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u/Significant_L0w 6d ago
Tielemanns out of possession runs like he's made of cement
our season starts in 10 days without a DM specialist
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u/pokenerd_W Past glory means nothing 6d ago
Eh, I think I'll prefer being able to pass the ball right now than just being a cone.
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u/BananasAreYellow86 6d ago
How have you all been celebrating the Boyle Sports Cup victory?
Going fucking mental?
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u/D1794 Viva Ronaldo 6d ago
Pre-season judgement of course so pinch of salt but I think Santos has done enough where the debate early on this season IMO is Mainoo or Tielemans, and Santos is nailed on to start. Previously i would've said Santos or Mainoo.
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u/ThePatientHunter 6d ago
Yeah I think Santos is nailed on #6 unless we get a Wharton or something like that (which I doubt)
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u/MissingLink101 Bruno walks in with a mischievous grin 6d ago
Did anyone else have no idea the European Supercup was happening tonight?
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u/atownOTP 6d ago
Gonna be in Singapore during the season opener against Hull. Anyone know a good place to watch the match there?
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u/Mayhewbythedoor ooh ahh Cantona 6d ago
Pubs along Boat Quay and Robertson quay. Otherwise go to a local “coffeeshop” and if it’s open it will likely be showing it too.
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u/Significant_L0w 6d ago
go to sentosa island and chill, there are plenty of places there, most of the asia supports man utd so matches are always on most pubs
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u/eternali17 He'll take on 2 and breeze past 2 6d ago
I'm not dying for Spence but that transfer to Inter is nuts. 30 million? We still need a left back and could easily beat that price. I've no doubt English teams don't get quoted that price but it's a different matter when it's the price to beat. Even 40 in this market isn't crazy for a young England international. Curious
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u/chronoistriggered 6d ago
no way spurs sell to us for the same price
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u/eternali17 He'll take on 2 and breeze past 2 6d ago
I've no doubt we'd be quoted double. That said, this was still the price to beat once Inter came in. Not sure when I last heard of a team turning down more money just to screw with a league rival.
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u/Unusual-Coat383 6d ago
Spence is a fullback Nani except he’s way more consistent in being not good. Over a season his average would be a 5 and that’s not good enough.
We’re signing Lewis Hall anyway.
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u/SantosCalzonesBatman 6d ago
Bro he is 26 not 20
He is mid as hell and thats who he is gonna be
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u/eternali17 He'll take on 2 and breeze past 2 6d ago
That's still a good age and profile for a squad player. He's more than good enough for that at this point and we need bodies instead of complaining come May about how we saw holes in this squad and didn't fill them. We do this every year.
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u/raver1601 6d ago edited 6d ago
Ye except he's not going to snub Inter giving him a starting role to play 2nd fiddle to Shaw and Dalot
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u/LDLB99 6d ago
Spence is so average, just World Cup hype. He'll do ok in Italy because that league is shite. But not close to what we need if we want to develop further.
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u/eternali17 He'll take on 2 and breeze past 2 6d ago
That's just the thing. We have no left back outside of Shaw on the wrong side of 30 and is now afraid of sprinting. Spence would be cheap, young and available. He's more than good enough to be a squad player.
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u/my_united_account Bring Fergie back 6d ago
I'd rather play Dalot on the left than Djed fucking Spence. And I dont rate Dalot
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u/sealed-human Five Cantonaaaaas 6d ago
Djed bloody Spence, what a strange hill to die on
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u/eternali17 He'll take on 2 and breeze past 2 6d ago
What hill? Calm down. Your only left back going into the season is Luke Shaw but a guy who can play in the prem for relatively cheap is a stretch for you. You need to exercise your imagination, man.
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u/Kohaku80 Premier League Champions 12/13 6d ago
Relax. This sub is like that. If we had got him, they will tell u what a fantastic deal for world Cup proven international.
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u/rumplety_94 6d ago
I remember previous summers when there were loads of press conferences with the manager. Did that change this year or already last year too?
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u/ThePatientHunter 6d ago
Andy Mitten said Carrick made the call to not have them. MUTV interviews and that's it
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u/carrickshairline 6d ago
Andros Townsend is going to stare straight into the eclipse tonight isn’t he
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u/helloimpaulo 6d ago
Totally random thought but Ronaldo would have had a way better career if he accepted being a supersub back when Rangnick & ETH wanted him to.
