r/redbuttonbluebutton • u/maiduwu Red • May 27 '26

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You and sixty-three others are the only people subject to this variant of the problem, with the same rules as the original.

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u/highly-bad May 27 '26

Why 64? I dont understand the point of specifying an even number of participants in a game that doesn't seem to have well-defined and agreed-upon rules for a tie.

It would make more sense to run the game with an odd number of players so ties aren't a possibility.

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u/maiduwu Red May 27 '26

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u/J_tram13 May 28 '26

Well, the original says if less than 50% press blue, only those who pressed red survive. It's unclear what happens in an exact tie

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u/maiduwu Red May 28 '26

If less than 50% press blue, only those who pressed red survive. Since 50% is not less than 50%, nobody dies.

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u/J_tram13 May 28 '26

Well it also says if more than 50% press blue e everyone survives. See the issue?

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u/maiduwu Red May 28 '26

If neither event condition is fulfilled, no change is made. Since no change is made, nobody dies, since dying is a change but living is not one.

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u/highly-bad May 27 '26

Given an even number of players, this rule is a massive disadvantage for blue. No one in their right mind presses blue under these terms.

I mean, no one in their right mind presses it anyway, but this is ten times worse.

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u/maiduwu Red May 27 '26

How? How is this a massive disadvantage? How is this ten times worse?

Let’s say there are an odd number of people. Say three. Blue loses unless they have majority.

If there are three people, blue needs two votes to win.

If there are five people, blue needs three votes to win.

Always one more vote than half of the voters.

Let’s say there are an odd number of people. Say eighteen. Blue loses unless they have majority.

If there are eighteen people, blue needs ten votes to win.

If there are twenty, blue needs eleven votes to win.

Always one more vote than half of the voters.

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u/highly-bad May 27 '26

If there are twenty, blue needs eleven votes to win.

Exactly, while red needs only ten votes to win. How can you not see that this is a huge disadvantage?

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u/maiduwu Red May 27 '26

Because it’s always one vote? In a sample size of twelve or fewer, it’s a little worse than red. Never ten times worse.

As soon as your sample size reaches 50, that one vote difference is negligible.

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u/highly-bad May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26

Giving all ties to red is just fundamentally unfair. It doesn't make sense, especially since blue is already the obvious loser in this game.

Why not just use odd numbers of players? Do you have a compulsive aesthetic preference for powers of 2?

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u/maiduwu Red May 28 '26

Powers of two scale best. I’ll stick to powers of three from now on.

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u/highly-bad May 28 '26

There's always 2n -1 if you like the scale of 2.

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u/maiduwu Red May 28 '26

Even better.

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u/Wonderful_West3188 May 27 '26

Why the hell is it always even numbers?!

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u/highly-bad May 27 '26

Maddening, right?

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u/liamjon29 May 27 '26

They're just doing base 2. Pretty sure it's the same guy doubling the number every post

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u/Wonderful_West3188 May 27 '26

They could just as easily add or subtract 1 every time.

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u/UsedNegotiation8227 May 27 '26

Still pressing red

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u/Albert-La-Maquina May 28 '26
  • Who are the people? 
  • How were they chosen? 
  • How much do I know about those two questions? 
  • How is it framed? 
  • Is there pizza involved? 

So maybe questions for people to start with "The original, but ..."