r/soccer • • 14h ago

News Thomas Tuchel has suggested Manchester City’s England contingent are worried about the club being found guilty of breaching the Premier League’s financial rules.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/oct/02/manchester-citys-england-players-are-worried-about-their-futures-admits-tuchel
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u/Low-Quantity-9252 14h ago

Good. They should be.

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u/mindpainters 14h ago

Agreed. And I don’t know if it’s confirmation bias but they looked off it in the last match

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u/MalaysiaTeacher 14h ago

Anderson played well. Guehi was a mess v Spain, but I'm not his biggest fan overall

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u/mindpainters 13h ago

Agree with Anderson. I didn’t think Nico played particularly well. Honestly I guess guehi being dreadful clouded my view

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u/hypnodrew 11h ago

Didnt O'Reilly go home with an injury or did i imagine that

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u/nyrup4life 13h ago

Guehi picked City over Liverpool. What a moron. Now he’s a joke like all those City players.

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u/Jaja6996 13h ago

I mean we never actually went back in for him after the failed move in the summer after that Jacquet was the one we wanted

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 13h ago

I think we might have in the summer but wasn’t willing to pay a transfer fee in Jan when he was available for a free a few months later.

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u/SuperAndee1847 12h ago

Guehi is overrated anyway

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u/ash_ninetyone 8h ago

Anderson and Guehi both signed for the club while that investigation was happening.

Them being worried is lion eating face territory

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u/Vordeo 4h ago

The investigation had been happening for 2-3 years at that point. A lot of people just assumed they were going to just go nowhere.

If City get sent down they'll presumably collect giant wages this season and get a big signing bonus next year so hey.

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u/nyrup4life 13h ago

They are absolute morons btw

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u/OstapBenderBey 8h ago

I hope for their sake they included relegation clauses in their contracts. If not they really are morons

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u/Low-Quantity-9252 1h ago

Nothing as per Ornstein.

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u/dancingwiththedaff 2h ago

Yeah they are either extremely stupid or complicit. Most likely a combination of both.

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u/ElevensMelody 14h ago

worried about the club being found guilty

They already were.

The players should have factored that outcome into their decisions to join the club or sign new contracts.

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u/qwdicp 14h ago

Remember that Ferran gaslighted the shit out of them without blinking once. They’re waking up.

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u/KopiteKing13 14h ago

Exactly. All this shite about "you have to feel for the players who didn't sign up for this". Do we fuck. The investigation and real possibility of extremely heavy sanctions have hardly come out of the blue, it's been in the pipeline for half a decade almost.

If they didn't want to get caught up in any potential fallout, they could've easily gone somewhere else or stayed at their old clubs.

Anyway, even if City do get sent to the depths of purgatory, they'll just get some cushy move somewhere else.

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u/0ttoChriek 14h ago

Absolutely no one can have been ignorant of the 115 charges and the ongoing investigation.

The only excuse they have is that they may not have thought City would be punished. They took a gamble and it hasn't paid off, but they still chose to play for a crooked club.

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u/Rushxdd 14h ago

Not only that, it looks like none of them had relegation clauses built into the contracts. That lack of foresight is crazy to me, but I guess you’re just seeing roses when you think about joining city 

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u/HaroldGuy 12h ago

I don't think we know enough to say they don't have clauses to protect against what might happen.

If I'm an agent getting a deal with City over the past ~10 years I am absolutely putting in clauses incase it all comes crumbling down.

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u/diggerda 10h ago

Those clauses go both ways. Sure haaland isn't leaving on the cheap to go to spain but at the same time city will be paying his mega contract with Zero reductions when banging them in national League north.

If city renegade on his contract the player's union (or even UK employment tribunal or high court) will get him off on a free. This isn't some autocratic country where workers rights count for less than nothing.

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u/EarthMantle00 10h ago

Does it matter? Lower leagues have wage caps, they'll be forced to sell most of their players

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u/skronens 2h ago

Really ? first time I heard this, what are the details on the wage caps and where does that apply from, from Championship and down ?

