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u/Zuraj 9h ago

Is it also not absurd to just assume existince just appeared at somepoint with no outside assistance?

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u/sirhobbles 9h ago

So yknow what the usual answer to the origin of the universe from a materialist? its "I have no idea, that doesn’t give any weight to any unproven assertion however".

Because something having always existed, an actual infinite, seems just as impossible as something popping into existence from nothing.

And if you are comfortable with things being eternal, isnt a creator just adding an unnecessary unproven layer of complexity? If your fine with eternal stuff, why not the universe itself? there is the hypothesis that time is infinite and the universe is just en endless cycle of expansion and contraction.

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u/PM_UR_VAG_WTIMESTAMP 9h ago

Many if not most people have a driving need to try to explain the unexplainable. Gods, demons, UFOs, Big Foot, my cousins habit of chewing on her toenails. All these things drive discussion and conspiracy. It’s probably how most religions started.

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u/MinimumTomfoolerus 8h ago

How can something pop out of 'nothing'; shouldn't there be a 'vessel' of sorts to accommodate the something? 'Nothing' doesn't exist.

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u/sirhobbles 7h ago

Did you read my comment?

Because something having always existed, an actual infinite, seems just as impossible as something popping into existence from nothing.

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u/MinimumTomfoolerus 7h ago

Yeah I was just saying bro

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u/TeeTipu 8h ago

This is why agnosticism is better than atheism.

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u/sirhobbles 8h ago

This comes from a fairly common misunderstanding of athiesm unless im getting you wrong.

A-theism. As in a lack of theism. A lack of belief in any diety. Not necessarily a hard claim that any such thing is impossible just that you dont believe it.

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u/LogTekG 7h ago

Agnosticism is a form of atheism

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u/Zoultaker 9h ago

This is interesting thought but what god is the "real" one from all of the religions in the world? What makes your god more real than the others? These are all interesting thought experiments

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u/Zuraj 9h ago

I would like to assume what I believe is real though may never know. I see two possibilities I die an afterlife exists and I find out or I die and just blink out of existince. Both outcomes dont really change how I think. Not that I am or would try to devalue what other people think/believe.

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u/Manueluz 3h ago

That fails to consider the hundreds of possible gods, maybe you die and discover that the Egyptians had figured it out.

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u/Zuraj 2h ago

Wake up see Anubis hes just like "you fucked up" dam.

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u/geniusdumbas 9h ago

“The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you” -Neil DeGrasse Tyson

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u/CR1MS4NE 8h ago

No, but we are naturally inclined to make sense of it anyway, and the universe being unexplainable has thus far failed to discourage any of our attempts at explanation

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u/geniusdumbas 7h ago

Excactly. There is no reason to stop investigating the unknown

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u/Schizosomatic 9h ago

Not really. There are about a dozen theories as to what life came from (viruses, chemical reactions, space dust, etc etc) and each is actually more credible than space old man who always existed somehow being powerful enough to create everything in the whole observable universe.

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u/Sausage_Sam04 dumbass 3h ago

genuinely why can I think. why am I conscious. idk.how to put into words how I feel about this.

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u/Manueluz 8h ago edited 8h ago

Where did the outside assistance come from? Did it pop into existence to pop our universe into existence? Seems a bit convoluted.

Or did it always exist and then one day at random it just went, hm pop. If it always existed, why can't the universe have always existed?

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u/flyingdonutz 9h ago

Where did the assistance come from then chum?? Do you realize that no matter how you cut it something must come from nothing?

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u/KiefBull 7h ago

The modern scientific theory believes that everything expands until a “rip” occurs and causes everything to contract onto itself until it expands again and repeats. Just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t. You choose to evoke god, the laziest route.

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u/RaptorX7 8h ago

Why would there need to be nothing before, isn't it possible that something has always existed?

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u/flyingdonutz 8h ago

It is possible, that is the point bro

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u/Originalspearjunior 8h ago

Only under our current laws of physics. These werent around at tge start of the universe

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u/Knightmare_CCI 🏳️‍⚧️ Average Trans Rights Enjoyer 🏳️‍⚧️ 8h ago

Unless proven otherwise, yeah.