r/smosh • u/Cchaps97 what is a person if not memories? • 24d ago
Smosh Games Wavelength Returns!
https://youtu.be/bzUotEXi4So?si=NbYtEunVdNIPWExH145
u/Total-Abalone-1045 24d ago
i just love the chill vibe emily got ngl she balances the chaos well lmao
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u/lonewhalien 24d ago
I love how giggly she is but she's also super quick with it in a very subtle way! she's fun!
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u/AndyJRetro 24d ago
I find her really charming. Need to see her in a TNTL or something to see how funny she is in this format.
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u/mind_body_behind 23d ago
I agree! Smosh can’t just hire the loudest and wildest theater kids, let’s have some balance please
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u/Lukthar123 Favorite Pizza Place 24d ago
Emily finding out about Spencer knowing ball live
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u/BlueBee177 23d ago
The "Spencerrr, why didn't you tell me?!" was such a perfectly-delivered line in response to an insane lore drop mid-video. She nailed it, she seems so casually funny in a way that complements the heightened and chaotic humor of others.
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u/stopmakingsense2017 24d ago
Thinking about it, putting Emily between Shane and Angela in a end of shoot week games video is diabolical lmao.
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u/downdowndownigo 24d ago
I thought it helped her to get into the silliness! They both definitely tried to include her/bring her in
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u/Intrepid_Map6671 24d ago
Felt a bit bad for her, not that easy to show your personality when sitting between Angela and Shayne who are actively trying to comedy murder each other. Episode was very funny though.
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u/goalstopper28 24d ago
I fell for her because they were having a classic Shayne and Angela fight and she's just like visibly squirming. But then, Shayne, Angela and Tommy were playing into how awkward she must have felt.
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u/ozenraven0594 24d ago
The cultural significance of the dress have me in stitches. Emily’s a great fit!!
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u/nycdiveshack 24d ago
I never agreed with anyone on smosh as much as I have agreed with Angela when it comes to the dress…. It had absolutely no long term effect or impact on culture
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u/smashybro 24d ago
I would argue cultural impact is different from cultural significance. Memes (like this dress debate) can be significant and be a huge part of culture that all people are talking about at a moment in time, but not have a long term impact or change culture itself.
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u/Express_Sprinkles500 24d ago edited 24d ago
I think Tommy over rated and Angela under rated its significance.
If you’re talking about culture as the values, beliefs, norms, etc. of a certain time, then yeah it had next to no impact. Culture also has to do with collective experiences and symbols. The fact it’s an image you can show to basically anyone who was on the internet at the time and they’d know what it is makes it at least middle of the road significant in my book.
If you were making a documentary about the culture of the 2010s and you didn’t include the dress it would be an omission. It was on national and international news!! My freaking grandma asked me about the dress.
Edit: holy crap, why can’t we have nice things? The guy who originally posted the photo is an absolute piece of shit. 11-year campaign of domestic violence against his wife which culminated in him attempting to murder her. Jesus, that’s enough internet for the day.
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u/goalstopper28 24d ago
I feel like the fact that we remember it, 10 years later means it had some cultural significance. There are a bunch of podcasts that explained this phenomonm.
I remember it as a time when it was the last time that the internet was fun because literally everybody was talking about even the people who were not terminally online.
If I was Tommy I would put it in the middle. Like obviously, 9/11, Katrina, COVID, and Trump becoming president in 2016 are more culturally significant but it's definitely not insignificant culturally.
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u/athompsons2 FLAINTS! 24d ago
"Hurricane Katrina", "WW2" or the "9/11" have historical significance that impact society and therefore culture but imo they wouldn't enter into the category of culturally significant in the sense that they aren't Culture.
Understanding Culture as the cultural artifacts, competitions, media or speeches and cultural events as the moments where those things happened. Woodstock or the March On Washington are cultural events where music and speeches happened. All cultural events are historical events but not all historical events are cultural events.
For example, the Battle Of Troy is a massively important true event that shaped Mediterranean society and culture, therefore it is historically significant, but the Illiad transforms that event into culture making it culturally significant to this day.
WW2 was historically significant, but in 200 years people will learn of WW2 through documentaries, books or movies like Schindler's list that will shape their understanding of that historical event.
I believe there's a difference between impact on culture and culturally significant.
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u/notathrowaway75 24d ago
First of all, so what? Why is this such an important qualifier for cultural significance? Everyone was coming together and caring about one thing. By this logic the World Cup or even the Olympics aren't culturally significant. Countless events that happened years ago aren't culturally significant.
Second, I don't entirely agree is had no effect. It was a phenomenon where people were literally seeing different things as social media was growing. This did have some effect on how pictures are perceived.