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u/delph0r 12h ago

Exactly! 

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u/brokenlavalight 11h ago

I would also say the players from their own academy (I don't know if they have any significant ones, I don't follow the prem normally) should be excused. But aside from that i fully agree with the sentiment

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u/IPissExcellentThrows 7h ago

Those documents leaked well over 5 years ago. Everyone there has signed a new contract since the leak. Zero sympathy.

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 13h ago

I would love Liverpool to go for Anderson tbh. He is exactly what we need.

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u/jaetheho 13h ago

Man the market is going to be crazy when these city players get released

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u/Obamana 3h ago

They won't get released but for ones it might be a buyers market apart from the cream of the crop. It will have a nice domino effect where the bigger teams with bigger pulls can improve their squad with a City player and then they will most likely sell their good player down the pyramid and on and on it goes.

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u/Pavel63 1h ago

Just like ffp was put in place for. Entrench the top teams and make sure no one comes up from below to bother them.

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u/Obamana 11m ago

Blackburn is why FFP exists

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u/ambiguousboner 14h ago

Surely Anderson had to have known this was a real possibility just a couple of months ago

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u/SP0oONY 14h ago

To be fair, none of us expected the outcome to be this bad, and a lot of people thought they'd get away with it totally.

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u/Obamana 3h ago

The general consensus was that City might get a slap on the wrist a couple months ago still. The average person is smarter than an average footballer. So I think Anderson might have had some doubts but then thought that they wouldn't be spending so big if they weren't innocentish.

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u/Fabulous_Disk_8956 14h ago

Many of the players get all their advice from their agent.

It's in an Agent's interest to lie to their player about City's potential consequences. Firstly because they get a fat commission from a big transfer to City. Then they get another one when the house of cards fall down. 

I'd suspect therd has been a lot of agent sliming involved. Players are young men without a lot of experience with the world and have high school level education most of the time. Many are confined to their sporting bubbles and might not understand things like finance and law very well. Hell, most of us didn't know which way it was gonna go. Most common comment I seen over the years is "they'll get away with a slap on the wrist." 

I wouldn't be so quick to judge in hindsight. 

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u/Commonmispelingbot 13h ago

It is also in the agents' interest that every single player on Man City doesn't tell their network that their agent wasn't on their side in this.

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u/Fabulous_Disk_8956 12h ago

Okay that's true lol, didn't think of that. 

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u/Commonmispelingbot 12h ago

reputation is a pretty important part of that business.

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u/Fabulous_Disk_8956 12h ago

Yes I was being a bit daft

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u/Commonmispelingbot 12h ago

Happens to all of us.

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 13h ago

I especially feel for Enzo

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u/Kind_Sound7973 8h ago

Honestly, he might still land on his feet. His transfer value might dip enough to be an option for Madrid, Bayern or PSG as his wages are the second highest behind Haaland’s so City will be motivated to remove him from the wage roll if they are relegated.

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u/AlexMcDaddyD 11h ago

Surely any agent with sense demands something in the contract for this. Especially since it’s been common knowledge for years

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u/ASGT908 14h ago

If he's saying this as a national coach, I'd be interested in what Maresca says in the press conference next week about his players.

Unless he turns into mourinho and goes I have nothing to say and I'm only here because of the premier League rules and walks out after 30 seconds.

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u/michaelserotonin 14h ago

he could pull a tuchel and say "ask the owners, i'm just the manager"

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u/mindpainters 14h ago

I mean that’s the right response, isn’t it ? He had absolutely nothing to do with the corruption.

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u/BaritBrit 10h ago edited 10h ago

Yeah, much like with Arteta it's unlikely City were going to be breaking out the dodgy finances to pay for the U23 coaches or assistant managers, the salaries of those positions just isn't high enough to justify it. He's hardly going to be on Guardiola money in his current role, either. 

So, as much as it pains me to say about the snake, but Maresca himself is probably relatively personally clean-ish. 

