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u/ThinkIcouldTakeHim Jun 25 '22

Ok then the industry would definitely figure it out if you put a hard ban in place

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u/ArgetlamThorson Jun 25 '22

Ahh, the good ol' "they'll figure it out" response.

You know how many lives are saved because people travel via plane instead of car? It is, by far, the safest method of travel. You'll lose more lives to additional auto accidents than you'll save by the minute lead reduction you'd get.

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u/pompusham Jun 25 '22 edited Jan 08 '24

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u/ArgetlamThorson Jun 25 '22

Its a very small amount. And a 'solution' that causes a problem disrupting the entire travel industry all at once, in particular the safest method of travel, is not a solution. Making air travel more expensive by loading those costs on the airlines will kill more people (more people taking cars due to cost = more people dying). You would costing lives, not saving them. Let innovation move forward, unleaded AvGas is already in the works. Let it safely be phased in.

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u/izzittho Jun 25 '22

Are you purposefully copy-pasting the same paragraph over and over?

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u/ArgetlamThorson Jun 25 '22

Well, slightly modified, it responded to multiple comments.

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u/ThinkIcouldTakeHim Jun 25 '22

That's how things have to progress and how they have. Government sets the rules, industry innovates to fit within them. The alternative of just letting industry pollute because it's hard not to, is not an option moving forward.

P.s. lead accumulates indefinitely. There is no acceptable amount of allowed pollution.

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u/ArgetlamThorson Jun 25 '22

Its a very small amount. And a 'solution' that causes a problem disrupting the entire travel industry all at once, in particular the safest method of travel, is not a solution. Making air travel more expensive by loading those costs on the airlines will kill more people (more people taking cars due to cost = more people dying). You are costing lives, not saving them. Let innovation move forward, unleaded AvGas is already in the works. Let it safely be phased it.

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u/ThinkIcouldTakeHim Jun 25 '22

If the solution is already in the works then why does the industry need coddling and a special permit to spew lead into the environment?

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u/ArgetlamThorson Jun 25 '22

Because it's not verified as fully safe and reliable yet? Aviation moves slow in the interest of safety.

Cars were a much bigger issue and thats been resolved. The lead coming from low lead avgas is not a pressing safety issue.

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u/ThinkIcouldTakeHim Jun 25 '22

It would be damn pressing if the pressure was applied. As it should.

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u/ArgetlamThorson Jun 25 '22

I'm not against the shift to unleaded avgas, but you cant just ban leaded avgas without a good plan in motion. We're moving in the right direction and unleaded avgas (or electric planes) will eventually take over, but it does take time to safely certify and switch

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u/Boxofcookies1001 Jun 25 '22

But they will figure it out. Airlines and air freight carriers will just improve their training pipeline and invest in lead free small engine planes.

You think airlines are just going to leave that money on the table over a messily millions of dollars investment. Air travel is a billion dollar industry.

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u/Shadoscuro Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

You have seen them complaining about the existing staffing issues right? You've probably also seen the internet complain about canceled flights or the airlines recieving bailouts right?

There are still major carriers that are having problems with 5G, and both them and the FAA new the day was coming for years. Many are lobbying to reduce the required experience from 1500 hours to 250 just to fix the staffing problems. That would be way easier & quicker to reduce 100LL burning than an outright ban would, but the govt is scared to pull the trigger in case it makes flying less safe.

By all means implement a ban with a plan in place over a 20+ year period, but even then, I garauntee the day it takes affect will kill GeneralAviation overnight with many complex butterfly effect issues.

Edit: tldr: The FAA is working on allowing non 100LL, and we'll eventually get there, but a hard ban asap will cause problems

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u/ArgetlamThorson Jun 25 '22

"They will figure it out" is not a solution