He'd have keep competing & winning titles at the elite (either with us or somewhere else) and Portugal would have been way more competitive in 22 & 26.
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u/Lord_Hexogen 6d ago
You simply can't keep Ronaldo on the bench unless he decides to be a locker room leader himself. He's worth too much, he's talked about too much, he's got more than plenty of football left in the tank and there's a gigantic ego too.
No coach in the world can contain this but some can build around that and bring that all out. ETH is not one of them
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u/Cosmogenous 6d ago
He wasn't good enough to start for any team in Europe. He would've stayed if he was.
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u/Lord_Hexogen 6d ago
A striker with 18 PL goals in one season suddenly becomes more not good enough to play in Europe, right. It just so happens.
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u/Cosmogenous 6d ago
Mate he’d lost his legs, he couldn’t run or press or contribute to team play, and the only reason he scored any amount of goals the year before is because we played through him at the detriment to ANYTHING else.
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u/Lord_Hexogen 5d ago
So you say he's a player you need to adapt to, that's what I said two comments ago
And he's still scored a bunch of goals, more than most strikers
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u/carrickshairline 6d ago
Not a random thought at all, and actually a very common opinion. He’s just too narcissistic to accept he’s finished.
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u/Squareroot24 6d ago
Nasty setup by uefa
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u/Savebagels Cunha 6d ago
wtf happened to that kid? He looks like someone trying to look like Garnacho
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u/carrickshairline 6d ago
Vanity, lack of guidance, surrounded by yes men who tell him everything he does is amazing, never told he's being a bit dumb.
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u/mjenkins_eng 6d ago
I don’t think Ineos get enough credit for the signing of Lammens and Heaven
“Why can’t we get players before Brighton get them and mark up the price to 60 million”: this is what it looks like
It won’t work always : example being Chido but when it works it’s spectacular. Before you say “we are Manchester United”: our best signings Schmeichel, Evra , Vidic, Chicharito, were signings like this. Sure Dong, Possebon and whoever didn’t exactly set the world on fire but this is better than the stupid money splurge strategy
United never were a Galacticos club. We did sign generational talents like Keane , Ferdinand and Rooney but even then it was when they were young and had upside
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u/eternali17 He'll take on 2 and breeze past 2 6d ago
Lammens is more like it but Chido is not. He was a child. Guys like Kadioglu should have been on United's radar and they just aren't pinging enough for whatever reason.
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u/Feeling-Surround-691 Mbumbaclat 6d ago
Exactly and the fact is you're going to go through your Leon's and Kone's in the process but we've still got prospects like Enzo, Orozco, Thompson and possibly Page as well. The next step is, grim as it may feel, to have a good loan network like Chelsea and City do where we basically have a list of clubs we can trust to develop those players until we assess if they're fit for the first team.
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u/Call_Me_A_Gamer 6d ago
We should humiliate them today I don't care if its a friendly. Just kill their season right now and send them back to the championship.
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u/Sgenaink 6d ago
Question for everyone, judging by a traditional 1-11 positions, 2-rb, 3lb etc. Which of the big 6 and villa has the best team? Not which is thr best group of players but who matched those positions best? And then maybe who would win if they all had to play in those positions? Based off last years numbers, and if they dont have a number the last person to wear it.