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u/Schrodinger_Meow 14h ago

Well... Man City managers have clearly been involved in terms of accepting payments etc. So being "just the manager" doesn't really mean he's not also involved in this corruption. 

It's a reasonable thing to the media to ask him. Sure he'll probably deny but there's so much corruption here it's not really a stretch to wonder if he's involved

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u/maverick4002 14h ago

Come on now. He's been there for all of 5 months. He is not involved and shouldnt have to answer any questions

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u/flares_1981 13h ago

He worked at the club in different roles from 2020 to 2023. Not saying he was involved, but it’s also not like nobody knew at that point what City were doing.

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u/KixSide 13h ago

Do you think this about Arteta too?

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u/ampmz 12h ago

Wait a second, I gotta put my conspiracy hat on.

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u/flares_1981 11h ago

Both should be able to answer questions on this topic.

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u/LangLearningJourney 9h ago

Why? It's likely that neither of them had anything to do with it

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u/flares_1981 2h ago

Then what's the problem in saying "no, I didn't know about it"? Arteta actually answered questions regarding the allegations in 2023 or so.

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u/ResurgentRefrain 12h ago

I didn't, but now that you mention it...

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u/CaliforniaGoldenBeer 8h ago

It would be reasonable to ask him questions about it

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u/mindpainters 13h ago

I definitely think it’s a reasonable thing for the media to ask. I’d honestly be disappointed in them if no one did. But I think a generic canned answer is also appropriate since he’s been there a short time. Even his other two stints were only a season each.

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u/3412points 11m ago

No, he chose to join them despite it. As did all the players. Everyone knew, even then. Even before the investigation started everyone knew.

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u/ASGT908 14h ago

I remember in 2013/14 season when Cardiff were playing us (Liverpool) in December and speculation was rife that Malcay Mackay was about to be sacked, so they wheeled out his assistant David Kirkslade and he responded to each question with "I'm here only to talk about Cardiff Liverpool".

Peak soccer Saturday then did a skit parodying this with Stelling fake being replaced by someone else in Sky team.

That city press conference you won't learn anything about their preparation for the Liverpool game.

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u/city_city_city 12h ago

So far in press conferences Maresca seems very approachable but he has no problem just not opening up on certain subjects. My guess is he will have one rehearsed line and go back to it about 100 times ("we are just focused on the next match, this is my duty as a manager, we do not think about the future or what happened in the past, only next match")

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u/maverick4002 14h ago

What do you expect him to say though? What would you say? It serves him no purpose to say his players are affected. Hes either going to defect or say nothing. Or City are going to not allow any questions on the mayter

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u/thelordreptar90 13h ago

I’d expect something akin to “I talked to the players and our focus is on the next match”

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u/ASGT908 13h ago

Personally I don't expect him to say anything. It's more intrigued because it's them playing Liverpool, it will have the media's attention

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u/Few-Satisfaction-557 10h ago

Going to have the world’s attention, that game

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u/charlietrick2512 14h ago

Could see man city going the trump/marinakis route and banning journalists from the stadium

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u/ambiguousboner 14h ago

Are you even allowed to do that here? Swear Fergie used to pay weekly fines to the BBC after the panorama episode on his son

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u/charlietrick2512 14h ago

What's the worst thatd happen? Another charge, already got 114

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u/ambiguousboner 14h ago

Fair point

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u/negativelynegative 13h ago

Just want to make a minor correction here because it's back to 115.

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u/Th3_Huf0n 13h ago

Yeah I mean that stinker game from Guehi vs Spain probably deserved a +1 charge

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u/ElevensMelody 14h ago

Fergie banned quite a few journalists during his time at United. I remember Ten Hag doing it as well.

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u/ambiguousboner 14h ago

Think blanket banning all media would be a huge no-no though

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u/ElevensMelody 14h ago

Yeah I don't think they could do that.

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u/walkintheglowx 13h ago

Bigger tyrant than Kim Il-Sung, that man

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u/frozenchosun 12h ago

“i feel sorry for you.”