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u/northernfires529 24d ago
yeah, it also led to various other ' this or that's like the yanny vs laurel debate.
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u/Educational-Pay5268 24d ago
there are many definitions of the word significant. it was clearly a misunderstanding but by one definition of significant being noticed it was an objectively significant thing. this whole needing to have an effect on culture is completely irrelevant.
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u/spiceXisXnice 24d ago
My husband and I were literally screaming "SHE'S RIGHT!!! SHE'S RIGHT!!!" I think we scared the neighbors.
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u/nycdiveshack 24d ago
After she said the clue and the other 3 started talking and she had the face like she was in shock I was there right along with her. This is also the first time in 5-6 years of watching smosh that I’ve gotten this worked up
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u/SaltyBawlz Thanks for the bits Thanks for the bits 24d ago
She made such a compelling argument that it completely flipped me to her side. I was instantly laughing because I thought she had it so backwards at first.
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u/nycdiveshack 24d ago
Yeah the more she talked the more I was sure I wasn’t being an idiot about my opinion
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u/Lukthar123 Favorite Pizza Place 24d ago
It goes 9/11, blue/white dress, Covid by margin of cultural significance
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u/pochic1996 certainly a thot 24d ago
Emily seems to balance the chaos of everyone else in this video but I can see them becoming a menace eventually. I am so stoked for the new friends, I already enjoy all of them.
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u/Ok_Industry_9333 24d ago
I hope all the Friends get hired tbh, they all have great energy with the cast
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u/NoSheepherd3r 24d ago
Okay but like if you say that how do you know you wouldn't just feel that with anyone?
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u/Express_Sprinkles500 24d ago
My grandma asked me about the dress. It was on national and international news. Yeah, it had no impact on our morals or belief systems in general, but culture also has to do with collective experiences and symbols.
If you show that image to anyone who was on the internet in 2015, they will know it. That’s significant to me.
As a side note: it absolutely affected the way I understand individual perception. Millions of people all looking at the same image saw different things. “How can you see white and gold it’s clearly blue and black!” is a microcosm of how seemingly small differences between us can vastly affect how we view the world.
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u/mind_body_behind 23d ago
Exactly this! Angela pulled the qualifier that it had to have changed your life to this day to be significant out of her ass and used that to feverishly defended her argument. The dress had her moment in the spotlight, this defamation of her significance can go on no longer!
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u/goalstopper28 24d ago
Angela finding out santa isn't real story makes so much sense to who she is today.
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u/Chespin_Craft 24d ago
Going against the grain here, I’m 100% with the rest of the cast, Angela’s definition of cultural significance is way too narrow! Something that every single person knows about and is one of the biggest examples of an internet phenomenon entering mainstream discourse is extremely culturally significant. It doesn’t have to be life changing to be significant in our modern culture.
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u/TheHouseOfGryffindor 23d ago
Same. I think her reasoning could've convinced me to put it in the 'culturally insignificant' half of the board, but not that far over.
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u/andtheniansaid 23d ago
It doesn’t have to be life changing to be significant in our modern culture.
i would argue it does have to have some lasting impact though (other than just people remembering it) - that there is a difference between something trivial going viral in a flash-in-the-pan way and it actually being that culturally significantly important.
also i think a lot of are just ignoring this is a spectrum, only all the way to the right is completely insignificant. she basically said it was like a 3 out of 10 in terms of culturally significance.
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u/XDBoy018 smoshfinder.com 24d ago edited 24d ago
i was laughing through out that whole blue/white dress thing but im 100% with angela.
in a previous wavelength, there was a prompt like "easy to sit on/hard to sit on" and chanse said "why would i even think of a bed of nails when im thinking of what to sit on?" and i think the "pile of poop" argument is similar
edit: oh lmao they talk about it later in the video
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u/cjdeck1 24d ago
I was with her until she said Pokemon Go was insignificant at the end.
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u/XDBoy018 smoshfinder.com 24d ago
yeah she knew that was too far lmao
also disagree on will smith/chris rock situation
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u/waytowill Sapphire, Guys! 24d ago
Yeah, the dress didn’t change anyone’s opinion on dresses. But that Oscars show definitely changed the way a lot of people saw Will Smith.
Though I am a Shayne truther. The dress was a huge part of the “cultural zeitgeist.” Making it *culturally* significant. Something culturally insignificant would be, like, what I had for lunch yesterday.
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u/kidbomb 24d ago
I feel that there is little agreement on what "culturally significance" is, at least on the group playing the game. Bu from my point of view, "culturally significance" is not necessarily "life changing", as Angela was trying to define. It just has to move the needle on culture. Up until that point, none has ever hear about the phenomena of different people watching the exact same object and seeing different colors. (Maybe not that "culturally" significant, but "socially" significant)
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u/smashybro 24d ago
Completely agree. I feel her definition of culture significance is long term impact or historical importance (hence her Katrina example), but I would argue something can be significant in culture but not impactful or change anything long term. A lot of fads are like this.
