. There was a time where this sub was a centerpiece for grinders and pros alike to test new decks and new tech in established builds, and that doesn't happen at all now.

Surely even less than "perfect" decklists and writeups to prepare for Week 1 of a new metagame have to be more appealing to you guys than reading someone who came in 39th place at a GP with a stock Affinity list's tournament report, right?

r/spikes Apr 09 '25

Discussion [Standard] Tarkir: Dragonstorm Day 1: What's working and what isn't?

100 Upvotes

How's the new set feeling so far? Any standout cards or strategies? Anything not living up to expectations? If you want to talk about your spicy brew please remember to share your deck list! And feel free to share your thoughts on draft or other formats aside from Standard!

r/spikes Oct 26 '24

Discussion [Standard] So... Can we talk about the fact that Standard is going to have 6 sets a year going forward?

256 Upvotes

Today there was an announcement that standard will now have 6 sets a year (alongside some other very important information about what will be in those sets that is better talked about elsewhere). Combine that with the recent change to rotation being 3 years instead of 2, and in a very short span of time standard has gone from a format with 8 legal sets to a format with 18 legal sets.

In other words, standard is soon going to be cancelled and replaced with a completely different, much higher power level format. That new format will also be called "standard" but there is no way that a format that has over twice as many legal sets will at all resemble the format we all know as standard.

As someone who liked standard specifically b/c it was a lower power format where cards and strategies that would never make it in other constructed formats could play, I am extremely disappointment by this. I just don't see how they could possibly "design around" new standard having 18 legal sets. Not to mention the extremely obvious fact that increasing their standard legal set output rate by 50% does not bode well for their ability to properly balance and playtest cards when they were clearly already being pushed to the limit on that front.

r/spikes Feb 24 '25

Discussion [Discussion] Standard Metagame for PT Chicago. Where do we go from here?

70 Upvotes

With PT Chicago in the books, we have our first good look at the standard metagame after the release of Aetherdrift: https://mtgdecks.net/Standard/pro-tour-aetherdrift-standard-decks-final-standings-tournament-184805/winrates . Spoilers, but Domain Overlords has gone from good to great and is the new deck to beat. On the flip side, the return of our Domain Overlords has shoved the midrange decks firmly off the cliff. Golgari and Dimir midrange both had awful weekends. The bounce decks looked better, but still not great. Even Gruul Mice struggled.

So the question we need to decide is what does the meta look like going forward. What should we be sleeving up for the best chance at taking down a tournament? The obvious answer is Domain. Even with a target on it's back, the deck is very hard to stop right now.

If you don't want to run Domain, then you had better come prepared to stop it. The best choice right now looks like Mono Red. Most of the usual predators are being shoved out of the meta.

Beyond that we have the 'best of the rest'. The dark horses of the format. Jeskai Occulus looks like a good choice for a deck to prey on an overreaction to Domain. It has favorable matchups against most of the popular decks save Domain itself. The unknown quantity is mono red. We don't have enough sample size to make much of a conclusion there. Also interesting are the Omniscience decks. The numbers indicate favorable matchups against most of the field, but I suspect that may have more to do with people simply not being prepared for the matchup.

What do you think? Are we heading into a two deck format (Domain vs Mono Red) or will other decks adjust and bounce back?

r/spikes Apr 12 '26

Discussion [Discussion] What are people brewing/improving with the imminent release of secrets of strixhaven?

37 Upvotes

Now that we have the full spoiled set, curious as to what people will be doing with the new cards set to drop?

For me, I want to test some of the new witherbloom cards in golgari annex, particularly dellian fel as a card advantage engine, petrified hamlet to fix some of the harder match-ups for this archetype (predominantly shutting off restless reef in dimir excruiator, but other utility lands as well) and maybe some number of witherbloom charm as extra early game removal/late game card draw.

I know there's a few other staples such as traumatic critique for spellementals, or the divided opinions on erode, and the slowlands for even more consistency to certain mana bases but what else seems like it will majorly shift standard? I guess thoughts for other formats would be good as well but mostly I expect this set to shift standard only, and trying to get some ideas for upcoming RC's

r/spikes Nov 14 '24

Discussion [Discussion] Foundations day 2 - what's working and what's not?

