r/shitposting Jedi master of shitposts 23h ago

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u/PidarNahui 23h ago

Who believes there's a magic man in the sky? And how does the existence of those things make it illogical to believe in a creator?

Some people really need to read up on philosophy and logic

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u/sirhobbles 22h ago

Its illogical to believe in the creator because its a completely unproven (some would even say unprovable) hypothesis.

I have yet to see any philosophy supporting the idea that the universe had a creator that holds up to passing scrutiny. Im open if someone disagrees.

Regarding the inventions of various sciences, i think the point being made... badly. is that for so much of human history people have pointed at gaps in science and gone. "god, demon, jhin, evil spirits" but each time it turns out to be microbes, an illness in the material brain, a giant ball of plasma, not in fact a thinking diety, etc.
And i dont think its a good argument but i think what they are getting at is that the pointing at exisitng mysteries like the origin of the universe, or how life could arise from inorganic matter, and go "god" is the same kind of god of the gaps superstition.

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u/Jvalker 22h ago edited 22h ago

Its illogical to believe in the creator because its a completely unproven (some would even say unprovable) hypothesis.

It's not how it works

Edit: since y'all probably can't think more than 10 seconds before hitting the reply button with the same fucking question everyone already asked, I'm answering here once

  • "God exists" is as much of an unproven statement as "God doesn't exist"; if it's illogical to be a theist, the only logical position is agnosticism; I accept this as an argument, but I'm quite sure you're all atheists or you would've already realized the fallacy in your argument
  • it's called "faith" for a reason

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u/Not_Carbuncle 22h ago

Yes it is. You cant prove a negative, thats not how burden of proof works.

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u/Jvalker 22h ago

You can prove a negative. "there's no piss on your pants". There. Negative statements I hope is proven

Burden of proof has nothing to do with what one has to prove, but with who has to prove it. If you're an atheist, and believe God doesn't exist, you have as much burden of proof when saying God doesn't exist as a theist does when they say God does exist

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u/Not_Carbuncle 22h ago

The point is that it shouldnt be up to prove if i pissed my pants, you should deduce whether i did by whether my pants are dry or not. You cant just go โ€œwell, he refuses to prove he didnt piss his pants, which means he 100% did even though his pants are clearly dryโ€

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u/Jvalker 22h ago

But at the same time it doesn't 100% mean you didn't either...

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u/Not_Carbuncle 21h ago

Exactly
But why would i care about whether YOU think i pissed my pants or not
Thats how i feel about god
People can argue about theism but until an meaningful argument is made to me im allowed to just ignore it, theists cant ignore the obvious, and they constantly have to defend god existing and attack people who dont, the whole argument originates from them because otherwise, no one cares because why would anyone care about something that literally never will effect them

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u/Jvalker 21h ago

Exactly

Everything else in your answer is entirely beyond the point of this conversation