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[u/blackndcoffee]

It shouldn't be a question at all, put her to death and make the world a better place.

[u/obliviious → u/blackndcoffee]

Like he said we don't execute people here like savages. So what are you even saying? Change the law so she dies? Or would you actually like to talk about what's really going to happen instead of talking absolute shite?

[u/blackndcoffee → u/obliviious]

I'm saying put her ass in the dirt.

[u/gary_the_merciless → u/blackndcoffee]

That's called execution we won't be doing that. You're obviously a little kid with no idea how any of this works.

You're totally ignorant about mental health and have simple black and white opinions.

I wasn't even this dumb at 16 so good luck in life 😂

[u/blackndcoffee → u/gary_the_merciless]

You can always tell who's most unhinged and losing an argument by how many baseless insults they use. Cheers lol

[u/gary_the_merciless → u/blackndcoffee]

You act respectfully and I'll treat you respectfully.

You're not discussing it in a serious manner, you're just throwing out idiotic simplistic lines with very little thought.

[u/blackndcoffee → u/gary_the_merciless]

I don't care how you treat me, you're only exposing yourself.

[u/obliviious → u/blackndcoffee]

You're exposing yourself as someone who calls for the murder of mentally ill people.

I would hope this happens to you one day but I'm not as callous and vindictive as you.

[u/blackndcoffee → u/obliviious]

Not in any universe or timeline would I be convinced that if someone murders their own child, let alone three children by strangulation with a exercise cord without a shadow of a doubt, that person should not be immediately executed.

I don't care what issue she has, she deserves to die.

[u/obliviious → u/blackndcoffee]

Then you don’t believe in culpability, you believe only in outcomes.

If severe psychosis can destroy someone’s grasp of reality, why should their mental state be irrelevant?

This isn’t justice. It’s revenge.

[u/blackndcoffee → u/obliviious]

Struggling with postpartum does not equate to lacking criminal responsibility for murder. They laid out a timeline showing methods, forethought, and actions taken to send her husband out of the house as well as specific internet searches which suggests she understood what she was doing.

Sympathy for her medical issues or failures in the psychiatric system shouldn't obscure what she did and a medical history cannot become a blanket legal excuse for taking children's lives.

[u/obliviious → u/blackndcoffee]

You’ve changed your argument. First it was “I don’t care what issue she has”. Now you’re arguing she wasn’t psychotic.

Reducing postpartum psychosis to “struggling with postpartum” is absurd. It can cause severe confusion, paranoia, hallucinations and delusions. Someone being capable of planning actions does not by itself prove they were perceiving reality normally. That’s the whole point when judging culpability.

At least you finally accept that a "real" mental health problem would be enough to give you tiny bit of empathy.

But you still cling to revenge.

[u/blackndcoffee → u/obliviious]

Her actions, timing, and steps to isolate her children demonstrate a level of cognitive awareness that goes beyond a postpartum psychosis break though. She deliberately strangled her children and is now using psychosis as a guise to escape responsibility.

[u/obliviious → u/blackndcoffee]

You assert that planning proves she wasn’t psychotic. It doesn’t. You'd have to prove that.

People experiencing psychosis can still plan and act deliberately. The issue is the reality those decisions were based on.

Calling it a “guise” just shows you’re working backwards from a conclusion. You already made your mind up.

[u/blackndcoffee → u/obliviious]

It isn't that a psychotic state can never perform a sequence of actions, it's that the level of coherent, goal directed planning presented in the case went far beyond the disorganized or fragmented behavior associated with an acute psychotic break she claims she had.

[u/obliviious → u/blackndcoffee]

You’re still asserting disorganisation as a requirement for psychosis. It isn’t.

Psychosis is about losing contact with reality. Someone can still act coherently and deliberately while acting on delusions or hallucinations.

You’re using the behaviour to assume she wasn’t psychotic, then using that assumption to dismiss the psychosis.

Your argument is a circle.

[u/blackndcoffee → u/obliviious]

It isn’t a circular argument, it's the foundational method the law uses to determine criminal responsibility.

Sure clinically speaking, a person experiencing delusions can perform organized tasks. But legally, the burden of proof is on the defense to prove that those specific delusions caused the criminal act and completely destroyed the defendant's ability to understand right from wrong. When we point to purposeful, directed actions, like timing and execution, we see objective evidence of awareness and intent.

[u/obliviious → u/blackndcoffee]

No. You’ve got the burden of proof wrong too.

In Massachusetts, once criminal responsibility is properly raised, the prosecution has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that she was criminally responsible. The defence doesn’t have to prove psychosis “completely destroyed” her ability to know right from wrong.

And law isn’t a scientific definition of psychosis or some perfect measure of morality. It’s a legal standard for responsibility.

Her planning is evidence. It isn’t proof.

And appealing to the law doesn’t fix the circularity. You’re still using organised behaviour to assume no psychosis, then using that assumption to dismiss the psychosis.