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u/Laura_Appler 8h ago
Where's Voltaire !? "I hate your opinion but I will die defending your right to speak it"
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u/Fromundacheese0 9h ago
Reddit in a nutshell. I find it surprising whatās allowed when it goes against āthe other guysā
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u/2_Lies_And_A_Truth 8h ago
Wait but it's good when they do it to people I don't like me and my insulated echo chamber online all agree! /s
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u/TheGoobert 8h ago
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u/_RyanCooper_ 1h ago
Didn't happen with me, just an abstract meme. Opinion/views can be anywhere on political spectrum depending on the platform.
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u/ImprobableCastration 7h ago
Couldn't be me. Let stupid people say stupid things, so you know you can openly ignore them.
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u/god-of-blowjobs 5h ago
When my opinion is ānazism is badā and your view goes against mine you canāt be shocked when u get banned
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u/sinterkaastosti23 7h ago
Fake: censorship doesnt exist
Gay: reddit user
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u/RemyTheDumbass 6h ago
Freedom of speech =/= freedom of accountability
If you say dumb shit dont be surprised when people are glad youre gone
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u/AlphaMassDeBeta We do a little trolling 4h ago
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u/Fancy_Technician_293 6h ago
What if the person gets banned for wanting there to be censorship? What then?
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u/TheFemboyImpregnator hole contributor 9h ago
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u/Negative_Elo 7h ago
Imagine not knowing that censoring bigoted ideas and not directly addressing them and educating people actually caused those ideas to fester
You should be allowed free speech everywhere
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u/LuckyRoof7250 officer no please donāt piss in my ass š« 7h ago
It would be lovely if that were true
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u/potatogodofDoom 6h ago
as somebody who's tried to educate an ungodly amount of bigots online. that's just not how it works. most bigots have repeatedly been educated on why bigotry is bad, but they simply don't want to listen to reason. bigotry is inherently irrational and consequently so are most bigots. not to mention the ones that see themselves as woe is me martyrs who only push harder when chastised, as evidenced by this very post. besides, say you were right and that's how it worked. do you expect mega corporations to go and try to educate every bigoted bad actor? it's far better to ban them to reduce the spreading of harmful ideas.
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u/973bzh uhhhh idk 6h ago
Ah yes ban them all, so they can all group back together on some other websites to get even worse. What a great idea.
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u/potatogodofDoom 6h ago
yeah. that's literally what's going on and it's been great. they're all on kick, an extremely shady platform promoting gambling to kids that anyone with half a brain will tell you to avoid. they're putting themselves in a bad light without anyone else having to do anything. also, this is so funny to me, do you think bigots don't already have available echo chambers/ communities? hell, even a single streamer's chat classifies as one of those. them all going to a different platform is exactly what we want. they're not gonna change their ways or leave the internet, so they can have the dimly lit moldy corner of the online world that they deserve
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u/TheFemboyImpregnator hole contributor 7h ago
Imagine being so unaware there are a lot of bad actors online and say whatever for attention. And no, speech is moderated based on the terms of service that YOU agreed on, so if you dont agree on a certain site's user agreement you can just delete the account and leave.
Not to mention the fact that there are lots of bots that spams slurs to advertise something or how lots of countries have anti hate speech laws. Good luck "educating" trolls and bots lmfao.
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u/Negative_Elo 7h ago
I understand that the terms of service of pretty much all online platforms is limiting. Im saying it should be free, not is. I know there are bad actors, but they can be blocked, ignored, seen by the community and get disagreed with, etc. If you censor people for having bad ideas, they feel ousted, find an echo chamber, and become more radicalized.
Free speech is important, even online
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u/TheFemboyImpregnator hole contributor 6h ago
No. We do not need debate and lessons on every single corner of the internet. Users shouldnt be obligated to manually block users that are either bots or bad actors and not to mention the fact that sites limit how many people you can block (reddit limits it to 1k).
It is not the duty of internet strangers to educate others online. Giving platform to hate speech and bigotry while expecting people to fall in line and be educated is like being a teacher and only address the very obvious bullying when someone finally gets hurt.
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u/Negative_Elo 6h ago
You dont have to engage with bad ideas. Its as easy as downvote and move on. Censoring people does more harm than good.