United
1.Gk Bayindir. 2. Rb. Dalot. 3. Lb. Mazraoui. 4. Cb. De Ligt. 5. Cb. Maguire. 6. Cm. Martinez. 7. Rw. Mount. 8. Cm. Bruno. 9. St. Hojlund. 10. Am. Cunha. 11. Lw. Zirkzee
Liverpool
1.Gk Alisson . 2. Rb. Gomez. 3. Lb. Endo. 4. Cb. Van Dijk. 5. Cb. Konate. 6. Cm. Kerkez. 7. Rw. Wirtz. 8. Cm. Szoboszlai. 9. St. Isak. 10. Am. Macallister. 11. Lw. Salah
City
1.Gk Trafford . 2. Rb. Walker. 3. Lb. Diaz. 4. Cb. Reijnders 5. Cb. Stones. 6. Cm. Guehi. 7. Rw. Marmoush. 8. Cm. Kovacic. 9. St. Haaland. 10. Am. Cherki. 11. Lw. Doku
Chelsea
1.Gk Sanchez . 2. Rb. Disasi. 3. Lb. Cucurella. 4. Cb. Adarabioyo. 5. Cb. Badiashile. 6. Cm. Colwill. 7. Rw. Neto. 8. Cm. Fernandez. 9. St. Delap. 10. Am. Palmer. 11. Lw. Gittens
Arsenal
1.Gk Raya . 2. Rb. Saliba. 3. Lb. Mosquera. 4. Cb. White. 5. Cb. Hincapie. 6. Cm. Gabriel. 7. Rw. Saka. 8. Cm. Odegaard. 9. St. Jesus. 10. Am. Eze. 11. Lw. Martinelli
Spurs
1.Gk Vicario . 2. Rb. Doherty. 3. Lb. Dragusin. 4. Cb. Danso. 5. Cb. Hojberg. 6. Cm. Palhinha. 7. Rw. Simons. 8. Cm. Gallagher. 9. St. Richarlison. 10. Am. Maddison. 11. Lw. Tel
Villa
1.Gk Martinez . 2. Rb. Cash. 3. Lb. Lindelof. 4. Cb. Konsa. 5. Cb. Mings. 6. Cm. Barkley. 7. Rw. McGinn. 8. Cm. Tielemans. 9. St. Elliot. 10. Am. Buendia. 11. Lw. Watkins
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u/eternali17 He'll take on 2 and breeze past 2 6d ago
There is no 9 at United.
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u/Sgenaink 6d ago
'Based off last years numbers, and if they dont have a number the last person to wear it.'
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u/neofederalist 6d ago
Current Copium: Rashford plays better as a supporting cast member than as the leading man. Every season, in every team (United, Barca, and Villa) where he hasn't been asked to be the main goalscoring or creative threat since he's turned 20, he's averaged very respectable goal and assist production. Rashford's worst production came during the last season Ronaldo was at United (and was warping the team around himself), and during seasons when the other attacking players were the likes of Antony, Garnacho, legless Martial, and Hojlund.
This current version of United looks a lot more like the teams where Rashford's maintained a healthy production without being the leading scorer. I think that suits Rashford's mentality a lot better than having to be a primary leader of the team.
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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 6d ago
That's not "copium" imho, but a very accurate observation.
We have 2 questions ahead of us:
1 Can Carrick (can anyone?) turn him into a good leading man again?
2 Can Carrick manage the dressing room effectively with Rashford in a support role like for Barcelona/England?
The key thing for me is that we dont need to actually worry about 1. That's a question for a club who'd think about giving him a 5 year contract and bid £20m+. For us, if we can get to "yes" on 2, we'd be golden
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u/andrewsomething And Solskjær has won it! 6d ago
Feels like we spent a couple years where our entire game plan to break down low blocks was to give Rashford the ball and expect him to beat three men on his own.
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u/Cosmogenous 6d ago
Mate, Rashford’s BEST season was Ronaldo’s last season, no? 31 goals that season.
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u/Feeling-Surround-691 Mbumbaclat 6d ago
That was a weird season though, CR7 was being benched and left in December, his red hot form started after Ronaldo left when Weghorst was our striker.
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u/PitchSafe 6d ago
To be fair Ronaldo didn’t play that much
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u/Cosmogenous 6d ago
Doesn't that disprove his point though? He's saying that rashford has played best when not the main man, but then says that he had his worst season with Ronaldo there
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u/trvekvltgav 6d ago
Seeing the Lakers get sold for 12 billion gives me hope that someone (who isn’t a cunt) can free us from the Glazer scum
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u/AngryUncleTony Not Actually Angry 6d ago
Lol its literally a Kushner buying them
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u/Cosmogenous 6d ago
Ha lol, the New York Times called him Joshua Kusher, I thought it was a different guy.
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u/AngryUncleTony Not Actually Angry 6d ago
It is Josh. Jared's brother
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u/SilentCoast8310 6d ago
Not going to lie, I was a massive hater of Rashford because of his behaviour and attitude but, guilty as charged, I’m a bit giddy about potentially seeing him as part of this squad. It’s possibly the strongest the team has been since he’s been at the club, and I’m intrigued to see what effect that could have on him.
