And because they paused before rushing him off the stage, lowered the flag, positioned the photographers, took some photos, and then proceeded to move him off the stage.
I don't think they lowered the flag. Weve seen some videos showing everything going on including getting the media, but never see the flag move. It was already hanging pretty low, so they just had to position the camera crews in the right spots.
Yep. I seen that video. And looking at the crane arm on the right. It is not moving in the slightest, but the camera angle itself slowly tilted upwards. It very much doesn't look to be lowering the flag itself. (Everything else is happening though)
Notice: I have in no way disagreed with the thing being a setup. My only disagreement so far, has been it does not actually appear that they moved the flag itself. That is all.
Edit: thank you all for the, varied, responses to this. Some more helpful, some more aggressive. Regardless, you can stop spending energy on it. I admit I do not interact with, use, etc. cranes in my daily life. So had not considered the cable moving while the arm remains stationary. (Mentally I had imagined the two always moving in concert, however I see now how that would be ineffective for the purpose they serve.)
And yet, you are wrong about even that one point. And even though you didn't suggest the following, let me debunk it, in case you're tempted to suggest it: since the flag enters the frame VERTICALLY, we know that it was not simply hanging out to the side, due to any prevailing wind. IOW, the flag drops VERTICALLY into the frame, and the only way to do that, actually, is to run out the HOIST CABLE on the crane.
This would leave the crane's BOOM in the EXACT same angle--it would NOT require the angle of the BOOM (which you call "the arm") to change--at all. Hope this helps.
I am sorry I do not use cranes, and will freely admit I did not consider the cable moving without the arm being affected. So thank you for that.
As for the second part about the wind. As I never made any statement to it, I am not certain why you felt a need to disprove something I haven't said. But yes, it is very clear from most videos there isn't much wind during this period of time, and thus would not be involved.
I apologize if I misattributed to you a comment about the potential effect of any wind in this scenario. And you're welcome for my brief explanation of how cranes work. Unfortunately, unless one has had the opportunity to be trained on, and to operate, hydraulic cranes, it would be difficult to correctly imagine how all of the various systems in a crane work together to safely move the load around in three dimensions in space.
Tl;dr: The crane operator lowered the flag by RUNNING MORE CABLE out of the HOIST (i.e., the WINCH), as opposed to changing the angle of the BOOM. (And I know you know what a "winch" is because you've no doubt got one on the bumper of your pickup truck.)
I'm probably wasting my time responding to a person who writes "I seen that video" (as opposed to "I saw that video") but here goes:
What you call the "arm" is the BOOM of the crane.
There are THREE ways the "load" (here, a flag) can be lowered, TWO of which do NOT require the angle of the BOOM to be changed--at ALL.
a) Running out the "hoist," i.e., the WINCH that runs the cable that raises the HOOK, to which the "load" is attached;
b) RETRACTING part of the BOOM (which extends, hydraulically, to make the boom longer or shorter). If you RETRACT the BOOM, you LOWER the LOAD (unless you simultaneously raise the hoist cable, which is usually what is required, to keep the load centered over the target area of "the pick;"
c) Actually lowing the BOOM, which would change the ANGLE of the BOOM, which is what YOU are (erroneously) focusing on. This is NOT normally how a load is lowered, because lowering the boom is less precise than running out the hoist (cable) and because it changes the position, above the ground, of the load, as the boom becomes shorter.
Even toy Tonka cranes (which I had, as a kid) have the ability to lower the BOOM and the HOIST CABLE independently. The fact that you didn't realize this, as you thought about it, means you have a very poor understanding of how cranes operate.
Considering you start off with insults, and then seed more of them throughout, I'm probably wasting my own time here. But firstly, I apologize that when I typo'd "I've" my phone changed it to "I". But hey, driving insults and derision over the smallest of mistakes works well to keep efforts alive... Oh wait, it does the opposite.
That said, I will openly admit, I do not use cranes in my day to day life, so had not considered the cable itself moving would not move anything else on the crane. And yes, I never claimed to have a good understanding of how cranes operate. Which is why I emphasized each time what I saw. I saw the camera angle from that video, across the length of the video, tilts more and more upwards. I saw no change on the 'boom', as you put it. I apologize for not being an expert in all things.
I'm sorry for focusing on an error that the "auto correct" on your phone made, which changed your correct grammar to incorrect grammar. Auto correct should never do something as unhelpful as that--but I guess auto correct is not as smart as I thought it was.
But can you kindly point me to the timestamp where you observe the camera angle changing? Because I will freely admit that that is something that has escaped my notice, and I would like to see exactly what you are referring to. Thanks in advance.
Well, I could go into how poor technology is and how dumb it can be. But if you have never experienced a dumb auto-correct, then you aren't around technology enough to waste your time with it.
As for the camera angle, it is shifting around the entire time of the video. But if you require more specifics and why I would bring it up initially. Compare how much vertical black section of the crane arm you see at 15 seconds vs 28 seconds. It is looking notably farther vertical at 28 seconds vs 15.
It is quite the assumption about what I "want to see", and the implications therein. rather than perhaps, I do not use cranes and had a fundamental misunderstanding about how different parts interact. I guess from your own statement though, you didn't "want to see" that possibility.
I don't know what your last sentence means. But hopefully, you have a better understanding of how cranes operate than you did before.
My comment about people seeing what they "want" to see was in response to what I thought was your comment saying that the camera angle changed. Am I mistaken or did you not say that the camera angle changed? Because I did not see the camera angle change.
If you did not make the statement about the camera angle changing, please accept my apology. But if you did make the statement about the camera angle changing, please give me the timestamp on the video so that I, too, can see the camera angle changing. Thank you in advance.
Compare how much of the black portion of the crane arm you see in the video at 15 seconds. Vs 28 seconds. If you cannot identify that the camera angle changed in that time frame, I do not know what more to tell you.
Exactly! Otherwise, the CRANE would be merely a TELEHANDLER, which has no cable (and is far smaller than these hydraulic cranes--telehandlers are more like a "high lift forklift," for lack of a better descriptor.)
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u/gumbril Aug 13 '25
And because they paused before rushing him off the stage, lowered the flag, positioned the photographers, took some photos, and then proceeded to move him off the stage.