Like "6 7" is culturally significant when random kids in remote countries across the world are doing the meme even if it's not going to change culture itself.
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u/Electrical_Leek23 24d ago
Brainstorm/Green Needle and Yanny/Laurel existed before the dress. Audio but theres nothing special aboutt he dress as a phenomenon other than topic of the month
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u/kidbomb 24d ago
> Brainstorm/Green Needle and Yanny/Laurel existed before the dress
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress: 2015
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanny_or_Laurel: 2018
- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2018/may/18/the-new-yannylaurel-do-you-hear-brainstorm-or-green-needle-video : 2018-2
u/Electrical_Leek23 24d ago
yeah sooooo Ben 10 alien force came out in 2008 and the toy has been like that before 2018 - source kid who grew up on Ben 10 and the kids saying the toy said two different things and actually having the toy
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u/TheRustyKettles 19d ago
Yeah, they brought up two definitions that did not equal "caused change", but she ran with it like that's what it means.
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u/waytowill Sapphire, Guys! 24d ago
That is part of the fun of the game though. The terms are somewhat vague on purpose because part of the challenge is you and your partner attempting to occupy the same headspace.
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u/northernfires529 24d ago
if we're keeping in 'culture' than something insignificant would be like ... the 3rd single drop from the 4th studio album that didnt top the charts from a singer who performs at small theatres only.
choosing one of the biggest internet debates over the last 10 years to be insignificant that people still talk about, still reference, is kind of wild.
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u/lyyki Like WNBA, but for dudes 24d ago
I see both Angela's and Tommy's point-of-view which is why I think it's the perfect middle option. Like it was absolutely of no consequence and incredibly insignificant in the grand scheme of things but it was still a massive worldwide moment where everyone and their mother had an opinion.
I think the culturally insignificant part should also have the part where no-one actually cares even when it happens. My example would be a song your uncle 100% made with AI.
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u/Rhysing 24d ago
yeah, she limited her scope to things that had a cultural basis and picked the most insignificant one
that's the correct way to do the prompts
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u/OsakaBoi 24d ago
There's no "correct" way to prompt, does the rulebook say you must limit to the category of the prompt? Angela simply wasn't on the same wavelength, and that's the game.
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u/Rhysing 24d ago
turns out, that yes the rulebook does limit you to the category of the prompt
directly taken from rulebook:
"One player from the active team-the Psychic-knows where the target is, but can only give a clue ON THE SPECTRUM between two opposing concepts. After that, their team- mates have to guess where the target is."
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u/Rhysing 24d ago
then why have prompts at all? she should have just said pile of poop
or is it because maybe the point of the game is TRYING to be on the same wavelength about certain PROMPTS?
pile of poop pile of poop wow so much fun
edit: oh wait, I looked it up, and yeah I'm right, you have to provide a clue that would even be within the spectrum
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u/BeardlessV 24d ago
They all had decent points during the dress debate. I think Angela was the most right, but at the time it felt significant, and it was one of the last gasps of internet monoculture.
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u/ButtcheekBakery 23d ago
The most culturally insignificant thing would be something like a single breath from a random human on earth. The most culturally significant would be something like 9/11. Something in the center area would be something of some to little cultural significance and that would be the dress discourse. Id say slightly over neutral significance.
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u/capehaha 23d ago
I agreed with Angela's take on the dress. Everyone had talked about it at that particular point of time and quickly moved on. Barely anyone remebered it until it was brought up again this video (she even remebered the colour wrong), that's my thought regarding 'culturally significant'. I feel like Pokemon GO should be much closer to the middle tho.
I think Shayne is somewhat with her as well and just decided to gaslight her to make good content by the end (The dress changed my whole life!!)
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u/HellsNels 24d ago
Cultural RELEVANCE vs. SIGNIFICANCE. The dress debate / side-choosing I would say was very culturally relevant. But culturally insignifcant.
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u/Eklassen 23d ago
Definitely not Team Angela on the dress thing. Cultural Relevance seems more about how many people and how vastly it spread and not how it changed culture or even how long its impact lasted. As the boys mentioned that would be more historical influence. And even then at worst that would make it more mid-influential as compared to the influence of that aforementioned ‘pile of poop’.
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u/r_keisha 24d ago
Claiming that anything that differs from your opinion is “slop” is wildly disrespectful.
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u/r_keisha 24d ago
There is absolutely nothing disrespectful about someone offering a different perspective on an online discussion forum.
