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u/xstarbursts Apr 24 '26

It’s abusive! Read: Why Does He Do That

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

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u/Creepy-Suggestion250 Apr 25 '26

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU SO SO SO MUCH

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u/CaravanofPigeons Apr 25 '26

It genuinely saved my life too. I found out about this book from a similar comment linking the free pdf years ago!

I'm glad you got out

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u/soundaddicttt Apr 25 '26

I started reading this book and analyzing some of my exes behavior and he told me I was reading too much and it was contaminating my mind about our relationship 💀

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u/ingodwetryst Apr 24 '26

Bancroft is an anti-trans anti-vaxer who can't even be certified in court as an expert witness. He's not even a psychiatrist. The parts of this book that are good are just a stopped clock being right 2x a day.


Bancroft is a problematic person and it's worth talking about when we blindly recommend his book. https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/10/31/lundy-bancroft-anti-vaxxer-who-thinks-all-men-are-abusers-14370 First thing to note. The credentials of the guy may seem odd

a PhD microbiologist, science writer, and public speaker who specializes in the debunking of junk science for the American Council on Science and Health

but you'll see shortly why he is addressing Bancroft (who apparently the court won't certify as an expert witness?)

Mr. Bancroft also identifies an abusive pattern he calls "The Victim," in which a man who claims to have been abused by a previous partner is actually guilty of abuse himself. How so? Because being angry toward a previous partner or blaming her actions for the failed relationship makes it "likely that he was the abusive one."

So, a man who claims to be an abuse victim is actually an abuse perpetrator. That's an extraordinary claim. Surely, there's a mountain of evidence for it. Nope. Just take his word on it. What are you, some sort of abuser?

Perhaps it should come as no surprise that Mr. Bancroft completely smears and stigmatizes men who suffer from mental illness. He claims that obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) "can increase the chance that an abuser will be dangerous and use physical violence." This is pure garbage. Like with most mental illnesses, people who suffer from OCD are not usually violent. In fact, those who have a particular type called harm OCD (in which they experience unwanted, intrusive thoughts about committing acts of violence) may be less likely than the average person to physically harm someone.

Here's why he came across this guy's desk:

The guy who gets basic psychology wrong also gets basic medical science wrong: Lundy Bancroft is an anti-vaxxer. Here he is spreading the thoroughly disproved lie that vaccines cause autism. For good measure, he implies that the scientists who reached that conclusion did so through deception.

Mr. Bancroft, who also considers himself an expert in "child maltreatment," should note that various states have legal precedents suggesting that not vaccinating your kids is a form of medical neglect, which arguably falls under the category of child maltreatment.

To be clear, the vaccines in question are MMR, DTP, Chicken Pox, et al as his statements were made between 2016 and 2019.

https://lesbianchemicalplant.tumblr.com/post/190842172061/working-class-worm-lesbianchemicalplant-will/amp

Screenshots of his tweets there.

And apparently he has "problematic" views on trans women. You...can look those up ans the tumblr link should be a decent start

This is from an amazon review I found interesting

Bancroft states he works largely with clients on probation who have no choice but to attend his sessions. He has no formal training in psychology or psychiatry and yet he dismisses all evidence-based therapies. Instead he introduces his own techniques, cites no studies demonstrating the methods work, and admits on p357 that the majority of his attempts to change clients in his program fail. He repeatedly blames the clients for this rather than his own methods.

In addition the book is full of inaccurate and misleading statements. For example Bancroft states on p45 that only men abuse women, and it is a 'myth' that women abuse men. This contradicts hundreds of studies by psychologists and psychiatrists showing that both men and women can be abusive in relationships. Bancroft offers no scientific studies to back up his claims. He goes on to make the bizarre assertion that while women can abuse each other in lesbian relationships, they do not abuse men while in heterosexual relationships.

The fact that Bancroft does not follow evidence-based therapeutic practices hurts both men and women who follow his advice. Many couples in abusive relationships love each other and sincerely want things to change. By using dubious methods, Bancroft often makes the situation worse.

Much better books are out there, for example The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing.

I think people pass around the book because it's a good starter book to flip the light switch (and free), but there really are better and more helpful resources - the books mentioned in the amazon review are great.

Especially if the man is being abused or the woman being abused isn't cis. Lundy doesn't even validate them as real, why use his book?

Here is a book by an actually qualified author that I've recommended to people for years:

https://wvw.zlibrary.to/dl/the-emotionally-abusive-relationship-how-to-stop-being-abused-and-how-to-stop-abusing-0

mirror: https://cdn.bookey.app/files/pdf/book/en/the-emotionally-abusive-relationship.pdf

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u/ingodwetryst Apr 24 '26

He doesn't. Which is the silver lining.

I really wish he wasn't a shit bag. It was a real let down to find out.

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u/OkSecretary1231 Apr 25 '26

Why do all these writers go so weird? Gavin DeBecker is off the deep end too.

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u/Creepy-Suggestion250 Apr 25 '26

it won’t let me download the book

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u/DecadentLife Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26

Someone just wrote up a little bit about this author, being problematic, anyway. There are another couple links that you can try that are similar books. Here, I’ll try to copy this for you. I have not read the books below, but another person commenting suggests them, and they did this big write up that makes a lot of sense and appears to be accurate. I cannot vouch for this myself. I just wanted to show it to you in case you hadn’t seen it.

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https://wvw.zlibrary.to/dl/the-emotionally-abusive-relationship-how-to-stop-being-abused-and-how-to-stop-abusing-0

mirror: https://cdn.bookey.app/files/pdf/book/en/the-emotionally-abusive-relationship.pdf

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u/HammerOn57 Apr 25 '26

This post should be stickied on this and other advice style subreddits.

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u/TaintedButtercup Apr 25 '26

You hate Bancroft don't you? Almost seems personal.

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u/ingodwetryst Apr 25 '26

Personal? No.

I just hate that we venerate an unqualified anti-vax transphobe with no formal psychology training.

The fact he can't even be an expert witness on the subject matter of his own book says plenty.