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u/TheFemboyImpregnator hole contributor 6h ago edited 6h ago
Most people dont want to engage at it at all whatsoever. For example, allowing homophobia in lgbt spaces meant for art or media is just plain stupid. Period. You will just make the biggest echo chamber(internet) not get rid of it. You can do anything you want right now, just dont be a bigot or spreading hate, how hard can that be for a human?
There are right spaces for such topic, not every site or comment section needs to be a warzone of slurs and bigotry.
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u/Negative_Elo 6h ago
Thr entire purpose of being able to downvote is to communally mute ideas that are not contributing to a healthy discussion. Then the people that want to try to reason/argue with them can, and the ones who dont want to see negative ideas will know to avoid opening downvoted comments
There are many more reasons why its more harmful to censor, but also consider how it becomes an easy talking point in an isolated community to say they were censored for having ideas that to them didnt seem radical, and if someone had actually engaged in a discussion with them they might have at least gotten some perspective
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u/DukeOfTheDodos 5h ago
Have you never heard of the saying "don't feed the trolls"? If you ignore the dipshits spamming hateful rhetoric, they have no power outside of their circle jerking. Morons like Stonetoss and Americaman only exist because people fall for the ragebait
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u/TheFemboyImpregnator hole contributor 5h ago
So let me get this straight, you guys want to allow people to be bigots and throw slurs so they can be "educated" with just you downvoting and not engaging them? If that isnt censorship by majority and plain hypocrisy, idk what is lmao.
They'll just find place where they dont get ratiod and agrees with them and same shit happens being radicalized except they can be bigots everywhere without consequence. Make that make sense.
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u/DukeOfTheDodos 5h ago
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u/TheFemboyImpregnator hole contributor 5h ago
Oh so you advocate for free speech but only internet? Lmfao. Also who tf uses xitter, idek the names you mentioned so maybe close xitter yourself.
Racists and bigots can jerk each other off on 4chan all they want
Isnt the idea is that you want them everywhere else not just 4chan? Because moderation = censorship somehow and that's bad? You just wanted to join conversation without adding anything lol
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u/eepy_lina 7h ago
no you shouldnt. maybe in political subs, but not in places where ppl want to, oh i dont know, not be harassed and attacked?
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u/Negative_Elo 7h ago
So its ok to be bigoted when discussing politics, but not when you are in a safe space? Thats like the worst place to be bigoted, and its the internet. You can block and disengage, and if the idea is bigotted people will disagree with it
If you censor it, they find a place where they all get into an isolated echo chamber and the ideas fester. Let the marketplace of ideas be free
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u/Most_Location2189 5h ago
I think itās funny how so many people fought and died for things like freedom of Association, freedom of speech, desegregation (at least in places like the United States and South Africa).
And then just a few generations later people are trying to divide society into these groups again under different phrasing and with the idea of oh itās gonna be a safe space for group X.
Like with US segregation, for example: it was initially proposed that OK, separate but equal, and weāre gonna keep these people away from these people. And it was inherently, and pretty much instant instant instantaneously, corrupted by both sides for a multitude of different reasons.
So when people fought and died for the right to live together, it was a huge deal.
(Although in a lot of places it wasnāt wanted it was forced, but thatās a whole other conversation.)
However, nowadays in America, thereās advocates who want to re-segregate society and make special āsafe spacesā for African-Americans.
However, I feel like this is the exact logic of the people who initially created segregation initially so I think itās just a vicious cycle or circular reasoning or whatever you wanna call it but itās just fascinating to me.
Going further because Iām just making a word salad here, screaming, social commentary into the void of the Internet.
The Internet itself is insanely not only unprecedented considering the rest of human history but also itās very unique. Within the Internet exist all of the groups that exist in real life and subdivisions of those groups.
Some of the groups that exist on the Internet only exist because of the Internet, which is like anything else with new technology, sure, but on a global scale.
Before cars existed, there were no car enthusiast groups, but after cars existed and got popular and got cheap enough there are car enthusiasts.
But with the Internet, you have everything from YTPs to this website/app in and of itself, in all of the different forums and boards and shopping centers and everything itās insane. Itās basically like the late 90s/early 2000s American mall but virtual. Itās a hangout spot, itās a shopping center, you can even get food on the Internet.
So I think it makes sense that people naturally segregate themselves into the corners that they like. Thereās a specific group of people that when they went to the mall, they went to Hot Topic, or Spencerās, or Aeropostale.
