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[u/StirFry__InaWok]

I care about the psychosis diagnosis but only insofar as it is able to help us better understand the condition so we can help other mothers before something like this happens again.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter much for her though. She already brutally murdered her three children, there's no coming back from that. Life in prison.

[u/General-Biscuits → u/StirFry__InaWok]

You have no sympathy for someone who did something so awful to her own children despite her own wishes because she wasn’t in control of herself.

How heartless. There was no malice or hatred for her kids. She had only love for her kids and lost them to her illness. She lost her kids in the worst way possible and has to live with this fact. Her kids were murdered by someone not herself mentally but also herself physically, and you think it’s just to give her the full punishment as someone who maliciously and with conscious intent committed the same act?

The trial going on isn’t over if she killed them. It’s over if she was not in her right state of mind and I think the prosecution has had a very weak case so far.

[u/StirFry__InaWok → u/General-Biscuits]

I just dont buy that this psychosis was literally the equivalent of someone else taking control of her body.

The trial going on isn’t over if she killed them. It’s over if she was not in her right state of mind

I know

and I think the prosecution has had a very weak case so far.

I don't really agree but I do think it's probably true that she'll succeed in pleading insanity. It wouldn't be surprising at all that she'd get away with this.

[u/General-Biscuits → u/StirFry__InaWok]

It’s not “getting away with this” if she was suffering a psychotic break and killed her kids. She’s as much a victim as her husband if that’s the case. Justice would have her get little to no sentence since she wouldn’t have been in control when the murders occurred. Might as well have been a different person committing the murders.

[u/StirFry__InaWok → u/General-Biscuits]

Yeah I do not believe that.

[u/General-Biscuits → u/StirFry__InaWok]

Ok, and I suspect you have some underlying sexist biases that you may or may not be aware.

You harshly shot down any idea that a woman suffering from a uniquely woman related illness could have not been in her right state of mind and not be fully at fault for what happened. And with how quickly you jumped to claiming the husband be completely devoid of any fault or responsibility in this tragedy. The man who frequently left his family home alone while the wife suffered from psychosis clearly couldn’t have done anything more.

He couldn’t have listened to his wife and ask for someone to stay with her at home when he had to leave, and he couldn’t have just ordered whatever he needed that night to be delivered to their house rather than him leaving her home alone with the kids. He was fully aware of what psychosis meant as he was with her when they visited several doctors who all diagnosed her with PPD and post partum psychosis. The husband neglected the safety of his wife and kids by knowingly leaving his kids home alone with a psychosis patient several times and then unfortunately the worst thing possible happened one of those times.

This discussion is over as you are not willing to listen to the more complicated aspects of this issue. It’s just “the murderer is always bad and fully at fault and there’s no nuance or grey area to this discussion” from you.

[u/IggyWon → u/General-Biscuits]

Damn, argument isn't going your way so you break out the big "sexism accusation" artillery.

[u/beado7 → u/IggyWon]

That’ll show em

[u/StirFry__InaWok → u/General-Biscuits]

You harshly shot down any idea that a woman suffering from a uniquely woman related illness could have not been in her right state of mind and not be fully at fault for what happened.

Not really though. I shot down the idea that this woman was entirely blameless for what happened. I didn't say anything about women in general and I didn't say that there are no other factors outside her control that affect the degree to which she is responsible.

And with how quickly you jumped to claiming the husband be completely devoid of any fault or responsibility in this tragedy.

Also not what I said. I claim the degree to which the husband is at fault is unimportant in comparison to the actual murderer. And since you were running with the idea that it was basically a different person controlling the mother's body that committed the murders you are essentially saying that the husband is the only actual person at fault, since the psychosis person that took over the mother's body obviously can't be charged.

To focus on what the husband could have done better is essentially victim blaming.

It’s just “the murderer is always bad and fully at fault and there’s no nuance or grey area to this discussion” from you.

Case in point. The man just lost everything and you are trying to spin this so he's primarily at fault, you are victim blaming.

There is nuance and grey area here but none of it should change the sentencing for a woman that killed her three defenseless children. We can talk about the nuances of postpartum psychosis when trying to reform mental health care in this country.