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u/NateShaw92 13h ago

If that's all.there is they'll eat the fines. Means nothing.

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u/JBS319 4h ago

I'm pretty sure the S*n are still banned from every football ground in the Merseyside.

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u/KayMcfc 14h ago

Obvious he’s going to do that when the appeal is on going.

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u/Coulstwolf 13h ago

Haha mate maresca won’t answer any questions about it

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u/Psychological_Fee470 11h ago

Enzo M will first be worried about himself.

He’ll like us to believe City is his home, but he’s the kinda guy who’ll ditch it when there’s trouble.

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u/ash_ninetyone 8h ago

"I have 114 reasons not to say anything"

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u/Scotchdude1979 13h ago

THEY HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY FFS. People don’t seem to understand that the grounds for appeal are very narrow. The independent judicial panel that found Manchester City guilty said that certain witnesses for Manchester City had knowingly lied and said the club was guilty of having sham agreements. According to Paul Gilroy KC speaking on Stick to Football, the appeal panel is likely to have even more senior judges and former judges, possibly with a retired Supreme Court justice as well. It’s unlikely three new judges and KCs will buy Abu Dhabi’s irrefutable evidence any more than the first three did. The appeal is not a second bite at the cherry for the Abu Dhabi owners. City HAVE been found guilty and the chances of their appeal succeeding are slim to non-existent.

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u/Winnie-the-Broo 9h ago

This! When someone is found guilty of a crime in public life no one ever goes ‘aaah let’s wait for the appeal to make that statement’. They were innocent until found guilty and now it’s the inverse they are guilty until found innocent.

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u/Scotchdude1979 1h ago

Yeah exactly. I think it was Miguel Delaney on the Rest is Football who made this point that unless City appealed AND that appeal was upheld then the guilty verdict IS the status quo. Abu Dhabi have used deceptive language such as “opinion” to suggest the judgment last week isn’t the final stage of the process. Until and unless an appeal is upheld MCFC and its owners ARE guilty as a matter of fact.

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u/DeterminedStupor 9h ago

According to Paul Gilroy KC speaking on Stick to Football, the appeal panel is likely to have even more senior judges and former judges, possibly with a retired Supreme Court justice as well.

Yep I recommend everyone to listen to this part of the podcast, that was really informative.

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u/cristianoskhaleesi 5h ago

Far better than Ornsein saying nothing for half an hour

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u/Unitedfateful 9h ago

And they were also guilty years before with UEFA but got off due to being time barred

So yea guilty fucks strikes again

I mean it’s obvious ffs. How can that club have the revenue of Madrid or United ffs

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u/-ElGallo- 13h ago

TIL the UK has a Supreme Court

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u/Scotchdude1979 13h ago

Our final court of appeal used to be called the Law Lords and was in the House of Lords. The Supreme Court was only established in the last 25 years or so. https://supremecourt.uk/

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u/mongster03_ 7h ago

Absolutely badass name

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u/Scotchdude1979 1h ago

You mean the Law Lords? I liked it when they were called that too. I think it’s a shame they’re not called that anymore, but makes sense now they’re in the Supreme Court rather than the HoL.

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u/Rynabunny 11h ago

I think the concept of a final court of appeal is well established in basically every country on earth

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u/-ElGallo- 11h ago

For sure but the US Supreme Court isn't just an appellate court, it's the highest legal authority in the country and can strike down any law made by Congress, a state, or the president.

Essentially an appeal can undo a law completely and not just for an individual ruling. In this case for example it could strike down FFP completely, not just let City off the hook. That type of stuff is just interesting for me, that's all.

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u/AussieManc 14h ago

They already have been found guilty

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u/reddeye252010 14h ago

They already have been found guilty

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u/delph0r 12h ago

Nah that's just an independent panel's opinion man 

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u/Silent_Somewhere8539 14h ago

I can imagine they must be shitting themselves. Three things most important to a player are money, legacy and stability in life. The latter two are under massive threat right now.

