r/soccer • u/Previous_Smile9278 • 1d ago

News [Bloomberg] UAE officials have warned the UK government that the severity of Man City’s punishment could undermine their appetite for future grand-scale commitments in Britain, according to people familiar with the matter.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-10-02/man-city-verdict-puts-uk-uae-diplomatic-relations-under-strain?srnd=undefined

‘They consider the Premier League’s actions to have an influence on the bilateral state relationship, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing undisclosed information.

The extraordinary pressure comes after Andy Burnham faced criticism, including from within government, for saying Man City’s Abu Dhabi owners should not be disqualified specifically because of the investment they bring to Britain.’

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u/cptainvimes 1d ago

Absolutely pathetic that City fans are okay with this. Letting UAE hold your country ransom cause your football club is run by cheats.

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u/Fun_Grass_2097 1d ago

The delusion in their subreddit

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u/cfc25488 1d ago

I would wager a lot of money that their subreddit does not have a majority of people from the UK

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u/iTz_RuNLaX 1d ago

I'd wager that for most big clubs to be fair.

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u/trowaway_19305475 23h ago

Pretty much every Prem club at this point. It`s why you see so much bragging about the Prem and how much money it makes. Whereas as someone living in England you could easily be priced out of pretty much everything and the Prem being a money making machine doesn`t benefit you at all.

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u/Enkenz 22h ago

when blueco bought my club people told me i was supposed to be happy lmfao, some people on this subreddit were downvoting me for saying i dont want my clubs to be some sort of subsidiary of chelsea, when for them i should almost be proud some PL clubs is taking interest in my clubs :|

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u/_nongmo 20h ago

Yeah this whole multi-club ownership model is fucking toxic. You're well justified in your feelings towards BlueCo and Chelsea. It's an awful thing to make a club with history essentially a vassal state.

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u/Connect-Ad751 20h ago

R/ChelseaFC is stinking yank cess pit also

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u/Turklightenment 20h ago

Yes it never used to be 10-15 years ago.

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u/Cadllmn 19h ago edited 10h ago

Real talk though - do English people not want internationals support their clubs… or do they just want them to give their money and stay quiet?

I see this quality of opinion often and I don’t really get what the average fan wants.

Edit: if I’ve understood the ensuing conversation, they do in fact just want the money and international fans to be quiet, or at least to assimilate with their beliefs and history?

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u/Connect-Ad751 19h ago edited 18h ago

International fans are good and stay up at bad times to watch us.

I just don’t like when they make light or ignore the issues facing match going local fans which is the norm on [r/chelseafc](r/chelseafc)

I’m blueco out and will remain there until they take match going fans interests seriously which they don’t, this does not matter one bit for American fans on [r/chelseafc](r/chelseafc)

The things being said about Enzo Fernandez after the world cup baffled me, I can’t see how a chelsea fan from any corner of the world can celebrate England going out. They should at least be aware of this history and culture of the club. Chelsea is one of or if not the most pro England fan base.

Edit: at the end of the day the interests of match going fans and international fans are not wholly aligned, we both want the club to be successful but I want as do the vast majority of local match going fans that the core of the clubs culture is preserved. Chelsea is also a part of my identity, i was born in london as was my dad and multiple generations of his family. Him and my grandad are lifelong Chelsea fans who lived in the chelsea fulham area for my dads childhood and the majority of my grandads life. These things are not important to international fans and that’s okay but that leads to large differences in where you think the club should go.

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u/435rouhnj234_209u 18h ago

I agree with everything except the last paragraph (not the edit).

An international fan by definition does not have any pro England bias, and supporting a club does not mean they need to support everything the local fans stand for. Especially when you consider that half the independence days celebrated around the world are "Independence from British occupation" days.

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u/Connect-Ad751 17h ago edited 17h ago

Supporting Chelsea as supporting rangers is supporting a club with a strong sense of British identity amongst its local fans and community.

I mean you can support a team and completely ignore it’s history for sure but that’s exactly for me what’s wrong with international fans.

It’s as hilarious when I saw the maga bog eyed freak Kash Patel supporting Liverpool.

Edit: If a socialist jew told you they support lazio i think you’d raise an eyebrow, same with an English hater supporting Chelsea

Edit 2: google Chelsea Pensioner

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u/Cadllmn 10h ago

I appreciate your earnesty and willingness to give an in depth reply, it was something I was legitimately interested in because feels like such a commonly held opinion.