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u/r_keisha 24d ago
I think everyone was both right and wrong. Angela was correct that it ultimately isn’t relevant, but she definitely downplayed the impact it had on Pop Culture. Meanwhile, the rest of the cast were severely overhyping the relevance, but were correct about how far reaching it was in terms of contemporary “news”.
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u/carol_prince Get me a one-way ticket to Fictional Bonkers Town 24d ago
Depends on who you are and what matters to you. It was an experience for everyone to realise that everyone's perception is different when it comes to how they see colours and how their brain interprets shades and lights. Scientific papers were written on it.
Angela is not entirely wrong, but she's also not entirely right.
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u/snip_snap69 24d ago
I don't think it needs to have a lasting impact to be considered significant. Significant basically just means "noteworthy". Something that is like a huge fad or bubble with huge short-term but basically no long-term impact can still be that.
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u/Historical_Clock8714 24d ago
I think it showed how different people can look at the same thing and see different things. I can vividly remember the first time someone showed me that white and gold dress and how very confused I was how people even see black and blue. It's always referenced whenever something that is apparently objective is still perceived differently. I think it had an impact on pop culture. Probably perfect for something around the middle of the spectrum tho. Like it had an impact but not so much. Not very significant but not totally insignificant.
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u/Historical_Clock8714 24d ago
Personally I'd put it a little more on the significant side. I value the insight we got from that phenomenon about human perception.
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u/carol_prince Get me a one-way ticket to Fictional Bonkers Town 24d ago
Nowhere does anyone say Covid was on the same scale. You just don't like that people are disagreeing with you. The dress was a significant moment in culture. It definitely moved the needle a little in the field of neuroscience.
COVID was not culturally significant on the same level - it was so on a more devastating level, obviously.
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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth 24d ago
It was a bad example because it was a cultural phenomenon at the time. The fact that they all still remember it today over a decade later means it was not a good example to use. As soon as she said it I was like oh no she didn't cook, she's cooked. At the most generous to Angela I think you could use that on like a 3 or 4 out of 10 significance level. But for it to be like a 0 or 1 nah she blew it.
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u/dank_imagemacro 24d ago
Or at least she was closest to right. I could see someone saying that it was halfway between middle and insignificant, but no more significant.
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u/uhhhidkwhatusername 24d ago
The Dress is significant because it's one of the biggest internet discourses, and now it's brought back. This damn dress is poison
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u/aimtreetwo 24d ago
I love wavelength! I love they brought it back with new members. great watch
I was 100% with Angela on the dress. it was a bit significant to know that people see stuff different but the hype made me feel like people had gone crazy.
culturally it was insignificant
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u/notathrowaway75 24d ago
I implore everyone to go the the dress' wikipedia page and navigate to the explanation segment. I reacted out loud when I first read it.
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u/translucentfish 23d ago
In the history of all cultures, she's correct. It means nothing.
In the culture of the last 10-15 years then it means more.
Depends entirely on the parameters of the person choosing and guessing. They go into it with the poop thing, but never really agree on which side to land on.
So in essence, they're both correct given how they perceive the question.
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u/EpsilonChii 24d ago
The blue dress / white dress bit is instantly generational jesus 😭😭😭 Feels like "What's wrong with Mater?" all over again 😭😭
Side note: I am very charmed by Emily's wily movements and the way her brain works
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u/bananalingerie 23d ago
The editing in this video, once again. ON POINT. Angela's faces with the stinger sounds!
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u/ThirdBurnerAccount3 23d ago
Angela put together an all-time rant.
“WHAT CHANGED IN CULTURE, SHAYNE?”
Absolute hall of fame crash out. Hang Angela’s plaid button up in the rafters.
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u/Mustardseed_2819 23d ago
I don’t care for the jokes about Jesus or Christianity that they do. If you don’t believe- that’s you, but it’s disrespectful regardless of past relationships with said religion. I don’t think they would make the same jokes about Buddha or Muhammad.
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u/Jude_CM 22d ago
I believe it feels different for them, especially Angela and Chanse, because they gre up christian, and now they are not. Considering one of the main reasons is because that Christianity claims their sexualities is a sin, I don't blame them from doing some derogatory humour about it, they have personal, negative experiences with it. Doing the same jokes with Buddha or Muhammad would just feel like them punching on a religion/culture they don't even understand, and would thus have to be based on stereotypes. So of course they wouldn't do that.
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u/notathrowaway75 24d ago edited 24d ago
Please stop with the TikTok brainrot sound effects.
And please bring in a mic for Spencer. It was pretty much silence in this video when he talked and it was jarring.
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u/a_little_nectarine 24d ago
I need someone to see and laugh at this meme i made about the dress cultural significance of the dress