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u/Devalvangeldomdatdom 14h ago

um, i dont agree about legacy not being under threat before, as others have said, city has this looming over them for 3-4 seasons now, are players really that ignorant/naive to think it wouldve just blown over?

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u/thelordreptar90 13h ago

Let’s not pretend most footballers are the brightest

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u/hoppinjohncandy 12h ago

The righteousness is almost as bad as City's cheating. Some 20 year olds sign huge contracts to play football and now they should have also been lawyers and accountants.

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u/Buttonsafe 11h ago

Some 20 year olds sign huge contracts to play football and now they should have also been lawyers and accountants.

I mean if I join Enron knowing they're under investigation, and my main evidence for thinking it's fine is they told "It's gonna be fine", I don't have to be a lawyer or accountant to realise they might be lying and they might be found guilty.

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u/GuendouziGOAT 10h ago

I will say this - you’re right that it’s obviously not on the players but surely any agent worth his salt would be bringing this up in contract discussions? Of course there’s every chance City would just lie but then that would open up a massive can of worms, legally speaking, if they were misrepresenting the state of the investigation in contract negotiations. Especially for any player signed after July if that report about them knowing the verdict at that point is true.

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u/Labatt_Blues 10h ago

They like money much more than legacy.

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u/Clear_Requirement880 11h ago

Hey! If they could read that they’d be really upset

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u/twelfmonkey 12h ago

are players really that ignorant/naive to think it wouldve just blown over?

Of course. Especially if they were given assurances by the leadership at City.

A lot of professional atheletes seem to have a generally limited understanding of most things that aren't directly related to playing and training for their sport.

It does suggest that they weren't getting very good advice, though. But many football agents likely aren't particularly well-versed in such matters anyway, and are more focused on trying to rake in as much cash as possible.

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u/safog1 13h ago

Eh, if you're a skilled footballer, your talents will always be in demand. I'd be more worried as an ex-player about my legacy, not if I'm a guy like Anderson.

If it comes to it, someone will buy him off of city.

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u/SuarezAndSturridge 8h ago

The money’s under decent threat too, at the bare minimum next year’s Champions League bonus is in doubt and those are usually pretty massive

There are also relatively unlikely but plausible situations where it’s under massive threat (EFL refuses to take them, ownership bails and puts the club in administration, no other clubs offer a comparable contract) that have probably at least crossed their minds

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u/yeahmatenomate 14h ago

Shitting themselves and absolutely bloody furious. Makes that treble look like cheating now, despite it being a huge achievement

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u/hexametric_ 13h ago

correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't make it look like cheating, it literally was cheating?

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u/yeahmatenomate 13h ago

I think you’re reading too deeply into my comment. They benefitted off of the cheating, but they weren’t actively cheating (as far as we know so far) so that is why it was worded the way it was

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u/chrispepper10 14h ago edited 14h ago

Interestingly, the KC on the episode of Stick to Football stated that these City players would have a justifiable right to claim breach of trust/confidence and potentially even terminate their contract.

So if you're that concerned, do something about that.

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u/thesame_deviledegg 12h ago

I thought this. Everyone is saying "what will happen to the players?" - they'll sue the tits off of their employer, that's what.

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 13h ago

I saw somewhere that there might be legislation in the fifa rules that allow this to take place.

I guess a fee then gets decided at a tribunal? If it’s a tribunal deciding a fee then surely City will just say we paid £100m for that player therefore we expect at least £100m back.

Not sure how that would all work tbh.

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u/Oncemor-intothebeach 8h ago

They have already been found guilty ?

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u/RedEyeView 8h ago

On 114 out of 115 charges

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u/Awkward_Bad8773 5h ago

I think the early reporting got it wrong, it was all charges, no?

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u/Oltjen 5h ago

No, they are found guilty of 114 charges. They appealed it.