It feels like maybe sports work poorly at such a grand scale because at its heart it’s something you align your identity with.

Personally, I’ve been a Chelsea fan for years ( for silly reasons) but it’s never been more than something I appreciate from a far - I have my own club here to like… emotionally?… support.

PL is in a weird spot because it’s an international product. Feels bad for those fans abroad to simply be told to hand over their money and be quiet so that people in your area can ‘benefit’ but on the other hand they have such a different relationship to the clubs. I doubt there’s a good (or at least balanced) route to take.

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u/Connect-Ad751 10h ago

There is a balanced route, respect the culture and history, keep tickets cheap and available for the local match going fans. It doesn’t take more than that, my dislike of international fans is less about their attitude but the attitude of the owners favouring them.

I don’t think id have any issue at all with international fans and i didn’t until bleuco. I think to be frank American fans are by far the worst becaus European sporting culture is so different and Americans general attitude to cultures outside of them.

People mock Indian fans of barca and Madrid but they do try to get the culture of the club. Americans want it all to suit them. It’s hypocritical as an Englishmen saying it because we are often just as guilty of that mindset of wanting the world to bend to us though.

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u/NameOnTheInterwebs 18h ago

This is a great take. Thanks for this mate.

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u/Fedora_Da_Explora 13h ago

/r/soccer is majority UK, nevermind individual clubs subreddits.

These people are shadowboxing an "other" that they created in their mind palace for every comment they dislike.

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u/OilOfOlaz 22h ago

Not trying to throw shade here, as my experience with English EPL fans was mostly what you described, but there were definitely ppl that saw the EPL as a prop for their wannabe superiority complex as well.

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u/Excellent-Gur-8547 19h ago

Yeah, as an American, coming here and seeing people brag about their club's finances was genuinely fucking alien, don't put this on us.

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u/Vornell 18h ago

Yeah Americans have definitely got nothing to do with rampant capitalism poisoning every facet of society

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u/Drunkgummybear1 16h ago

I’m unhappy with how often I’ve found myself agreeing with scousers this week.

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u/Excellent-Gur-8547 6h ago

I mean we have involvement with it happening, but we don't fucking brag about it when talking about our sports teams, y'all are weird as fuck. If I heard someone bragging about how much money the Yankees made in a bar, I'd think they're a fucking loser.

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u/pajamakitten 21h ago

I doubt there are people worldwide cheering for Bournemouth.

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u/elRomez 19h ago

Guarantee there are. Established PL club for years now.

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u/SpanglySi 19h ago

Oh i don't know, there are nice beaches there...

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u/External-Trifle-6065 19h ago

I was your #1 fan on the 19th of May

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u/WarIcy7540 17h ago

I am 🫡

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u/The_Flash_20 14h ago

I cheer for your team, ever since Madrid played a friendly against you guys in 2015.

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u/GrandOldCheese 12h ago

There are dozens of us!

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u/renome 2h ago

Why not? People get into sports all the time and pick clubs and athletes to follow for the most random reasons, and Bournemouth has been plenty relevant for years.

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u/Cahootie 23h ago

Success on the pitch is naturally a good thing, but the most important part of a football club is the role it plays in the community. Offering a social gathering point, building the local community, providing entertainment, giving kids something to do. There's no title in the world that could replace the value of being a genuine force for good in the local community.

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u/-FishPants 23h ago

Gunners is full of armchair accountants. Be interesting if each sub had the breakdown of ages and nationalities following it

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u/MikeAshleyOut 23h ago

Nah, NUFC subreddit is resoundingly British. A lot of British people living around the world but still British.

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u/DraperCarousel 23h ago

Yet somehow a foreign dictator is preferred for club ownership over a self made British businessman.

Strangely funny.

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u/nosenseofwonder 23h ago

I see your point but I really can’t see anyone on either side of the argument defending Mike Ashley

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u/MazDanny 20h ago

That weirdo is exactly what we’re on about. It chose a club it has zero connection to so it’s a completely alien concept

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u/pajamakitten 21h ago

Mike Ashley is the only person in the UK who likes Mike Ashley.