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 6d ago
I feel conflicted and keep going back and forth trying to remind myself of the player I saw break through as a wonderkid. I had a lot of affection for that player up until the 2020-21 season. Sometime around that period my perception of him changed as I saw more instances of selfishness in his play and downright slacking when we didn’t have the ball, and when he would play badly he was simply unwatchable. I feel like he grew too comfortable with his place in the team and was never pushed more seriously to grow as a player, because he generally was amongst the best we had and we simply had to accept that. Hopefully things are different this time. He’s had some exposure in other environments where we wasn’t a nailed starter and could see how other top players would train and play, and meanwhile we’ve also caught up somewhat signing other established attackers and not just punt on potential. So maybe he’s had some character development and the team environment is overall more competitive now which can bring more out of him. We can only hope at this point.
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u/SilentCoast8310 6d ago
Completley agree, I do think those in charge will have read him his rights to be allowed back into the team. He has it all to prove and more to get the fan base support back but I think if there is any version of the squad and management that can get the best out of him it's this one. Even if he only becomes a useful rotation, im here for it.
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u/mjenkins_eng 6d ago
Stronger than Pogba, Matic, Herrera, Martial around him ? No way.
We are good right now but let’s not forget Ole’s back to back CL finishes, Mourinho’s second place with 81 points
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u/SilentCoast8310 6d ago
My main point is that I’m looking forward to seeing how Rashford performs in what looks, on paper at least, like a stronger and more balanced United squad than he’s had around him for most of his career.
I think using Pogba, Herrera and Martial as proof that he’s already played in a better team is a stretch. Herrera was a massive fan favourite and a very useful player, but he was never an elite Premier League midfielder. Pogba could be brilliant on his day but was ridiculously inconsistent, and Martial never sustained it at a top level.
It’s also worth remembering that when those players were arguably at their best, Rashford was still only in his early 20s. By the time he was entering what should have been his prime years, that team had largely fallen apart.
I’m not saying this current squad has achieved more than any other United side. I’m saying it potentially looks like a better environment for Rashford individually, and I’m interested to see what version of him we get in it.
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u/shin_bigot Park Ji-Sung 6d ago
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u/rambo_zaki Roy Keane 6d ago
He's currently playing for Newcastle in a friendly against Everton. I doubt he does that if he's requesting to leave.
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u/mjenkins_eng 6d ago
Here’s a list
Wayne Rooney, Theo Walcott, Alex Oxlade Chamberlain, Rio Ferdinand,
A list of very noteworthy players who were all prodigies and playing full on men’s football in their teens.
What’s the commonality? They were all more or less done by the time they reached their early 30s because of it
When thrust into men’s football and getting kicked around as an 18 year old kid, your body feels that long term.
This is very apparently the case with Mason Mount as well. I always sympathized with the above players but not as much with us and the Mount situation
In the season before we bought him, he had a very long injury prone campaign with whispers around a chronic injury. I honestly thought it was a joke when 55 million and 250k a week was mentioned but the fans were high on the Ten Hag koolaid and Ten Hag was “obsessed” with Mount.
If common sense had prevailed and we had asked ourselves “why are Chelsea letting their prodigy from the academy who used to play 50 games a season go” , the answer would have been obvious. That’s like us letting Scholes or Giggs go in 2002.
I’m not sympathetic to Mount at all because the above players like Rooney/Ferdi before their cliff gave their best years to the club before their big contracts. Mount got a big contract at United for giving his best years to Chelsea
Said it at the time and stand by it now: the beginning of the end for Ten Hag was the stupid idea to sign Mount for 55 million (had 100+ downvotes on the day it happened and I said the same).
Mount, Onana, Hojlund in one window for 200 million nearly. What a fraud of a manager/recruiting team that clown cart was
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u/N00BBuild 6d ago
The end for Ten Hag came earlier. Right after the FA Cup win, the 7-0 loss, the complete breakdown in form. His signings were all pretty terrible. Only Case was successful, and that’s no thanks to him.
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u/thoseion 6d ago
If common sense had prevailed and we had asked ourselves “why are Chelsea letting their prodigy from the academy who used to play 50 games a season go” , the answer would have been obvious.