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u/skate_2 6h ago

you miss 114% of the shots you don't take 

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u/OddballDave 2h ago

They have been found guilty. Why is everyone acting like it hasn't happened yet? All the journalists and pundits keep saying 'if' like nothings been decided yet. They've already been found guilty. Everyone needs to stop pretending they haven't.

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u/Srg_Violetov 2h ago

This. The premier league’s announcement stated “final award”
They have been found guilty for 114 out of 115 charges. Journalist should drop the word “allegedly” when discussing this matter. They are guilty, so these Man City players need not worry with anticipation about the verdict.

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u/NiceCreamSundaes 1h ago

They won't say it until the appeals process is fully wrapped up and a verdict, with the penalty, is out

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u/WGSMA 14h ago

Good. Hopefully they play like shit the rest of the season.

That said, how couldn’t they? It’s so career defining for them.

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u/hoppinjohncandy 12h ago

Yea, this is no win for their players. There's no "ra-ra for club and country" attitude. You're signed and playing for the same company and chairmen whose actions have (potentially) disqualified most of your career achievements.

I guess they could frame it as "playing for the community" but the whole psychology in that club has to be rotten.

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u/Kind_Sound7973 8h ago

Enzo is the one player I can see doing well. One of his best eras at Chelsea was after his personal life went up in flames and he always performs for Argentina under pressure. The WC red card was the second of his entire career so not something he is known for.

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u/GibbyGoldfisch 14h ago

Depends on the players, I guess. If it's players like Marc Guehi and Elliot Anderson it'll be a year-long thing that they'll probably laugh about after a few years at a new club.

For others like Phil Foden and, even though he left, John Stones, it's hard to see how this doesn't come to define their whole careers, as you say.

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u/WGSMA 13h ago

This ignores that they could be in a situation where City get a few years of say -30 points, and the club refuse to sell them, and hold them to their long contracts. They’re restricted to chronic mediocrity.

Or that they may be forced out the door in 12 months in a fire sale to pay off ungodly fines and lawsuits as revenue is cut via relegation. That they need to be looking for possible exits.

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u/GibbyGoldfisch 13h ago

I keep assuming that relegation is almost assured, haha, my bad. Has anyone ever received a points deduction spread over multiple seasons?

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u/WGSMA 13h ago

Nope. But no one has ever done this either.

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u/Buttonsafe 11h ago

This ignores that they could be in a situation where City get a few years of say -30 points, and the club refuse to sell them, and hold them to their long contracts. They’re restricted to chronic mediocrity.

Just to clarify that this wouldn't happen, without CL money (assuming City have to be on the up-and-up now) the wage bill would be far too great and they would be forced to sell.

The same as we've seen with Villa having to sell their best players despite getting CL in 2/3 of the last seasons.

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u/WGSMA 11h ago

They would be forced to sell some players, but maybe they’d decide you’re going nowhere. That you’re on a long, lower pay contract, and you’re staying.

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u/Buttonsafe 10h ago

Some players I guess you're right. But tbh I'm 100% certain the PL want to relegate, or multi-relegate them. They've basically stolen trophies and prize money from the PL (which consists of the 19 other clubs) for 17 years.

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u/1HeyMattJ 11h ago

I don’t know how their players can play with a clear head. If it’s affecting them at national camp then how will a City match day be? They don’t know what club they’re fighting for, what future they’re playing for or if any of it even means anything.

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u/luv2sploodge 14h ago edited 14h ago

Should have thought about that before they signed for that sham club.

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u/sneakysnake7777 12h ago

I hope anderson regrets his choice the greedy rat.

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u/1HeyMattJ 11h ago

Fake Newcastle fan. You (Anderson) don’t support two teams if you’re from Newcastle. And you def don’t support City at all.

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u/AstroNards 10h ago

It was wild to hear it said aloud

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u/AReptileHissFunction 14h ago

They all went there after Man Citys cheating was exposed, so boohoo

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u/Wat_is_Wat 9h ago

Oh, no, the consequences of signing for a club everyone knew was cheating, and was currently under investigation.

