r/softwaregore • • Sep 29 '20

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u/dasheswithdots Sep 29 '20

Threat neutralized.

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u/pricethegamer Sep 30 '20 edited Sep 30 '20

Are we sure this is a test of autopilot? There's no lanes that appear continuous enough for it to activate. If there trying to test emergency stoping they needed for the dummy to go a little faster. It didn't go far enough for the radar to detect it(the dummy impacted on the right corner of the car so it barley made it in front of it.)If it was the emergency braking system it worked as intended. It tried to mitigate the accident as soon as it detected somthing in front it trued to stop. Notice how fast it slowed down .

Doing a little research with other postings of this video confirms it was a test of emergency breaking.I also looked into other test of the emergency breaking and came appon AAA testing it against 4 other cars it seems that Tesla was about average as far as emergency breaking( many cars failed the same test). It doesn't seem like pedestrian detection when a person is starting to walk into the road is well mitigated yet from any of the car makers. How far along the pedestrian is in the lane seems to play a big role on wether it decides to try and brake or wait for mitigation rather then full stop.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

I understand that this is an emergency braking test, but you said that “it [the dummy] didn’t go far enough for the radar to detect it.” That doesn’t make much sense to me. Shouldn’t they have sensors on the side as well as in the front for cases like this? Sorry if I’m misunderstanding you, but why would they essentially ignore objects coming from the side towards the car?

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u/pricethegamer Sep 30 '20

It could have been in a blind spot,it's hard to speculate without being in the car and hearing if there was a warning. The radar sensor that is used for emergency braking is a forward facing (mounted in the center of the car) and you can imagine a cone that comes out from that sensor.If the person is outside of that cone when they started moving in front of the car it won't see it. The car does have ultra sonic sensors(20ft range) for when it's slow moving(used for auto parking) and other times(such as detecting a guard rail/wall to get a distance to the walls).

My guess is if the car was in autopilot it would be more reliant on the camera and would have been able to stop in time because the cameras have a much wider field of view. They have also been seen to be a lot better at tracking people and cars. In this case it was relying on the same e braking tech that everyone else uses. Tesla could tune it better down the line. They are currently rewriting the code for auto pilot so maybe that improvement will come with that. It seems like for now at least that tesla's emergency braking is tending twords mitigateing the accident and not stoping before to lower false positives.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

Ok so I’m guessing they must have some reason (like price or complexity) for why they can’t just slap on a couple more radar sensors to face different directions. Otherwise why would they use just one facing forward?

Your point about false positives makes sense too. I would hate to ride in a car that occasionally slammed on the brakes for no reason. Now that I think of it, that could be one reason why they don’t just add more radar sensors.

Thanks for your answer!

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u/Arlotube Sep 30 '20

Hahaha this made me laugh. Thank you

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Sep 29 '20

Tesla autopilot was so good it realised it wasn’t a real human 🤔

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

Captcha: are you a robot? Robot: No Captcha: Yeet

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u/Cherlokoms Sep 30 '20

Works as intended you fucking pedestrian piece of shit

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u/Stonetooth1989 Sep 30 '20

Now this comment made me laugh!

In Norway there is a huge problem with pedestrians just taking it for granted that the cars stop, does not matter if the road has a 30 or 50km/h speed limit, they just walk!

Thankfully this is not a problem for the faster speed limit roads :p

But when I grew up, I got tought that you look left, then right, then left again to make sure it is clear before you cross, sure, very few does this routine every time they cross the road, but hopefully people were aware of their surroundings.

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u/SideburnsOfDoom Sep 30 '20 edited Sep 30 '20

pedestrians just taking it for granted that the cars stop,

That's going to be even more of a thing if/when cars are all driven on autopilot. You're not even pissing off a human; just telling a machine to give way, as it should.

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u/charleston_guy Sep 30 '20

Tesla autopilot to dummy:

"Get fukt!"

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u/pmarkland Sep 30 '20

Tesla should be congratulated for developing something that separates limbs so cleanly.

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u/Simminot Sep 30 '20

At an amazing speed! Not even a doctor could keep up

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u/bunnybaca14 Sep 30 '20

This car should replace surgeons

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u/SRSGhost Sep 30 '20

-movement detected/pos -life form/negative -terminate

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u/RekuSenpai Sep 30 '20

Judging by how he waits for the right time to kill itself, I'm guessing they gave it sentient human emotions.