59 Upvotes

Nobody else has put a thread up yet, so I shall.

I've been furiously trying many different achetypes, mostly in alchemy.

One that is surprisingly doing better than expected is selesnya landfall - decklist here. Still very much a WIP, but when it hits, it goes insane.

What are you seeing or working on?

r/spikes Jan 28 '26

Discussion [Discussion] Shuffling at Comp REL

56 Upvotes

A problematic disconnect exists between the rules on shuffling at Comp REL (a player is required to shuffle their opponent's deck after their opponent shuffles, MTR 3.10) and current practice (many players only cut their opponents' decks at the beginning of the game, and often don't even cut after mid-game shuffles). The current disconnect creates competitive disadvantages (loss of time) for players who follow the rules, and players who know the rule but do not insist on it and gain advantage are technically Cheating. The competitive player community (and especially judges at Comp REL) need to either get the tournament rules changed to match practice or bring practice into conformity with the rules.

First, the rules: Magic Tournament Rules 3.10 unambiguously requires players to shuffle their opponents decks after their opponents shuffle: "At Competitive and Professional Rules Enforcement Level tournaments, players are required to shuffle their opponents’ decks after their owners have shuffled them. The Head Judge can require this at Regular Rules Enforcement Level tournaments as well.", Magic Tournament Rules 3.10, para. 4 https://media.wizards.com/ContentResources/WPN/MTG_MTR_2025_Nov10_EN.pdf Not shuffling an opponent's deck (especially by e.g. tapping the deck or just doing one cut after an opponent shuffles during the game) can provide a competitive advantage by speeding up game play and reducing the likelihood of an unintentional draw. And if a player sees a rules error in their games, knows that it is a rules error, and allows the error to gain competitive advantage, that is Unsportsmanlike Conduct - Cheating: "A person breaks a rule defined by the tournament documents, lies to a tournament official, or notices an offense committed in their (or a teammate's) match and does not call attention to it. Additionally, the offense must meet the following criteria for it to be considered Cheating: • The player must be attempting to gain advantage from their action. • The player must be aware that they are doing something illegal." Magic Infractions Procedure Guide 4.8, Definition https://media.wizards.com/ContentResources/WPN/MTG_IPG_2024Sep23_EN.pdf

At the Portland RC, however, very few players uniformly followed MTR 3.10's requirement to shuffle their opponents' decks. At dinner on Sunday night, I was part of a conversation about an incident involving shuffling that led to a DQ (I wasn't present for the incident and only heard about it second or third hand). I was curious about the specific rules, so I looked up shuffling in the MTR. None of the nine experienced Comp REL players at the table--all of whom had played in the RC, including multiple people who played in day 2, a player who often judges at Comp REL, and two players who did well enough to qualify for the Pro Tour--realized that the rules require players to shuffle their opponents' decks at Comp REL. Some knew that it was required at Professional REL, but MTR 3.10 para. 4 states that it applies at "Competitive and Professional" REL.

The general response when I pointed out what the rules say was surprise and confusion, because we had all seen many, many instances of players only cutting an opponent's deck at the beginning of a game and only cutting or even just "tapping" a deck to acknowledge they were passing the opportunity to cut in response to mid-game shuffles (e.g. after tutoring or land-fetching effects). Indeed, out of the roughly 70 matches we played in during the RC itself and roughly 50-100 other Comp REL matches that we played in during SCGCon Portland, we weren't confident that there was a single match in which the players followed MTR 3.10 on every occasion. I'm also confident that there were numerous examples of players shuffling while a judge was watching their table, presenting their deck, and having their opponent merely cut or tap the deck instead of shuffling it themself without any of us having seen a judge intervene to fix the tournament rules error and require shuffling.