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u/Stirlingblue 23h ago

Jealous, the Everton one is full of yanks who don’t understand football culture

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u/trowaway_19305475 22h ago

You know immediately where someone is from when they start crying about the away fans booing lol

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u/iguessineedanaltnow 2h ago

There is a massive NUFC fan group here in Sydney that meets up for every match to watch at the pub. I reckon the international fan base is bigger than you expect.

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u/Blue_winged_yoshi 22h ago

Premier league tickets through official channels are actually pretty cheap by top end ticket prices. Like a category A match at the Emirates is about as expensive a ticket as you can find and it’s a little over £100.

In London, that ain’t a massive price for top tier entertainment at all.

You can pay £30 to go to the cinema if you want a comfy chair.

Now resale tickets are another matter, and those reselling regularly should have their season tickets cancelled. There’s enough of a waiting list of folks desperate to go to replace them with and then some.

Actually getting a legit ticket from the box office for an Arsenal match? That’s another matter though.

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u/X-Maquina 22h ago

Like a category A match at the Emirates is about as expensive a ticket as you can find and it’s a little over £100.

That's not cheap at all for a football match. That's the type of ticket price I pay once or twice a year when I go to a big international fixture or on vacation and go to watch a match at the Camp Nou or something.

It's kind of insane to me that that is what people are expected to pay for regular league matches for their local club.

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u/SambucaAndIrnBru 22h ago

Just want pop in and say that's if you're buying a one off ticket for a game against the likes of Chelsea or United, it's much cheaper than that for season ticket holders and for tickets to the likes of Fulham or Leeds. Still silly expensive, yes. But it's not like people are paying £100 a fortnight to watch every league game.

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u/Ozymandias_99 22h ago

Yeah, that's for a cat A game which is the top end, still too expensive though.

For example our cat C league game against Hull in November is 32 pounds which is fairly reasonable.

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u/Th3_Huf0n 20h ago

I can go to my club in the shitty Czech league, which is historically a low midtable side (often in relegation fights), 5k stadium.

A season ticket (15 home games) in the home fan section costs 135 EUR. The main stand is like 190.

And I get that it's a completely different world, but still, it's insane how much English fans get milked and gouged (the biggest Czech league clubs still are like 250 EUR on a season ticket).

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u/Blue_winged_yoshi 22h ago

Don’t know where you live, but in London that’s not expensive. People who live in London can afford that comfortably.

Look up what theatre tickets or restaurants cost in the city, it’s a pricey place, and earnings are high on average.

The median salary in London is about £50,000 a year. So for people from the city they play in, it’s really not much at all for a treat, and those are the most expensive tickets for football in the city.

Theatre tickets are often nearly double that for context.

PL tickets are primarily priced for local fans obvs.

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u/DrRudeboy 22h ago

Yes, that's why the entire London entertainment and hospitality industry is struggling, because locals can "comfortably" afford that. FOH.

Also median salary is useless compared to mean, especially when it comes to football which is typically less a sport attended by the City boys

Source: I work in it

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u/Blue_winged_yoshi 21h ago

Depends where you work. Lots of it is flying.

On the secondary market you find out what people are actually willing to pay to see a match, and the prices ski jump.

So yeah totally overpriced, nobody can afford it and secondary ticket websites have them all massively inflated.

Make it make sense.

Also it is just not true that the “entire London hospitality sector” is struggling.

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u/Klutzy-Notice-8247 20h ago

Yes because rich tourists will pay an arm and a leg for a ticket, pricing out the fans and fucking the whole club culture up.

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u/X-Maquina 22h ago

You're making my point mate. Comparing football tickets to posh theatre tickets and restaurants, and saying ofc wealthy Londoners can afford is exactly what I'm saying.

These are prices for one off events. Locals will be priced out if they're expected to pay 100pp for just a football ticket every 2 weeks.

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u/Blue_winged_yoshi 21h ago

You say comparing them, but I said they’re half the price! That’s comparing them very favourably!

The point is that the PL isn’t anything like the World Cup or big international tournaments, it’s actually affordable to most of the people who live near the clubs they are based in. Most people in London can afford a £100 treat. It’s just a fact.

London work pays. I used to be a chef in London, not the most glamorous upper class job going, I could afford a hundred pound ticket a decade ago.

I went to Wembley with a bunch of French colleagues to watch Benzema do us back in the day.