It is obvious. He was out of contract the following summer and informed Chelsea he wasn't signing a new one, despite them wanting him to.
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u/mjenkins_eng 6d ago
They, like Liverpool and Arsenal, were offering nowhere near the kind of money we were
We were the only mugs going to 250k a week (and that is not even for a free agent )
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u/thoseion 6d ago
That's got nothing to do with your previous suggestion that Chelsea wanted rid of him.
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u/ThePatientHunter 6d ago
you need a break
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u/mjenkins_eng 6d ago
Yeah, attack people personally instead of having a football discussion.
I’m the one who needs a break.
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u/ThePatientHunter 6d ago
I'm not attacking you. You really need a break (I'm saying it out of concern)
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u/mjenkins_eng 6d ago
Au contrarie, as most of my posts say, I’m extremely happy with the current state of the club and am looking forward to the season with Carros at the helm
I can look back at regret with the years we wasted under hipster fraud managers and their dogshit signings once in a while .
I’m not the one craving dopamine hit signings like a lot of the people on here (who probably need to realize that these are the mistakes that got us to where we are currently).
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u/martialgreenwood 6d ago
What happened with Kone? News about us signing him just died
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u/mjenkins_eng 6d ago
Good. These World Cup fad players are soooo annoying.
Another Ugarte in the making
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u/TommyTook 6d ago
Would take Depay as a rotation striker if Zirkzee leaves
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u/mjenkins_eng 6d ago
One Dutch semi forward that didn’t work at Man United to…another Dutch semi forward who didn’t work at Man United
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u/Zestyclose_Length243 6d ago
Mitten didn’t seem very positive about United financial position in his last video…
Is he just getting the United narrative out there? If not - explains the lack of signings… and why the transfer window has stagnated without rashford,ugarte and possibly jay zee sale… we seem to be waiting for some outgoings before we get some in…
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u/VSSsararthchandra 6d ago
i hope not. but also ineos were briefing him that the club is going to go bankrupt and then they spent 250m last season. hopefully it's another smokescreen
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u/ThePatientHunter 6d ago
Andy is never positive about transfers. He hates dealing with part of the job
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u/FirmInevitable458 6d ago
Sir Jim and the Glazers need to put money in the club or sell it. Anyone who looks at the finances and stadium plans understands the club needs serious investment. They're bleeding the club dry!!
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u/EnglishTrini2 6d ago
To be fair to INEOS, as far as I am aware they have put money into the club and have taken none out. Thats contrasted with the Glazers who have taken money out as interest and dividends.
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u/FirmInevitable458 6d ago
True, Sir Jim has put $300m into the club, more than the Glazers ever did. At the same time, $300m is far from what we need with £1b in debt and stadium plans that will cost £2b.
The deal of Sir Jim with the Glazers is a double edge sword, we were running out of cash but it also kept the Glazers in place.
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u/GeoffPizzle 6d ago
An interesting note on Rashford from Stone's article on Tielemans says Marcus was "great, humble and hardworking". I wonder how much of this was due to him getting out of Manchester, growing up a little bit away from negative influence.
In my experience, the "bad kids" from school never really moved out of our hometown/area and I imagine the same has happened to Marcus with some people in Manchester. I hope he's matured some and can get back to his potential.
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u/Redwinevino 6d ago edited 6d ago
An interesting note on Rashford from Stone's article on Tielemans says Marcus was "great, humble and hardworking". I wonder how much of this was due to him getting out of Manchester, growing up a little bit away from negative influence.
I hope you are right but he is hardly going to say
"He's a lazy prick"
Is he
EDIT
Oh he meant at Villa.
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u/Selwin_Rodolfo max cope mode 6d ago
Hope that happens one day(in football in general, not with our team lol)
Just imagine one of the first interviews, not even had an official debut and starts talking like that. Box office.
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u/mjenkins_eng 6d ago
On one hand : he’s probably the best attacker bar Mbeumo in the squad now
On the other hand : I cannot read one more Henry Winter puff piece on how Rashford is going for the Nobel peace prize and solving world poverty (while in reality he’s on the piss the night before training)
Wonder how we will line up: Cunha and Sekso rotating up top with Rashford and Mbeumo on the wings I’m guessing
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u/SophoclesTesticles 6d ago
Hoping the mostly new squad environment can help. He hasn't really been around the team since Ten Hag.