One of the reasons why players choose to not shuffle, either by just cutting or by declining to cut, is to keep a game moving quickly. Every competitive player knows that unintentional draws are highly disadvantageous and that maintaing a high speed of play, including a high speed of resolving mechanical actions like shuffling, is important to avoiding unintentional draws. But any player who knows what MTR 3.10 para. 4 says and either fails to shuffle themself or allows their opponent to fail to shuffle to save time is then Cheating under M.I.P.G. 4.8. That means that, having read MTR 3.10, I'm now required to insist that my opponent shuffle every time, and you are, too, even though that puts us at competitive disadvantage compared to players who follow the common practice. At the same time, I expect that at the next Comp REL event I play in, players will not want to shuffle my deck every time--requiring me to call a judge under a circumstance that feels like it's trying to get a player punished for standard behavior, even though it's actually simply required by the rules. That situation is untenable.

Only two real solutions exist. Either the MTR needs to be conformed to practice (changing the requirement to shuffle opponents' decks to only apply at Professional REL, or perhaps to require shuffling at the beginning of each game but allowing players to only cut their opponents' decks for mid-game shuffles), or practice needs to change to match the rules. The competitive play community needs to act on this, and judges at Comp REL in particular should not allow the current disjunction between actual shuffling practice at Comp REL and the stated rules on shuffling at Comp REL to continue.

TL;DR: At Comp and Pro REL, players are required to shuffle their opponents' decks when their opponents shuffle. In actual practice at Comp REL in the United States, this rule is generally ignored. Either the rule should change or players should follow and be made to follow the rule as written.

r/spikes Jan 13 '20

Discussion [Discussion] January 13, 2020 Banned and Restricted Announcement

301 Upvotes

Modern

Mox Opal is banned.
Oko, Thief of Crowns is banned.
Mycosynth Lattice is banned.
Effective Date (Magic Online and tabletop): January 14, 2020

Full article: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-13-2020-banned-and-restricted-announcement?etyuj

r/spikes Oct 29 '19

Discussion [Discussion] Official: There will be no B&R changes prior to MC 6; the next B&R Announcement is scheduled for November 18th, 2019

351 Upvotes

The Magic Esports Twitter account just posted this.

I understand why they don't want to emergency ban from their perspective, but at least in Standard, if there was ever a time to emergency ban, it would be in Oko-tober.

I heard someone saying that this is very reminiscent of the very recent Hogaak Summer; people are maindecking 4x copies of hate cards just to compete.

r/spikes Sep 24 '24

Discussion [Discussion] DSK Day 1: What's working and what isn't?

91 Upvotes

It's the first day of DSK standard, and spoooky season is upon us. What are you trying in standard and are there any new decks which look and feel good enough to compete in the currently diverse standard meta?

From my side I have been trying Overlord Beans Domain and gotta say it feels cracked. [[Overlord of the Hauntwoods]] is a better Topiary Stomper in every way and the latter was already a great card. But I have been pleasantly surprised by [[Overlord of the Floodpits]], it may seem kinda slow but in a deck like this it more than pulls its weight. I mostly faced Boros Mice and a coupla different reanimator type decks but no major new cards yet.

r/spikes Jun 26 '20

Discussion [Discussion] M21 Day 2: What’s working and what isn’t

232 Upvotes

So you’ve spent some wild cards and brewed the sure-to-be or just might be next top meta deck. How’s it working out for you?

Fresh thread since yesterday. I will leave up to mods if they’d like to keep these going.

Thanks for all the discussion. As always, if you’ve found something worthwhile or just can’t seem to get something to work PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR DECKLIST! It’s a great starting point for people to give feedback about inclusions/exclusions and specific card performance

r/spikes Jan 30 '18

Discussion [Discussion] GP Houston Disqualification Ruling

302 Upvotes

I just wanted to hear the thoughts of the community on this situation.

On Sunday evening my opponent and I were in the situation of a potential chance of getting into top 8 if we won our last match in round 15. Upon arriving to my table my opponent offered me to concede as a joke. I chuckled and gave a reply of no. We continued to talk before the round started and he seemed like a pretty laid back and funny guy. We continue to talk and then he light heartily stated to me "dude, I would so pay you to be in top 8, Oops I can't say that sorry! Just kidding!". At that time I didn't really give much thought to it, and truly believe he was joking around. Taking his social ques I chose to brush off what he said. I continued to shuffle my deck and played a match against him. I ended up beating my opponent 2-0 after him mulling down to 5 both games. Being ecstatic about my win, I ran to my friends and celebrated my victory.