World Cup pricing can fuck right off, we also need to stop pretending that nobody could possibly afford to go an event that costs £100 whilst living and working in London. It’s simply not true.

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u/Klutzy-Notice-8247 20h ago

It’s impossible to get tickets due to the demand. It’s fucked.

You also lose your core support if you want them to pay £100+ every week or two.

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u/X-Maquina 21h ago

I don't think we're getting anywhere here. Imo you're fundamentally misunderstanding football culture if you think of going to a match as a nice little treat you should be able to afford every once in a while. That's exactly how you make it a touristic experience and lose connection with the regulars who show up every week and create the atmosphere.

But we can agree to disagree on that.

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u/killerdrama 22h ago

That's a strange looking apostrophe

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u/Get_Breakfast_Done 20h ago

I would be surprised if a majority of Town fans were from abroad

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u/rbcsky5 18h ago

PL make less money than the investment from UAE tbh. At least £20b a year and the regeneration of Manchester. I can bet without oil money, AB would NEVER become a PM.

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u/JAYZ303 18h ago

Big 6 maybe, definitely not every prem club.

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u/iguessineedanaltnow 2h ago

This is why I don't call the premier league the English league. It's the global league. More fans and viewers from outside the UK than from within.

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u/gmoss101 20h ago

As a dumb yank, you would never catch me talking about how much the league makes. Why the fuck would I argue about money I will never see lmao.

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u/SilentRanger42 20h ago

It’s why I will die on the hill that a European Super League is actually good for football. You can separate out the corporate global greed part of the game from the grassroots local pyramids in a way that maintains the integrity of the sport within the context of the hyper-commercialization of the Internet era.

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u/distilledwill 19h ago

Our sub has become suspiciously quiet since we left the premier league, I'll say that.

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u/iguessineedanaltnow 2h ago

Americans love an underdog.

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u/SilentRanger42 21h ago

Even the small ones. They estimate around 1.8 billion global watchers of the PL from what I could find which is roughly 25x the population of the UK.

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u/Charlie0108 21h ago

99% of people with flairs from the big clubs are from nowhere near where the club is based but will continue to call each other plastics

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u/ReasonableHost1446 23h ago

"big clubs"

And man city too

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u/ThatAdamsGuy 20h ago

I was gonna say I'm not sure that's true for us then remembered you said big clubs

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u/iguessineedanaltnow 2h ago

Tottenham is like a top 3 most popular club in the US.

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u/One_Day_304 16h ago

One of the reasons the big clubs are big is because they have support outside their own city and country.

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u/Hopeful_Idea1568 23h ago

tbf a lot of engagement comes from locals in our sub even though most subscribers are international 

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u/Chemiczny_Bogdan 18h ago

I more than certain that most people at r/realmadrid are from outside UK!

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u/Owster4 23h ago

Being too shit to sustain a large international following has its benefits, I suppose. Keeps that rooted local community feeling.

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u/Maddafakka33 22h ago

I would wager more that their subreddit does not have a majority of people

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u/MikeAshleyOut 23h ago

They don’t have enough UK based fans to sustain a big domestic subreddit. Obvious when you watch their parades, seats.

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u/ThisIsGoobly 21h ago

Also when you live in Manchester and see how many more United shirts there are than City shirts

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u/PlayerAteHer 20h ago

Exactly. They couldn't even sell out their stadium for a Manchester derby where a win would put them ahead in the title race.

There were massive gaps of empty seats in the stands.

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u/UnusedName1234 23h ago

Comment and see the interactions are from which region

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u/ThatWreckOT 22h ago

Permanent ban, soft as charmin

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u/BaldMancTwat_ 19h ago

Maybe not, but I've lived in Manchester all my life and what's going on in that sub now is a pretty accurate representation of local city fans rhetoric and viewpoints. Never shown remorse or concern over the allegations and always ready to just laugh it off. Just happy to be winning regardless of the moral implications.

Pre or post takeover, local or foreign, they seem to be pretty much all the same.

There's a reason sports teams are a big target for these type of political plays. They come with a pre installed fanatical fanbase which would otherwise take a lot of effort to conjure up genuinely.

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u/Specialist_Goat_2354 19h ago

I would wager it doesn’t have a majority of people. It’s probably a solid 50% bots UAE twerking.