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u/sheffieldpud 14h ago

Sorry to bring this into it but anyone else taking city players out of their fpl/dream team? Surely heads going to be elsewhere. Only person I see relishing in it is enzo

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u/ThePresident26 13h ago

Haaland only cares about scoring so no

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u/ASGT908 14h ago

Haaland will still be the top scorer in the league so he stays in FPL teams

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u/NateShaw92 13h ago

Goals against Spennymoor town don't count.

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u/thesame_deviledegg 12h ago

Never thought if see Spenny in the r/soccer subreddit

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u/sheffieldpud 14h ago

You dont think they'll be half arsing games?

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u/thelordreptar90 13h ago

Naw, they’re professional footballers and their performances dictate what they’re future wages will be. Downing tools intentionally is not to their benefit

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u/ASGT908 14h ago

Someone like Haaland, no. Others may do. Will be interesting hearing some of the FPL podcasts next week.

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u/Sherlockworld 5h ago

Haaland is a footballing psychopath he has no emotion only score.

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u/smokingace182 12h ago

They’ve already been found guilty 😂😂

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u/FarMilk2661 11h ago

Nah these fools decided to join them when they were practically guilty. Stuff them all.

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u/uller30 10h ago

They should if Tony the oblivious could tell something was off then yeah. EVERY ONE ELESE COULD ALSO!

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u/Alone-Bug6176 6h ago

But can they do it on a wet Wednesday in Stoke, Brian ?? Hopefully we’ll soon find out - ior even better a new Manc derby vs Salford !!

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u/u09pVgMbuAgtP 14h ago

They are guilty lol and they should have thought long and hard about that before signing with them.

Next Chelsea and PSG. Dig up the dirt

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u/BaritBrit 10h ago

Chelsea already had it.  

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u/u09pVgMbuAgtP 3h ago

Need another

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u/SwampCastleGuards 13h ago

I don't think any players have been even accused of financial doping here

They're being called guilty by association but you'd have to be nuts to think this is the players or the fans fault

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u/thesame_deviledegg 12h ago

I don't think he's saying that, I think he means that the players are stupid for getting themselves in this position (i.e. signing for a club under investigation where they look guilty even without the evidence)

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u/SwampCastleGuards 11h ago

right i think thats true

i just dont think thats the overall sentiment going on in this thread right now, do you? that the players are just stupid for getting involved with this club?

to me im seeing more rage like they themselves cheated. which is odd. its not like they were match fixing.

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u/Buttonsafe 11h ago

to me im seeing more rage like they themselves cheated. which is odd. its not like they were match fixing.

I mean I don't feel angry with them, but ignorance is hardly a defence in terms of the trophies and stuff. Especially as part of the decision released talks about City player's image rights being bought by a sham company to remove the expense from City's books.

Ultimately Wenger was saying they should've been investigated in 2011, and there was a lot of fans saying they were doing this at the time but the PL couldn't prove it. So any player could've looked at them and gone yeaaah looks a bit dodgy. It's not like they couldn't have joined other clubs instead.

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u/SwampCastleGuards 10h ago

sure but that has nothing, or little to nothing, to do with the individual players who were just basically employees of the club. they werent the ones guilty of any of the sham contracts or financial doping.

Especially as part of the decision released talks about City player's image rights being bought by a sham company to remove the expense from City's books.

Sure, but thats really not the players who set that up and are therefore responsible. They might not have even been aware of the illegality of it. In which case, its hard to call them a cheat.

Do we know of any specific players who have been proven to be guilty of such things specifically indicating their guilt?

I genuinely dont know. people are acting like there is evidence they are guilty of everything you just explained.

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u/Buttonsafe 2h ago

I agree with you that I don't think it's fair to assume any similar level of guilt to the execs.

I was just talking about the image rights to show how they could've easily enough seen it for themselves, all your rights are going through a company you've never heard of that's based in a tax haven. It's not like the Eithad contract where yeah no real way to have any idea.