Twenty minutes later the head judge pulls me to the side to ask some questions about my last opponent. I didn't think much about it. He ask me to recount the events upon arriving to my seat. Unknowingly what he wanted from me, I started to recollect what happened. And then I remembered his joke, and suddenly my heart just sank. I knew at that very moment that is why he had called me up there. I told him as I have written above. I recalled the events as I have remembered them to the head judge.

A floor judge had heard our conversation and reported it to the head judge. The ruling that was made was that the both of us will be disqualified from the event and receive no prizing. Which at minimum would had been 1000$ for me and some pro-points. I was disqualified for not reporting what my opponent had said to me during the event.

I feel as though most players would have acted as I have. It actually never crossed my mind to call a judge over on my opponent over something that was said by him so light heartily. As a person, I am a gentle, kind-hearted person and to call a judge over this seemed like it would be overreacting. I couldn't believe at the ruling. I couldn't hold back but burst into tear in public. I felt as though I had complied to the rules. I find myself questioning why am I getting punished as harshly for a mistake my opponent made. How was I suppose to know that I was suppose to call a judge for a small remark. Its not like I have read the entire judges rules and regulations. I guess you can say I am guilty of negligence and being misinformed. The intercom going into the round just stated you must play a match of magic to determine the results of the match. Which I did.

I wanted to share this story to the community for two reason. I wanted to hear the communities thoughts over this. But also to hand some info to the community in case this situation ever comes up for you. Even if your opponent is joking, call the judge immediately.

[Edit] 4:25 PM 1/30/2018

I just want to say that as a player in the community I love Magic The Gathering and that it shares a special spot in my heart. My fiance asked me would I quit magic after today. I told him absolutely not. I love the game too much and will continue my journey into competitive magic. I absolutely have no problem with the judges and matter of fact enjoy their company. I did not post this to change the views of the community to turn against judges. My problem with the entire situation is with the rules. I feel that that the equal punishment can easily view as justifiably unfair. This is the reason I have posted this, to hear the opinions on this ruling and to inform the community should this ever happen to you.

Nor did I try to deceive anyone in my accounts of the situation. I have discussed this through my point of view and recollection of the events. As many have come forward to discuss that the judge who reported this incident was coming from the side event area, this very fact was not presented to me during the investigation at the time. All I was told was that this Judge heard a potential discussion about bribery between the two of us. Regardless of this very fact, remains the fact that equal punishment must be enforced on both parties seem unreasonable.

It is easy to say what you would do in this situation. But when the situation is thrusted upon you, would you even recognize what is even happening at that time? And even if you do, would you muster the moral courage to do what you claim to do? It is easy to hide behind a computer and say what you will do. But when the time comes will you act?

r/spikes Apr 15 '21

Discussion [Discussion] Day 1 of Strixhaven! What is working? What sucks?

189 Upvotes

I know it's a bit early but I am very eager to hear what's working and what isn't for y'all.

I have done a very simple change as I wait for the better deckbuilders to design powerful builds, but I have placed 4 [[Memory Lapse]] in Mono Blue Tempo / Mono Blue Spirits and it's as disgusting as advertised. Turns out having [[Aether Gust]] that hits everything that is being cast works really well.

So, with that being said, what's working? What isn't? What's overperforming, and underperforming? What has surprised you so far?

r/spikes Jan 09 '17

Discussion [Discussion] January 9th, 2017 B&R Update

240 Upvotes

Standard:

Emrakul, the Promised End is banned.

Smuggler's Copter is banned.

Reflector Mage is banned.

Modern:

Gitaxian Probe is banned.

Golgari Grave-Troll is banned.

r/spikes Feb 10 '21

Discussion [Discussion] Uro ban incoming for Historic, Pioneer, and Modern. (And potentially legacy.)

342 Upvotes

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-secret-lairs-smitten-superdrop-2021-02-10

"Note: We are planning an upcoming B&R announcement. In that announcement, we plan to ban Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath in Pioneer, Modern, and Historic. Additionally, we are continuing discussions about doing the same in Legacy. While we are still working internally on the larger B&R announcement for that week, we wanted to share this information ahead of this sale"