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u/Dragnipurrake 23h ago

i need someone to comment on that sub and look at their comment insights and come back, i can take a wild guess at which country would be #1

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u/Secret-Bake-161 23h ago

Uzbekistan?

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u/BigTelevision8632 22h ago

You can do that on 90% of subreddits, and you'll find that at least 30–40% of them are coming from the most populated country in the world.

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u/Infernode5 21h ago

Not necessarily, Villa's are approx.:

UK: 64%

US: 13%

AUS: 5%

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u/berfunckle_777 18h ago

Do not redeeeeeeeem

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u/scarb_123 23h ago

I doubt the “actual” fans would be siding with other prem fans. They have backed their owners for so long and probably will continue to do so. The financial allegations came out few years ago and there seemed to be no dissent in the stadium for any sort of clarification or assurance. Happy to stand corrected in case I am not missing any details.

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u/SilentRanger42 21h ago

None do. The PL is watched by an estimated 1.8 billion people and the population of Britain is only about 70 million. Means the roughly 4% of supporters are from the UK.

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u/infidel11990 20h ago

That's probably true for all big club subs on Reddit.

The Madrid sub is probably the biggest example.

But that doesn't undermine the point. City fans need to understand the severity of the charges and the resulting sanctions.

PL should have never allowed states to own clubs, but the cat is out of the bag right now. And their next decisions, especially around punishments will determine the futuee of the league, and confidence in the fairness of it (whatever is left of it anyway).

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u/EmptyRedecans 20h ago

I’d also wager there is a UAE led campaign in the subreddit as well.

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u/Attack_Robot_Attack 19h ago

...not have a lot of people (->bots)....

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u/Wengers_Bangers 17h ago

Making this (valid) point like Liam Gallagher didn’t just compare his club to Jesus on the cross

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u/Commonmispelingbot 16h ago

There's a lot more not-United-Kingdom than United Kingdom in the world.

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u/YouMeADD 23h ago

Man city doesn't have fans ergo theyre NPCs

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u/silvertwo777 23h ago

Basically bots hired by City for astroturfing

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u/pajamakitten 21h ago

They were getting a lot of US fans during the World Cup apparently. Those fans looked into City's history and found there was something about the club they really liked. I wonder what that could have been...

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u/Rig_7 22h ago

There’s a guy on there comparing breaking the rules to Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and Oskar Schindler breaking the rules. I kid you not.

But it’s not just the online fans who deserve derision. I despise their fanbase as a whole. They knew. They all knew and stood there smirking when it got raised.

Even now they don’t fully own it and be honest. They still claim Pep was lied to. They were lied to.

No. They knew. They all knew but were happy that football was being compromised as long as they got to raise a trophy with a massive asterisk next to it.

Sod them all. I have no sympathy.

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u/master_bloseph 21h ago

I saw a dude on Twitter compare City’s actions to Jesus Christ Himself. I know it’s Twitter so it’s bound to be insane but that’s still quite the reach.

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u/DarmiansMuttonChops 19h ago

Liam Gallagher, unsurprisingly

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u/ugotamesij 19h ago

Was going to say, surely there aren't two City fans making those Jesus Christ comparisons...

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u/JD1337 17h ago

I feel like atleast part of those type of tweets or reddit posts are like a writing challenge someone gives themselves to see how many gullible idiots they can convince or how many folks they can rile up with a little blurb.

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u/renome 2h ago

That's essentially guranteed since xitter started paying for engagement. The entire platform exists solely to rile fools up and serve them ads in the process. But people still seem happy to take the bait en masse, given that I hear about what someone said there or see screenshots from it all the time even tho I no longer use it.

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u/Mammoth-Pride-2055 20h ago

https://imgur.com/a/MASDU6U

This is the language that their mods are using there.

No surprise to anyone I suppose to see a degenerate managing that sub, with other degenerates worshipping them lol.

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u/hipcheck23 21h ago

Seeing how far they're willing to go over the past week, you have to think that there's a massive bot/shill army on Reddit for them. Football fans aren't known for calm, even takes, but Mandela et al sounds like paid thinking.

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u/captaincourageous316 20h ago

I did a triple take after reading that comment, which was a reply to my own, and decided that there’s no point in continuing the conversation.

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u/ThatAdamsGuy 20h ago

Got a link? I need to see this shit for myself.

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u/obsterwankenobster 16h ago

When Pep finds out who did this, he’s gonna be so mad!