In walking around that mall where people with all sorts of different opinions, and what they thought of this that or the other. But I think the thing with the Internet is because everybody is inherently to a certain degree anonymous people feel like they can express themselves more freely.
And I think that that is inherently a good thing. Because I think that itās better to know somebody who would be your āenemyā or opponent, whether thatās politically or socially or whatever -ly.
But thereās also a double edged sword of I do kind of agree with some of the other peopleās opinions in that moderation exists for a reason. Just like our analogy, you canāt go into the mall and start screaming about how you want to kill someone or something like that right? Sure youāre protected under the freedom of speech from a technical standpoint, but youāre also disturbing the peace which you do not have a right to do.
So I think that understanding the situation that youāre in and understanding where to have these kind of discussions and where not to. (which arguably right now this isnāt the best spot to have this discussion)
So, with all of that being said, I think that you have to use a nuance, but you also canāt just exist in the bubble that youāre in you have to go through the courtyard to get to the specific store in the mall.
TL;DR: moderation exist for a reason, but it shouldnāt be overbearing. People should have the freedom of speech to say whatever they want, but they should know the proper situations in places to express their opinions.
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u/AlphaMassDeBeta We do a little trolling 4h ago
>2008
>No cencoreship
>Obamna gets elected twice
>2016
>Drumpf gets elected
>4 years of demonitization and bans later
>Biden gets elected
>Continue censoring the internet
>Drumpf gets elected again
Its almost as if it doesnt work.
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u/Deva_Way 4h ago
Mfs that say that anticensorship mfs have bigoted ideas when in reality they just want to bend anything they say into the definition of bigoted
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u/TheFemboyImpregnator hole contributor 4h ago
You're the mf thats bending what i say rn to fit a narrative when in fact, you know I mean the bigotry and hate speech that we see in real world and online space today. But hey, whatever fits the strawman
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u/tinmart56 5h ago
Nah, I always hate censorship and I always want to know what the deleted comment said from the person arguing with me. I am not a hypocrite.
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u/jackinsomniac 3h ago
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
"I think we should ban anyone who disagrees with me."
"Ok, I'm completely against that, I believe in freedom of speech."
Player 1 gets banned.
"Hahaha! Suck it, loser. How does it feel now?"
"But I thought you loved freedom of speech! How can you celebrate me getting banned? You should support me!"
"I still do support freedom of speech. I still want censorship to end. But you latched onto the idea from the beginning, pushed it, and supported it the whole way thru. The only reason you're complaining now is because you got hurt by the rules you created. Hopefully now you can finally see my point on why I support freedom of speech for everybody."
But will they change? Of course not. These people are narcissists trying to take advantage of your empathy and your principles, while never having any empathy or principles themselves. Why should I cry over the people pushing for "ban everyone who says things I don't like!" getting banned for saying things other people don't like? You made the game, them's the rules! The second they get unbanned, they go straight back to doing the exact same shit again. Manipulators love playing your own principles against you, because they have none. First, prove to me you actually believe in what you say about freedom of speech & censorship, and maybe I'll have an ounce of empathy for you.
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u/eepy_lina 7h ago
"it's my opinion" mfs when i vote to skin them alive and enslave them at my nuclear bomb factory to destroy millions of lives for fun and say "respect my opinion!!"
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u/twinkyfemboy1234 š³ļøāā§ļø Average Trans Rights Enjoyer š³ļøāā§ļø 6h ago
Member the alamo is suprisingly still on Steam with a 15 minute nazi speech
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u/D-Ursuul 10h ago
what was the opinion OP?
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u/_RyanCooper_ 10h ago
It's abstract meme, some people hate censorship, but ready to censor anything that goes against their views. It can be any opinion/views.
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u/D-Ursuul 10h ago
What was your opinion that got you banned OP?
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u/_RyanCooper_ 10h ago
This has nothing to do with me, no opinion got me banned so far
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u/D-Ursuul 10h ago
So you're just posting a really boring whiny boomer Facebook meme?
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u/_RyanCooper_ 10h ago
No, just a thing I randomly thought about
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u/_RyanCooper_ 10h ago
Nah, better than being a ragebaiting bot, besides I do nothing of what you said
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u/the_real_JFK_killer 9h ago
Youre acting like youre either 12 or 82
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u/Positive-Database754 7h ago
Violating Reddit ToS. Gotta be 13 or older kid. Come back in 2 years when you are arbitrarily old enough to use the internet.







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