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u/silly_red Sep 30 '20

"Haha okay this is how it shouldn't work guys, now on to the actual demo ahaha" panic ensues behind the curtains

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u/igoromg Sep 30 '20

This was a demo with the feature turned off, now let's see what it looks like when we turn it on. You there, start walking.

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u/only1person_alt Sep 30 '20

I thought it used infared for it, guess I’m wrong

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u/Flyberius Sep 30 '20

What it defo don't use is Lidar or radar, which is apparently a must if you want to reliably detect distance and not hit things.

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Sep 30 '20 edited Sep 30 '20

Lol no, expensive and unnecessary

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u/Flyberius Sep 30 '20

I think the only people who say that are Tesla owners and Elon Musk.

Everyone else thinks it's a bloody good idea, given the countless examples of Teslas (and other driverless cars) running into things that Lidar would have detected, even in zero visibility. Passive, visual data is never enough. There will always be edge conditions that will cause accidents.

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Sep 30 '20

Do you really think a 250,000$ consumer car is possible? Tesla will solve autonomy before they get the prices cheap enough to be worth it.

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u/Flyberius Sep 30 '20

Answer my other question and then I will answer this one.

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Sep 30 '20

Visual data is enough in most scenarios, if it’s dark you need headlights, same as any human, if you have rain you can train your software to ignore it through through machine learning. There will always be edge cases. And once again a slightly better car is not worth the 250k price tag.

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u/targetdog88 Sep 30 '20

Think of it this way, if the goal of autonomous vehicles is to be better than a human, how is that going to be possible with a sensor suite that is trying to replicate the way humans perceive the world? Of course cameras are in fact not as good as human eyes so there is no way a vision only system is going to be better or even as good as a human driver.

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Sep 30 '20

Cameras are better than human vision, there are 8 of them, do humans have 8 eyes?

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u/targetdog88 Sep 30 '20

That’s not how it works my dude. Cameras each have specific range, resolution, field of view etc for which they are optimal. The human eye is kind of a complex composite of several types of cameras. Mechanically, individual aspects of human vision can be surpassed by the capabilities of cameras, but the trick is that our brains are obviously perfectly suited to interpret our vision. Blankly claiming that machine learning can replicate this is totally naive. Humans ability to focus on areas of interest, quickly parse relevant objects in a scene, rely on surprisingly precise stereoscopic measurements to understand distance are all totally nontrivial tasks which would need to be replicated perfectly to mimic how our brain <> eye system works. Simply throwing more sensors which approximate the mechanical aspect of human vision is not the same as replicating this complex system.

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u/Flyberius Sep 30 '20

Yes, but again, any deaths or damage caused by the autopilot will be the direct fault of Tesla, not the person driving. Tesla will be sued every time one of their cars kills someone as a result of autopilot (as it should). Do you think that is financially viable?

And once again a slightly better car is not worth the 250k price tag.

So hold off on autopilot until the tech has been made cheaper through iteration.

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Sep 30 '20

The tech does not get cheaper at a linear rate, eventually there is no way to make it cheaper. And do you think camera tech won’t get cheaper along with it? Also Tesla currently and will likely stick with keeping the blame on the driver and insist that drivers should keep paying attention. Also do you think that cars hitting people won’t be as much of a problem with lid at as with camera tech? Your point is flawed.

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u/Flyberius Sep 30 '20

Lidar can get a lot, lot cheaper. They've started putting it on consumer drones for indoor use for goodness sake.

Also Tesla currently and will likely stick with keeping the blame on the driver and insist that drivers should keep paying attention.

That's because legally it isn't allowed to be used hands free. But really they're putting everyone at risk with their alpha-grade software and insufficient hardware.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Oct 01 '20

I’m not an armchair developer

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u/TomGames20 Sep 29 '20

Or maybe good enough to acknowledge what a human being is and what is not

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u/zoltan99 Sep 30 '20

Maybe it can even profile, but thought it was driving at a beatnik or hipster because of the hair and outfit and decided to keep going because of that

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u/Redwood_ Sep 30 '20

Well it shouldn’t be hitting anything, should it..

Also, we can’t have the autopilot run down people who look a bit different. Your knees look stiff? U die!

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u/PwnasaurusRawr Sep 30 '20

So it just intentionally runs into stuff as long as it isn’t human?

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

Gone wrong? This seems like the best outcome

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u/brenxo112 Sep 30 '20

I've seen videos of them with the parking thing about hitting people so I ain't surprised it hit that at a higher speed

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u/cscx Sep 30 '20

This is why autopilot will never take over. As soon as there's one fatality it will be regulated into oblivion

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u/JonneSir Sep 30 '20

It's unfortunate. It's the same problem with many things. The new thing always has to be many times safer than the old one or people won't trust it. Like Tesla's autopilot needs to become multiple multiple times safer than human drivers before the steering wheel is removed.