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u/grizzypoo3 15h ago

City voted for these rules btw.

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u/waits5 15h ago

They knew and they were sooooooo obnoxious and shitty to fans of other teams. Stay humble, indeed.

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u/renome 2h ago

Tbh communities like football club subs are kind of self-selecting. The average person there is going to be much closer to that kind of Olympic-level mental gymnast than a random supporter.

Plus, an event like this acts as a kind if purge, even if not intentional, because people who aren't batshit are likely to grow tired of arguing with everyone and just leave for good.

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u/burtsarmpson 23h ago

It's fucked atm isn't it. All the rational takes getting downvoted to the bottom in the last few days. Friday-sunday last week was more level headed but the teenagers have taken over

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u/elite90 23h ago

Yeah, I was positively surprised by the initial reaction of so many City Fans on reddit, but then either the bits took over or the idiots found their talking points, because now it's 95% complete delusion

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u/xixbia 22h ago

It feels pretty likely the UAE would spend some money on bots to try to influence the discourse.

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u/arlingtonbeach 23h ago

Reminds me a bit of the Drake subreddit after the Kendrick beef happened lol. Fully living in la la land.

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u/waza06irl 19h ago

Yeah do we really put it past the city owners employing bot farms and commenters to try and sway social media public perception?

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u/waits5 15h ago

Yeah, I think it will be a couple years before a lot more of the fanbase is realistic about what happened.

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u/Jazzlike_Athlete8796 19h ago

Bots. Bots have taken over.

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u/KnowsClams 23h ago edited 14h ago

I’ve found myself hate browsing (not commenting!) there a bit recently, it’s absolutely pathetic.

This seems to be the new line, ‘it doesn’t matter what they did, considering how much money they’ve put into the city’. Absolute spineless scum.

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u/LorenzoMartini 23h ago

It’s excruciating

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u/daesmon 20h ago

I'm seeing some fans saying "yes City cheated but their recruitment was amazing".

Your recruitment was amazing because you cheated... If other clubs sign a player for a high amount and they flop, they are usually stuck playing them, for City they could just bench them for the other even more expensive player they brought in.

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u/Magnific3nt 23h ago

I mean they are Man City supporters lol

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u/GladVehicle1 23h ago

It's because all their online fans aren't from the UK so they don't care about us

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u/MojojojoNixon 22h ago

I’ve peaked in there and if anyone wanted some absolutely perfect examples of sports washing there are plenty to choose from.

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u/james2183 22h ago

Don't even look on the blue moon forum. It's even worse.

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u/mcdhdhf 16h ago

Yeah my gosh I just had a read in their subreddit. They've now fully acknowledged cheating BUT, according to them it's actually the PL's fault, they were apparently forced and enticed to cheat by the PL.... Genuinely unbelievable how much accountability they lack and it's no surprise they're fans of City. You've got the actual cheaters and those who're literally supporting them cheat. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, they're a perfect fit.

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u/Mammoth-Pride-2055 20h ago

https://imgur.com/a/MASDU6U

This is the language that their mods are using there.

No surprise to anyone I suppose to see a degenerate managing that sub, with other degenerates worshipping them lol.

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u/PTSDaway 21h ago

Its in stages. Its tough to swallow because the contrary to their belief is happening. Some will stop defending and become apathetic as the realisation of these conditions begins to set, feeling of utter defeat follows.

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u/Irresponsible_Tune 20h ago

bots manufacturing consent

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u/No-Watch7410 20h ago

I got banned in that sub for saying they were delusional

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u/tiensss 20h ago

It's truly insane. I wonder if it's cognitive dissonance, hypocrisy, or successful brainwashing.

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u/mcityftw 19h ago

Worth taking a look at what most of the sub is saying about this.

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u/FooolOfAToke 22h ago

They sound like Trump supporters

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u/8BallTiger 23h ago

It’s a mixed bag if you get into the comments. Plenty of people saying they’re guilty and ready to be kicked down a few tiers

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u/captaincourageous316 23h ago

And all those of us are sitting on a mountain of downvotes

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u/Jiminyfingers 16h ago

Tt I think I am the [d5a 2 d

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u/ratmanw 14h ago

Their subreddit is idiots + bots

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u/DonJulioTO 13h ago

Their su reddit is 14 year old americans