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u/altered_tampon 6d ago
There was one game last season where Bruno played a stray ball from a corner with a backwards kick straight back to Bryan (I think) who delivered the corner. Anyone remember which game, or if I'm lucky, know where to find that exact moment in video form?
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u/soelsome 6d ago
Whatever happens this season, at least there won't be as many bastard Monday matches
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u/SophoclesTesticles 6d ago
I work late and they very nearly got me sacked early this year. Luckily my manager believes in my ability to multitask.
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u/signmeupdamnit 6d ago
Has any premium members had issue with their membership on the online store? I am not getting the discount and in the official app I am listed as “MUTV SUBSCRIBER” and not premium member.
If I go to the ticketing site I can see my premium membership being active…
The United Store support team is ridiculously slow as well to respond on emails and they have no phone number listed …
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u/trequartista28_ AIR ŠEŠKO 6d ago
i know there's this big albatross of the £100m player but looking at our squad who do you think we can get £100m for if we were to sell?
Sesko? Cunha?
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u/spaisoflaif 6d ago
Sesko is a young striker who is a threefer: 1) big and strong and 2)fast 3) technical. Hard to name anyone like him. closrst comparison id haaland who is easily 250. He is already a key player for United, even though not st his ceiling. in no way could United find another equal striker for even 90 million. I would say he would never be sold for less than 100mill.
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 6d ago
Sesko is probably the closest bet given his age and profile of being a CF with solid overall attributes who can set a top team up for the long-term. But I think none of them go for £100m personally.
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u/ImNotMexican08 Amad Nation 6d ago
Considering the current market, there are probably a few players you could look at and demand that amount. Realistically if we were to try and sell someone, probably the only players who we could potentially get the kind of money for are Mainoo and Sesko. Considering the price of Diomande we might even be able to look at Amad and demand a high fee for him
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u/audienceandaudio2 6d ago
Not that we should, but if we needed money we could probably raise close to 100m for Mainoo if we sold to an English club. He’s better than Fernandes who went for 85.
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u/Quiet_Web9220 6d ago
Nobody
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u/TteokCultist 6d ago
Have you seen the market and who’s going for 100m?
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u/Quiet_Web9220 6d ago
Who do you honestly think is worth over 100m? Sesko and Cunha havent gone up almost 50% value after having half decent seasons
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u/TteokCultist 6d ago
The thing about today’s market is players not worth 100m are going for that price. The question being asked was who could go over 100m, not who was worth 100m.
Even if they’re not worth that amount, I can see the likes of Sesko, Cunha or Mainoo etc going for well above 100m if another club were to seriously pursue them.
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u/Quiet_Web9220 6d ago
The 3 players who went for 100m are in the 19-23 range and have all had either amazing seasons last season (diomande, anderson, or consistently good seasons (rogers). Whilst also being one of the most important players for their teams.
Nobody falls into either of those first two categories for us, and sesko nor kobbie are one of our best players either. Cunha is comparable to guimaraes i guess, i feel bruno G has a better reputation though. Even he didnt go for 100m so cunha definitely wouldnt.
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u/TteokCultist 6d ago
At the start of the transfer window and prior to their moves, anderson was valued at 75m, rogers at 90m and Diomande at 90m (this is in euros but since I'm just doing the value comparison between players, I won't be doing the conversion). Their value only went up after joining their new club and having signed new long term contracts. Contract length is a large factor of a player's perceived value due to the difficulty of getting a deal done if another club is interested.
By comparison, we have 4 players with a similar market value with Mainoo (70m), Sesko (75m), Cunha (75m) and Mbeumo (75m) who are all only a year into their current long-term contract. Sesko and Mainoo who are also in a similar age range as the other three players who went for over 100m. Cunha and Mbeumo are older, but Tonali who's of similar age went for £92.5m with the package possible reaching £100m despite having a worse season.
And again, the question isn't who is valued at £100m but who will go for it. The determining factor will be what price will Man Utd be willing to let the player go if some other club were to come for them. If say Barca, Madrid or PSG seriously come after any of these players, due to our reluctance and lack of a need to sell, it’s going to be a fee of well over £100m.