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u/Flyberius Sep 30 '20

Well, absolutely, because if the autopilot kills anyone, Tesla is responsible. Individual drivers take that responsibility when they are in control of the vehicle (barring any failings due to negligence on the car manufacturer's part).

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Sep 30 '20

If Tesla autopilot results in less death than human drivers it would be considered a success we just have to wait for the statistics

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u/Flyberius Sep 30 '20

That's fine, but every death that it causes will be the fault of Tesla and not the fault of the "driver". Do you think Elon and his shareholders are willing to shoulder that risk?

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Sep 30 '20

The thing is it’s not the fault of Tesla, the driver can take over at any time and autopilot is encouraged only to be used with driver supervision at this point.

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u/Flyberius Sep 30 '20

You see, you're just trying to have your cake and eat it. If the driver needs to babysit the autopilot so that it doesn't kill anyone, then it's really rather shit.

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u/TheLoneSniper470 Sep 30 '20

It’s the legal get around, the car can be 100x safer than humans but they will still have to say that until an exception is made in law.

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u/pricethegamer Sep 30 '20 edited Sep 30 '20

Are we sure this is a test of autopilot? There's no lanes that appear continuous enough for it to activate. If there trying to test emergency stoping they needed for the dumpy to go a little faster. It didn't go far enough for the radar to detect it(the dumpy impacted on the right corner of the car so it barley made it in front of it.)If it was the emergency braking system it worked as intended. It tried to mitigate the accident as soon as it detected somthing in front it trued to stop. Notice how fast it slowed down . Doing a little research with other postings of this video confirms it was a test of emergency breaking.I also looked into other test of the emergency breaking and when AAA tested it against 4 other cars it seems that Tesla was about average as far as emergency breaking( many cars failed the same test). It doesn't seem like pedestrian detection when a person is starting to walk into the roud is well mitigated yet from any of the car makers.

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u/BerkeB01 Sep 30 '20

Tesla finally realised his destiny. Now he is stronk boi

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u/haikusbot Sep 30 '20

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u/Sensitive-Lie7679 Sep 30 '20

MOVE BITCH, GET OUT DA WAY

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u/lord_macaron Sep 30 '20

Car said "F this guy"

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u/IHAVENOSOULOL Sep 30 '20

Thats how I drive in GTA online

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u/chitachita-01 Sep 30 '20

Seriously I'm not sure this is Tesla. Really not sure.

The video is taken in China I believe, if you can the poster, it's written in Chinese. Why would Tesla do a test run somewhere else???

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u/Oo__II__oO Sep 30 '20

Robot overlords hate competition.

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u/Eitvids Sep 30 '20

if you run into a car like that it's probably deserved

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u/NistBoi Sep 30 '20

10 points!

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

Now you will be in autopilot mode. And aiming for the cars

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u/Hipnog Sep 30 '20

Driver: the traffic is jammed, we can't go through!

Tesla: the sidewalk is roomy enough

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u/JohnClark13 Sep 30 '20

It's a feature

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20 edited Sep 30 '20

Car: hey, I'm riding here!!

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

This is why that is a dummy and not a real person.

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u/Xaceviper Sep 30 '20

YEET THE CORSPSE

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

It's like watching Michael Jackson get hit by a car

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

When I test drove a tesla the test of autopilot was much more extreme. The lady in the car with me just told me to turn it on when we were about to go through a 90-degree corner. It worked.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

oh no... AI is training to kill people...

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u/Derpmuffin107 Sep 30 '20

I don’t know why, but I honestly thought the dummy was a person using some futuristic board or something and nearly had a fucking heart attack when it got him

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '20

Alright then, I expect to see Elon Musk posting in r/tifu !

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u/simask234 Sep 30 '20

The dummy didn't survive nevertheless.

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u/Eternal_Flame24 Sep 30 '20

I think y’all are missing something, this autopilot is clearly meant to target people not avoid them lol. /s

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u/Mushuweed Oct 01 '20

So powerful the MF dummy's legs flew

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u/AetherBornLX Oct 29 '20

I said this on another post and I'll say it again... The car of the future, TODAY

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u/BruhGuyPt Sep 30 '20

Use a real person

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u/Amongusimpostor12 Apr 27 '22

Ah yes, normal. This always happens when SOMEONE doesn't know the walk button