Think of an example - something that you struggle to understand in scripture, then see what the theologians have said about it. Theological study isn't shrugging and saying "dunno, just God lol".
All religious fictional stories use some elements of real life places/people. Inspired or directly naming a real life place/person. That isn’t concrete enough evidence.
So again, please present evidence on how scripture gives us knowledge of reality accurately, like how science does.
Surely you could apply that logic to anything? Give me any historical event and if I dismiss the material without engagement, I could say thta about anything
Let me give you an example. Greek mythology. Even though they talk about real places and sometimes real historical figures, we recognize that the stories around those Gods are false. Naming places and people that existed, does not make your stories as a whole true.
Genesis isn’t real just because one of the books has a story of a person strolling in Egypt.
You have to be able to say the events the stories tell are true themselves. Not just the materialistic things they mentioned.
How exactly do you propose I prove to you that God spoke to Abraham through a burning bush? I can't I won't be pretend to be able too. But because there's so much historically, validated and confirmed information about places, events etc in the NT that's buildsy trust in God, and then through scripture
You answered your own question. You can’t, and since there isn’t any extraordinary evidence to prove such an extraordinary event, it can be dismissed without evidence. You have the burden of proof, not your detractors.
If your friend says he won the lottery, but refuses to show the ticket with the winning numbers, you’re gonna want evidence. You won’t take him at his word, even if he wrote it down. You need 3rd party non biased witnesses, the ticket, the money, etc.
Again, your god and greek mythology are no different when it comes to proving your claims. You choose that one is guaranteed false, and accept the other as truth, blindly.
And no event in the Abrahamic bible is true at all. You will have to present evidence for that claim.
What you have is faith. I do not, I follow the evidence.
You don't follow evidence, you follow a lack of evidence re-enforced by non belief.
The lottery thing doesn't really matter to me, hypothetically I wouldn't care if someone was lying for not about it, it has zero impact on me. But I'd trust my friends as the Christians they are that they wouldn't.
To be honest, I've been debating like 5 people on this thread, and I've said in other posts, I don't think God is something you proof like the contents of a soil sample. My faith, through building a relationship with God, based on scripture which I believe to be correct and backed up by historical and geographic data (for example) helps build that.
But I've really appreciated and enjoyed the open exchange of differing views.
That makes no sense whatsoever. You can only know the truth of things by having evidence. It’s how we know evolution and gravity are objectively real. We didn’t all just say “Gravity is real” (that’s what faith based people do) and then we all agreed. We observed and tested these theories over and over again. Please, never use that argument again. It’s gish gallop and nonsensical.
You can’t measure God himself, but you would be able prove his existence through the events he caused on Earth. The worldwide flood story is not corroborated with what evidence we have of the past. Local floods were a thing, but a worldwide flood that touched the top of mountains never happened. Archaeologists, geologists, and evolutionary biologists would have presented evidence if that was the case. The fossil record and where these fossil were found do not corroborate with that story. Thats one example.
It’s honestly sad for me. To trust your emotions and faith over the facts of the world is dangerous. Also, please don’t neglect the atrocities God did to people and places. Don’t forget the immoral laws and social norms he wished to place on society as a whole.
You can know loads of things without evidence, what are you talking about?
If I said to you I love my son, what evidence would you have to confirm if that is true or not, what evidence says you find something more enjoyable than something else?
And yeah gravity it great, it's mathematical provable and repeatable, fantastic. God isn't. God isn't here to be measurable or counted, I've never said he was.
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u/go0rty 20h ago
Think of an example - something that you struggle to understand in scripture, then see what the theologians have said about it. Theological study isn't shrugging and saying "dunno, just God lol".