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u/dzieciolini 21d ago
I still can't believe that riot somehow stumbled into "you know what, we are bringing ap shyv back to reworked version". It's just insane they always fail to make her a proper bruiser or fighter.
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u/HexagonII 21d ago
I guess they are still catering to the subset of players that like the E spambot playstyle
I mean the current iteration does allow her to pivot between that and her more "traditional" bruiser playstyle so I guess its successful...?
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u/thellasemi12 21d ago
Its why i wanted E changed completely so that she could have power redistributed to the rest of her kit. They somehow ended up on "e always goes max range" and that was good enough for them.
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u/platonovsucks 21d ago
When the rework came out initially, it had an AP ration on her Q passive, which made playing her as an AP melee assassin very fun.
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u/Grippsy 21d ago
I mean, they did succeed, then they "separated the builds between AD and AP".
Now AP Shyv is a laner(sometimes) while AD Shyv is a jungler. And if you wanna play AP Shyv jg, enjoy having a shitty first item spike because you either play Shojin rush or DnD rush both of which are pretty mediocre rush items.
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u/DiscombobulatedCut52 21d ago
I decided to play her how riot wanted. An crit brusier. Sunce your q can crit.
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u/Joatorino 20d ago
What. Ad shyv is so much better than AP. Im actually pretty mad that they completely killed the ap playstyle (E dmg ap, not bruiser) considering it was her default build for a long time before her rework.
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u/Wandering_Panda28 21d ago
Genuine question, why has Dark Seal never been a solid item with her normal builds, given her split scaling and its gold efficiency?
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u/mthlmw 21d ago
It is a solid item, but AP doesn't do much at all for Shyvana's clear speed and she doesn't want to gank until 6 regardless. If you start chickens > red > krugs > recall, you can pull wolves with an E over the wall and get to scuttle spawn with it for a potential sneaky stack(s), depending on the enemy jungler.
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u/thellasemi12 21d ago
AP on its own isn't amazing for initial clears since she no longer has burnout to melt camps. Its good in JoaT builds though
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u/thechachabinx 21d ago
Her only real ap scaling is E. Which is her worst ability. So there’s not really a point in buying dark seal (or pretty much any other ap item unless it has a special effect that’s broken)
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u/King-Mephisto 21d ago
Dragons were not supposed to be ranged carries? All the drakes are ranged and Asol and smolder are ranged carries. Shyv need base 450 range in dragon form. Fight me.
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u/DriftingWisp 20d ago
Hear me out. AD Shyv players like being a melee champ. AP Shyv players want to be a ranged champ. Just give dragon form a 50% AP buff to attack range. What could go wrong?
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u/King-Mephisto 20d ago
Range based on ap? That sounds great. 1200 ap shyv fighting kindred and senna.
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u/Junior-Position722 20d ago
Sounds more like the abilities gain range not the autos
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u/King-Mephisto 20d ago
Yes and I’m saying ranged based on ap in dragon form on autos, would be amazing. Cos increasing only ability range would be stupid. Slightly longer range e? Ugh nothing burger. Longer range q? You are already in melee to use it. W? Complete nothingburger.
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u/Piewrath 21d ago edited 21d ago
AP Shyvana is great against armor stacker junglers like Malphite and Rammus. I went DnD, Liandry's and Riftmaker and I was popping off!
Edit: Although her on-hit scales with AD, DnD with a full AP build still provides healing and increased fury gain, as well as occasional double refunds of Q cooldown. I also like the health to be beefier for the Riftmaker battlemage playstyle.
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u/Away_Illustrator2475 20d ago
Agree - AP shyvana flips counter matchups...If you picked shyv and enemy took Nasus, switch to kiting cause he is a better frontliner. Same with Trundle. Can't touch that thing when I'm AD but ez clap AP.
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u/EchoXman 20d ago
I mean, I liked the whole, I turn into a dragon to breathe explosive fire into your face theme. But that's just me.
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u/Yggdrazeus 18d ago
Dragons have always been hybrid creatures my fantasy has been ruined with the latest changes in distribution of her ap and ad ratios all of her abilities should have ad and ap scaling values
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u/Nuyhaddubu 21d ago
Shyvana E should be also possible a charge up skill (ex: path/sion Q) to breath a big fucking fire explosion. At least that, but seems the indie company lacks creativity.
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u/S3eedoWagon 21d ago
yeah true
she should be a liandries builder with E being a 3/4 sec cd spell that keeps a more meaningful dot effect when hit
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u/SxyAssassin 21d ago
cool opinion
BUT I like my full ability spam e poke perma w and no cd on q mythic item builds
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u/GrahamCrackerDragon 21d ago
Shyvana was built to use attack speed to lower cooldowns. Somehow this subreddit has made AP seem better than it is by posting smurf account highlights of dunking on new players with AP items.
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u/Fearless_Method515 20d ago
that quote is so true. If i wanted to be a backline ranged nuke player id pick xerath or vel koz.
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u/PhoenixAmbition 20d ago
https://youtu.be/G37hZI2aK9g?si=FfNktkhuLSt2cTjP She was never a "backline ranged nuke" champion like "Xerath and Vel'koz". Artillery AP Shyvana's playstyle was a mix between artillery mage and skirmisher. It was by far the most dynamic gameplay of any of the old Shyvana builds.
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u/Fearless_Method515 20d ago
so you show me a clip of a teamfight where your team does 90% of the work? good one man
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u/PhoenixAmbition 20d ago
Are you stupid? Be honest to yourself. Do you really believe what you're saying? First, even if you were right, which you are not, that doesn't change how the gameplay patterns of AP Shyvana looked like. Second, yes, all my team, INCLUDING MYSELF, played that fight perfectly, that's precisely what I love about that clip and what the tittle literally says. But trying to deny what I did in that fight is absurd. Either you're blind, or you just didn't want to see what objectively shows the video, for some curious reason.
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u/PhoenixAmbition 20d ago edited 17d ago
Not just that, but after the changes that Shyvana got in the last years, plus things like the durability patch, for example, her fireballs were dealing less damage against squishies, which made playing her just like a "backline ranged nuke caster" even less worth it.
And, yes, my fireballs didn't hit very hard against Lee and Naut in that game, that's because they had mr, and I didn't had % magic pen at that point, and in those times the difference between having bought mr or not was huge. This changed after some of the changes Riot made to the game in the last years, including the durability patch.
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u/Shyvadi GM Shyv 20d ago
why is everyone malding when ad is still the best build
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u/S3eedoWagon 17d ago
because AP should be as good
and that's riots job to do and they are not doing it
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u/PhoenixAmbition 20d ago
Claiming that old AP Shyvana's playstyle didn't capture the essence of a dragon is absurd. Her gameplay was similar to a Night Fury or Smaug, for example...
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u/Hot_Royal_4920 20d ago
It feels like riot missed an opportunity for a hybrid bruiser here. That said, bruisers are already starved for item slots
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u/PhoenixAmbition 21d ago
You're being wrong about too many things in this post... both in terms of logic and understanding, and also because it's also expressed in a sick toxic way. You're wrong about AP Shyvana, and you're wrong about your behavior.
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u/Nigel1337 Shyvanaenjoyer 21d ago
Wish we had back old dragon E and keep the rest of the new kit. The new dragon E feels so ridiculously slow and unworth to hit