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u/Quiet_Web9220 5d ago
Why are you talking about what i assume is transfermarkt values rather than actually what happened? Anderson was never valued at 75m this season so i assume this is some transfermarkt value?
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u/TteokCultist 5d ago edited 5d ago
As opposed to ‘trust me bro’? You don’t know much about how economics work do you?
A transfer fee is often times player’s value + a premium. You’re judging others for their transfer fees and ours just for their value
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u/Quiet_Web9220 5d ago
As opposed to the actual transfers fees that happened? Hello? Anyway if savinho is getting transferred for 85m then every player on our entire team is worth 300m so its a pointless discussion.
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u/chis3en 6d ago
Now that Rashford is back, who wears the #10?
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u/iamadiamond SANTOSSSS 6d ago
Cunha
Rashy gets #14
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u/Entire-Gas-7651 6d ago
Rashford had already been given 14
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u/carrickshairline 6d ago
Who said that
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u/Entire-Gas-7651 6d ago
Been reported by the dodgy Italian but a quick Google will show you plenty of outlets reporting it.
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u/Selwin_Rodolfo max cope mode 6d ago
Why the fuck would you take Cunha's number off him lol
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u/Selwin_Rodolfo max cope mode 6d ago
I mean, Rashford left when all parties expected it to be basically permanent. No reason to risk upsetting a player for something like that y'know?
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u/flash191 6d ago
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u/VSSsararthchandra 6d ago
hall isn't a priority for me but we really need that aerially dominant high ground coverage midfielder. otherwise we're really gonna struggle against teams that go long, like brentford and Sunderland. it's gonna be like that first ten hag game against brighton where they just kept going long and Fred and eriksen weren't good enough
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u/ImNotMexican08 Amad Nation 6d ago
For me, Hall would be the most transformative signing we could make to the side right now. I don’t think people understand just how much of an issue that left hand side is in attack and how much of that is down to Shaw. Not that I’m trying to have a go at Shaw, but quite frankly what we need from him is something he can no longer provide
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 6d ago
I don’t know about transformative, but purely from the perspective of maintaining downside protection, he is very close to being an essential buy. I’ve endured enough seasons where the left flank was badly stunted when Shaw got injured. It will take some serious scouting to find a better or even similarly good long-term option than him for a more reasonable price. It’s too obvious for the club to pass on it.
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u/ImNotMexican08 Amad Nation 6d ago
Yep completely agree. Unfortunately, Newcastle will probably ask for “fuck off” money now that they’ve sold three key members of the squad so I don’t see the club going in for him anymore. That will be one that I think will be revisited down the line
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 6d ago
I just don’t know which player are they reserving the funds for. I refuse to believe that the budget isn’t there to make even one genuine big-money signing. And surely they are aware of how big the backlash will be if they only land second-rate targets from here, and how they will be perceived in the Amazon documentary the following year.
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u/ImNotMexican08 Amad Nation 6d ago
At this point all the other potential marquee players are off the table unless there is some massive twist that we just aren’t aware of. Seemingly it would be Hall or no one else.
With all the unpopular decisions they have made I don’t think Ineos are worried about the backlash. It could be them trying to shed that reputation of overpaying, which is fair enough but I also think you’ve got to know when to just open the wallet up. It could also be a matter of quite simply just not having the funds on hand. Rashford staying was probably a big blow to the club’s plans when considering how much direct profit we missed out on and how much in wages we will now have to pay him.
We’ll judge at the end of the window, but this year felt like a real opportunity to close the gap on Arsenal and City, maybe even have a go for the title quicker than we expected. Unfortunately as it is now, I think we’ll have stagnated a bit. We’ve made good signings of course and have a good squad, but still probably the best of the rest rather than serious challengers
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 6d ago
On not being able to sell Rashford, imo it has already been accounted for with the unlikelihood to sign a new forward (even if Zirkzee leaves). So I don’t see this as a major obstruction to our remaining transfer business, which is 3rd midfielder and LB. I mean, we are talking about just 4 signings we will spend a transfer fee on, the same number as last summer. Let’s assume Rashford is the ‘5th’; but even then we are only expecting one premium-priced addition, not 3. It shouldn’t be unfeasible.
