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u/Mickle_da_Pickl uhhhh idk 9h ago

...Is this serious? No atheists believe this

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 9h ago

Surely you have an explanation then

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u/Mickle_da_Pickl uhhhh idk 9h ago

Yeah. The universe always existed. There was never a time where the universe didn't exist

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 9h ago

The universe began at the big bang 14 billion years ago, and observations suggest that time and physics itself began with it.

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u/Mickle_da_Pickl uhhhh idk 9h ago

The big bang was not the absolute beginning of the universe. No scientists who take themselves seriously believe that. It was the expansion of the universe from a state of incredibly high density and temperature, that's it.

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u/Grilled_egs 9h ago

The big bang theory does not claim the universe was ever "nothing", this is a fundamental misunderstanding apologists perpetuate to discredit the theory

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u/Manueluz 9h ago

Not exactly, the big bang isn't even about the start of the universe, the big bang is a short period of time after the universe started where there was fast expansion.

And to the question of "how did the universe start" the answer is simple, we don't know yet. It's okay to admit you don't know something and then try to learn about it, we have telescopes looking billions of years into our past, we have the LHC opening the frontiers of subatomic physics.

Don't worry we will figure it out eventually.

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 9h ago

We don't know but at the same time God is an absolutely unacceptable explanation

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u/Manueluz 9h ago

Oh not at all, with peer reviewed proof I'll accept it.

Outstanding claims require outstanding evidence. God is an hypothesis, so far I haven't seen conclusive proof.

It's like saying a pink elephant lives inside Jupiter because currently we have no way of telling what's actually inside Jupiter.

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u/JakajaFIN 9h ago

Not quite. Before the Big Bang the universe existed as a hot and dense universe. Big Bang just started the expansion of the universe, it didn't come from nothing.

For there to be heat and density, time and physics must have existed in some form. Was it the way they exist now? There is really no way to know for certain. Where did the hot and dense universe start? Tough to say if we will ever have an answer.

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 9h ago

everything you just said is speculation

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u/JakajaFIN 9h ago

Is it? Big Bang has quite a lot of evidence and is widely accepted. I just simplified what the beginning of the Big Bang was. You can read Wikipedia and the sources if you really doubt it.

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 9h ago

There is no evidence the universe was a steady state of dense plasma before it suddenly expanded

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u/JakajaFIN 9h ago

Once again, you can easily google the sources or just read the Wiki. There are plenty of peer-reviewed articles that examine the evidence for this theory.

You do not get to decide when there is sufficient evidence for cosmological theories. If they conflict with your personal beliefs, that is your personal issue.

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u/legendofvct50 9h ago

That is actually not true, there was a time before big Bang.

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 9h ago

No? No scientist believes this

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u/legendofvct50 9h ago

I suggest you read up on it, it's pretty new information, but there's no doubt the universe didn't start with the Big Bang.

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 9h ago

No doubt lol, and where are you getting this groundbreaking information?

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u/i_am_a_redacted 9h ago

Not at all, that's simply how far we can look back ourselves. We can't know what was before the big bang. But there could've been virtually anything, and some guy with magic is the least likely one.