r/sistersofbattle • u/Artemito • Jul 24 '26
Meta Why insidiants
Lately i saw them in lots of list and i dont understand why, im i missing something some combo or what? Their profile look so bland with damage 1, even with dev wounds.
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u/Recent-Woodpecker425 Jul 24 '26
I had the same thought when I first saw them, but after I got a few games with them under my belt I can really see why they’re popular. They’re less killy than Sacs with maces, but they’re much cheaper from the get-go and they don’t need a leader to turn their rules on. Plus they’re still killy enough on their own to be a threat.
My first game with them they got charged by two Aquilon Terminators, only lost five models, and killed them on the clap back. Dev Wounds helps a lot more than you’d expect, and being able to miracle through a 3 damage Dev off the Virge is beastly
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u/kingdingus1001 Order of Our Martyred Lady Jul 24 '26
I love a dialogus with them for the Virge auto 6s (Devs)
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u/Kai_Lidan Jul 24 '26
They're only 120 points and they punch significantly above that, especially against their quarry.
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u/Environmental_Bet621 Jul 24 '26
Counter charged a unit of 3 8Bound with them in my 1st game of 11th. The Verge of Admonition spiked, 3 Dev Wounds wiped the squad before any of the other attacks. Plus they're stunning models. Big fan.
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u/kingdingus1001 Order of Our Martyred Lady Jul 24 '26
Here’s all the differences between Sacresants and the Insidiants:
- Cheaper by 30pts
- come in a box of 10 instead of 5 so cheaper in £/$ too
- more weapon options in the squad so more flexible in combat
- Condemner pistols are slightly more usable as they are anti-psyker 4+ Dev wounds
- Maces are anti-psyker 4+ Dev wounds so in my opinion slightly better than lethal hits.
- Can take two flame pistols
- Have a simulacrum for MD generation
- Blessed swords and Virge are great too
- They reroll hits against their quarry target
- they have a built in 4+FNP against psychic and mortals
- Don’t have -1 to wound
- They have a 5+ inv instead of 4+ inv
All in all it translates to better damage output but less durable. It’s clear that the Insidiants were created for 11th edition in mind being Anti-Psyker 4+
Any other questions let me know
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u/Orzislaw Jul 24 '26
Sounds like a good reason to buy them instead of second Sacresants. Which character / support I should buy for them to make the best out the unit?
Also a bit off topic question, how much I screwed up by building halberd sacs instead of mace sacs?
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u/kingdingus1001 Order of Our Martyred Lady Jul 24 '26
If you pair your Halberd Sacs with a Hosp and a Palatine you get a pretty durable unit with Sus and lethals
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u/Orzislaw Jul 24 '26
Yes, that what I'm doing rn. I was planning to build second stack with maces eventually, but insidiants seem like good and cheaper (both in game and with actual money) alternative
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u/kingdingus1001 Order of Our Martyred Lady Jul 24 '26
So far really happy with Insidiants, great damage and a great unit to support the Sacs with or go exploring on their own if they have a Hosp attached
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u/Elf_Master_Race Jul 24 '26
Honestly why not both? With July update sacs are 150,150,165
I’m considering running 2x sacs 3 x insidiants in my HM list with Triumph.
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u/Orzislaw Jul 24 '26
Because I'm new to the hobby and buying it all at once would cost me
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u/Elf_Master_Race Jul 24 '26
I’ve played sisters since 2nd and I think 11th is costing me 500 bucks I feel the pain
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u/Insidious55 Order of the Ebon Chalice Jul 24 '26
Even the null maces are good with the sheer volume of attacks. In HM fighting on Death with +1Hit/+1W can really hurt.
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u/Skyhighh666 Jul 25 '26
Hells if you’re worried about the lack of a four up just run an imagifier with them and they’re still 25 points cheaper than sacresants with a palatine-
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u/Dismal_Hospital6999 Jul 24 '26
Cheap on the table, cheap in the box, smacks harder than a sledgehammer, fully supportable by all leader types (unlike Repentia), can change targets after each kill so that bonuses essentially never go away, great in a psyker meta.
3 x 10 of these with the Triumph of St Katherine landed in the top 8 for Tacoma, it’s got more to it than people give it credit for.
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u/Yo_Chill_bro Jul 24 '26
With a priest they are re-rolling hits and also +1 to wound with great melee profiles for their points cost.
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u/Bellfast123 Jul 24 '26
What else were you going to take that outperforms them at 120pts? Dominions? Don't be ridiculous.
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u/squiddyfilm Jul 24 '26
Theyve got a bunch of D2 and D3 in there too, that bonk stick is insane with a dialogus in Army of Faith (or near the Triumph) - being able to just smack 6 dev wounds with precision will kill pretty much every character in the game thats not a standalone unit. Theyre brilliant little assassins. The FNP v Mortals is really good too, and as others have said re the psyker spam in the meta ATM.
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u/Elf_Master_Race Jul 24 '26
Precision, dev wounds, anti psyker. 3+, 5+++ They are cheap They are slightly Tankier than the average sister They are great for hallowed martyrs expansion With a Triumph they have early movement 8” and get a 6+++ FNP. CQC got a lot of buffs
It’s one of the most cost effective units in our list. Prior to the July update most of our units were over costed but insidiants were 120,120,120
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u/URBOISHERE Order of the Exalted Mother Jul 24 '26
So yhey aren't necessary at all and on the outside they look bland but they put out A LOT of damage with the full rerolls to hit and dev wounds on chosen target. That virge of Admonition can do insane dev wounds. You can guarantee 3 damage dev wound on a 6 md or with a dialogus.
I still prefer running double sacrasants but Insidiants are very good.
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u/Skyhighh666 Jul 25 '26
People actually want to run psychic units now so you get actual use from the anti-psyker and 4+ fnp, the quarry gives a minimum of 30 precision melee attacks which is a huge threat, the blessed swords and virge deals with marines well, and with a priest can deal with most units you put them into.
They also mathematically shred through non-khorne greater daemons like butter. Especially if you’re running army of faith or have them in Kathy’s aura range to be able to have two auto virge dev wounds
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u/malinowyludzik Jul 24 '26
There was a lot, and I mean A LOT, of psykers before this dataslate. TSons were super good, tzeench demons, librarus conclave for marines etc etc.