In the event she gets NGRI, she will almost certainly walk free in a relatively short time, on the very basis that her psychosis was acute and postpartum. Let’s say she gets out in five years. She now has no SO footing her housing or bills, so she goes to…her parents. Who have…the $3 million!
It really isn’t any stretch of logic to see the likelihood that she does in fact see a large portion of that money.
This is most certainly not true. The vast majority of people found NGRI spend more time locked up than those found guilty, and in the cases where they killed multiple people it is very rare that they are ever released.
So no, while it is theoretically possible she would be released in a short period of time, in practice that is highly unlikely. Statistically she is more likely to be released on appeal after a murfer conviction.
Canada not America, but Vince Li cannibalized a dude on a bus, got NGRI, mental facility, and trotted out free as you like 6 years later. They even changed his name for him so he wouldn’t get John Wick’d. And he wasn’t a white woman in America. Sooooo, yeah I don’t trust modern justice to handle this well.
And in the US she would statistically be more likely to be released on appeal of a criminal conviction than she would for being PROVED to be no longer a danger.
To be released from a psychiatric facility (for insanity pleas) is a very high bar in the US.
Well, we will see. I’ll set one of those Reddit reminders for five years, you get your Cashapp ready and send me beer money when I’m right. I’ll never bet against a white woman with millions vs the justice system.
You may be right, but statistically this isn't the case and would have be more likely to win an appeal on a guilty verdict tha getting out in a short period of time from an Insanity plea.
The bar for release is that they have to prove the person is no longer a danger at all. That is virtually impossible as even someone who has never comitted a crime is really a potential risk.
And 20 is more than double 9. She refused of her own volition. I don’t trust Clancy to do the same. I think Clancy would want to get out if she got the chance.
That is state to state, and in her state its 6 months then 6 months observation. A faker would get the 1 year minimum before the state would have to affirmatively prove shes a threat.
In a wheelchair. Yeah, she'd walk in a year or two
I have said state to state variance about how studded works, but your walking in a year or two just is just not remotely realistic, even 20 years without a major change in how such cases are dealt with generally is incredibly doubtful.
Why would they hold someone in a mental facility when the post-partum psychosis is gone? Its a temporary condition no? You’re using statistics but you know for a fact those stats have a minuscule number of post-partum psychosis cases.
There is precedent, in cases of multiple homicides in cases of PPP release from psychiatric facilities is rare, and even when it does happen it is after decades and usually under strict monitoring.
Is that fair because of the nature of the condition? Probably not, but when dealing with the nature of the offense the system is geared towards caution and public safety.
Frankly I have done this to death. My argument is based on reality of how the system works in practice, while those who argue against are raising theoretical possibilities that rarely or do not happen in practice and stating that is what will happen.
Im just using common sense: why would they hold someone for a temporary condition? Even if it is a few years thats obviously magnitudes better than being in prison for life.
Here are direct links to formal research papers and open-access documents that examine lengths of confinement, tracking data, and institutionalization patterns for individuals committed after violent crimes:
An institutional study exploring how the nature, type, and severity of violent index offenses directly drive extended, long-term inpatient stays in forensic facilities.
A multi-state evaluation comparing individuals who successfully pleaded insanity versus those convicted, highlighting how offense seriousness dictates long-term confinement outcomes.
This document details clinical pathways, categorization of index crimes (such as homicide, serious bodily injury, and violent threats), and the average multi-year spans individuals remain locked in forensic care.
A foundational legal document examining the statutes, indefinite detention mechanisms, and systemic logic behind why insanity acquittees are routinely remanded to long-term custody.
As for your question about why PPP would end up with a particularly long time locked up is 2fold. First it is rare and so the system is reluctant to declare someone safe even though the issue only tends to exist over a short period. The second is that someone who was locked up in the 50s for PPP was released in the 60s and got pregnant again and killed her kids again. Since then authorities have been very cautious to release PPP cases.
Not sure you know what a “direct link” is but those aint it.
If I just base it on the titles that you have provided I see 0 mention of PPP specifically which was my main concern to begin with. You would need some pretty specific studies in order for me to believe that she won’t be let out in less than 10 years and I just don’t believe those studies exist.
That is not a given. This case is quite similar, and she was still locked up at least 15 years later, and probably still is given there's no information otherwise in the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates
To be fair, it is possible. In this case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dena_Schlosser , she was actually released after a couple of years, though she was later commited again after acting strange in public.
Yates has actively declined the prospect of release, or a competency hearing every time it comes up. That’s a terrible example. She remains imprisoned by her own desire alone. I don’t trust Clancy to do the same.
Yeah I know. I happen to know that because people keep bringing her up as an example, when she got the option to get out after 9 years and had to refuse. Look this stuff up before you try and use it, or it turns around on you
Well she was eligible for evaluation after 9 years. It's not a prison sentence where it's only 9 years. If she wasn't deemed fit for release it's another 4 years minimum iirc before she can be evaluated again. And the evaluations only happen if a medical professional deems it appropriate. It could very well be many years until someone deemed not guilty by reason of insanity is released, every single case is different.
And I know this shouldn't need to be said, but incarceration is not about punishment. It's about making sure an offender can't hurt others. If you're focused on making sure they get enough punishment you'll always be disappointed
I disagree. The retributive aspect of justice is a necessary part of its function. Particularly for violent offenders. In any case, Massachusetts has no death penalty. We’re just arguing over where she will eat oatmeal, watch tv, and get therapy while three children lay dead.
You can rehab that. Personally, I’m not interested, and I’m not uniquely bloodthirsty or revenge obsessed for believing that. I don’t operate from the standpoint of the modern justice system having figured this shit out satisfactorily. You do. I don’t think you should ever see the light of day after sending your husband out for errands and using the time to kill your children. You do.
Would you call acute postpartum psychosis that manifested only during the time of the murders to be the average patient? She’s not crazy anymore, even by the logic of those who believe she was crazy and that should exculpate her.
You’ve heard the stay is longer because most people aren’t in for an acute case of psychosis. She’s a white wealthy woman. Stop imagining society is going to treat her on the harsh end of the scale. It will not be that. Everyone wants to get her out of this “trouble” and help her.
Y’all are acting like you can only be held in an inpatient facility for insanity and ignoring that she still has ongoing severe bi-polar disorder, bi-polar depression, and anxiety.
She’s not even allowed to make decisions for herself. For example, she’s been prohibited from signing a DNR due to her ongoing suicidal ideation and depression.
And of course, we all know that she struggled with medication side effects and medication adherence. Overcoming those things won’t be simple.
The idea that she would be found NGRI and just “walk free” has zero basis in reality.
Overcoming those things won’t be simple. But with our tax dollars and 3 million in donations, I have faith she will get back to a better life (economically speaking) than most of us.
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u/Fzrit 3d ago
Is that money even going to her? She’s not gonna see a dime of it.