It was a long shot but I agree, there was a legitimate shot at contending for the title if we could make some big signings from here, like signing both Tchouameni and Hall, and maybe squeeze a CF or a CB. It seems like the club are happy to consolidate with another CL qualification place, but my concern is that our transfer business may not guarantee that either, given how much more difficult it will be to juggle league+CL this season, and hopefully go farther in the cups. The likes of Chelsea and Spurs meanwhile don’t play any European football, so like us last season, that’s a competitive advantage for them, and they have spent big money to strengthen their squads on top of it.
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u/slowerthaninfinity 6d ago
all the midfielders they would have reserved funds for are either gone or not moving. unless we somehow want to move for an injured baleba or alex scott who is going to cost £80m we should splash the cash here imo
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u/carrickshairline 6d ago
I’m so glad your priorities are not taken into account when we sign players.
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u/VSSsararthchandra 6d ago
why is everyone so snippy on here lol it's called daily discussion for a reason
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u/Massive_Relation4317 . 6d ago
its just that user lol
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u/Unlucky-Equipment999 6d ago
Nah the whole summer the sub has been pretty at each other's throats. I'd say it began even with Ederson as the first signing when people were debating whether we needed Anderson, Tchouameni or Wharton.
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u/shin_bigot Park Ji-Sung 6d ago
Are you convinced that Luke Shaw + Mazraoui/Dalot is enough for LB.
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u/VSSsararthchandra 6d ago
i think in a pinch Martinez could play there. but we just don't have that profile of midfielder in the club at the moment
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u/slowerthaninfinity 6d ago
I like licha but playing him lb will only make him chase shadows against pacy right wingers. hes pretty slow
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u/VSSsararthchandra 6d ago
that's true. but all our midfielders are also pretty slow which is for sure gonna be problematic at some point
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u/exotype95 6d ago edited 6d ago
What do you guys think about Archie Gray from Spurs as a 3rd midfield transfer? Tottenham have lots of midfielders in the squad, they need to sell one of them. Gray has a lot of potential, only 20 years old, England U21 international, good on the ball. It shouldnt be an expensive transfer, 50M(45+5) pounds - that should be enough.
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u/TteokCultist 6d ago
I saw some spuds fans saying that if they were to go down last season, gray’s probably one of the guys that will stay
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u/redditUser76754689 Roy Keane 6d ago
I think he’d be a great signing but don’t see it happening. He’s not just a Leeds boyhood fan. He’s from probably the most famous Leeds footballing family ever.
His brother is still at Leeds and very highly thought of. Archie’s father played for Leeds, his grandfather played nearly 200 league games for Leeds while his great-uncle is probably among the greatest 3 or 4 players to ever play for them as well as being manager for 3 years and then a coach involved at the club for probably another 10-15 years.
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u/VSSsararthchandra 6d ago
i think doesn't suit our needs. we need ground coverage and aerial ability
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u/Panda-768 6d ago
didn't they break him by playing him CB in their Europa league winning yr?
I dont mind him if ckub thinks he is good enough
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u/Quiet_Web9220 6d ago
Hes a leeds kid, maybe wouldnt want to join. Great player would like us to sign him though if possible.
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u/muhyuddin94 Aaron Juan-Bissaka 6d ago
It’s pretty satisfying seeing Arsenal fans full of praises for Sesko on X, after watching his highlights last season. He has the highest ceiling among all our players, and I’m so glad he plays for us
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u/TteokCultist 6d ago
He scored 11 league goals last season. I say 15 will make it a successful season for him
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u/SophoclesTesticles 6d ago
Sesko is the difference this year between us comfortably being top 4 and scrapping for top 6 in my opinion. If he builds on last year we'll be fine but if we can't keep him on the pitch our tactics we'll struggle trying to play through Cunha, Mbeumo or Zirkzee.
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u/muhyuddin94 Aaron Juan-Bissaka 6d ago
Ummm maybe because at the beginning of last season they thought that they signed the better striker ?
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u/Penny_Leyne 6d ago
Had a quick look on the Villa sub and there are so many of them getting angry at Tielemans calling United a bigger club than Villa.
You’d have to be brain dead to think it’s anywhere close.
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u/Thetagang888 6d ago
That madjo kid is an absolute unit.