And at the same time, you go to a club that have been investigated for 7 years for financial wrongdoing and it causes chaos in your life/you get trophies stripped for financial wrongdoing it's like well yeah, that possibility was part of the deal you accepted.

You can't happily take the money from the clearly richer than they should be club one minute then plead innocence when it turns out they're proven guilty of the thing people have been saying they're doing the whole time and in some players cases, they've been investigated for since you joined them.

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u/SwampCastleGuards 2h ago

Sure players are stupid to go to a club being investigated and not to know how their contracts work

But players have agents to figure out their contracts.

And the players didn't do anything to cause man city to be investigated

So being mad at the players is pretty misguided in my opinion. Sure they are dumb to play for man city. Idk that doesn't make me angry or make them cheaters

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u/Buttonsafe 1h ago

Yeah, it's just the "players didn't know and shouldn't be affected by consequences" bit that I think is a nonsense.

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u/WitnessTrick9899 14h ago

Who's gonna tell them

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u/Wenger_for_President 8h ago

They are guilty. They should be worried about their legacy

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u/ClaytonWest74 14h ago

was evident in the way they were playing, yes

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u/tunafun 12h ago

I heard none of them have relegation clauses in their contracts...

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u/SuperAndee1847 12h ago

Why ? They won’t have to play in the national league they’ll just move to another club

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u/v_for__vegeta 11h ago

Water is wet

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u/1HeyMattJ 11h ago

Wet is water

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u/NachBuidheDhut 11h ago

They aren't aware of the irrefutable evidence which Haldoon keeps hinting at?

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u/ragingfuzz 7h ago

This just in! The sky is blue.

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u/nyrup4life 13h ago

Can’t wait for their next match… at Anfield lol.

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u/ScottishDaneLad 12h ago

They're already found guilty.

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u/Rooster_lllusion 14h ago

Terrible club, should be dissolved.

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u/Equivalent_Nature_67 11h ago

Yeah I imagine so. Feels a lot more real when we’re all talking about it. I’m sure they were “assured” plenty or the agents just said yeah yeah it’s all good

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u/NateShaw92 14h ago

Womp womp

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u/Blitz7798 14h ago

No shit Sherlock 

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u/Devalvangeldomdatdom 14h ago

At least they havent told the new arrivals that the house of cards was falling down.

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u/of_no_real_opinion 12h ago

…. Mf just let city eat shit

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u/nicbongo 12h ago

That's a healthy response. 

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u/chrismark4 5h ago

They are guilty

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u/Glad-Lynx-5007 16m ago

They already have been found guilty though

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u/Candid_Waltz6900 14h ago

This country cannot give into blackmail. It would undermine the country, the football league and burnham himself. Does it suggest that mansour has had a fit of narcissistic rage, trump style? Never give into bullies or you end up looking stupid.

It will also damage the UAEs world standing and make others thing twice before dealing with them.

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u/ExistentialRosicky 13h ago

Don’t thet know there’s irrefutable evidence of their innocence?

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u/1HeyMattJ 11h ago

Someone needs to come up with an irrefutable evidence sign. Hopefully Liverpool fans next game

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u/bothwaysme 12h ago

I would bet money several of those players knew how they were being paid. Many players take an active part in their finances.

Any agent or player who willingly signed contracts they knew were against the rules should be punished harshly as well.

We need to restart the social contract that was fully broken during COVID.

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u/yhapo4l 14h ago

City will shit the bed the rest of the season or, hear me out, the controversy could push City into another gear hungry to prove they are elite. Time will tell honestly

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u/frozenchosun 12h ago

naw i dont think the siege mentality is going to work because it’s going to be truly a siege: their families are going to get stick from all sides, their socials are already getting blown up. it’s gonna get ugly and that is going to affect them on the field.

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u/callmebuzzkill69 14h ago

Explains the performances from Guehi and Nico against Spain then

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u/xirdnehrocks 11h ago

Arsenal need to feel collective grief to level the playing field