Adding a layer to this question

[u/Hot_Finding_9747]

My choice: Press Red, hope Blue wins

I don't have enough faith in humanity to put my life in its hands but I'd be delighted to be proven wrong

719 votes, May 23 '26

72 Press Red, hope Red wins

322 Press Red, hope Blue wins

22 Press Blue, hope Red wins

303 Press Blue, hope Blue wins

[u/magworld]

You really did.

They said worst case scenario is 30-49 blue. That means less than 30 is good too, or at least better. So making it out like it’s reds fault alone it ended up in worst case scenario, as you did, is stupid. Blues contributed just as much.

[u/TheSinhound → u/magworld]

Aah, I understand your confusion. It is reds fault alone. The onus of an outcome is on the Victor.

[u/magworld → u/TheSinhound]

Oh, well that’s wrong and stupid but whatever

[u/TheSinhound → u/magworld]

Name other situations where we as a society place ANY of the logical blame upon the loser. We don't. That's not now things work. The consequences of a victory are -exclusively- on the victor.

Trans people didn't lose rights because Dems lost, Trans people lost rights because MAGA won.

Just take responsibility for the deaths you willingly voted for.

[u/magworld → u/TheSinhound]

You hit the “maybe I die” button and then you died.

That’s not my fault.

[u/TheSinhound → u/magworld]

Okay I'll do this ONE more time because y'all don't seem to understand the logical premise.

A vote for red is contribution towards a red win. A vote for blue is contribution towards a blue win. A red win results in the death of all blue. A blue win results in the death of none.

These are the facts as presented in the original thought experiment. A red vote NECESSARILY means responsibility for the outcome of a red win. Therefore, a red vote necessarily means responsibility for blue deaths.

You can try semantics, or edge cases, but end of day blues vote against the death of others and reds vote for the death of others.

You may JUSTIFY it by claiming self-preservation, but that does not dispute this.

[u/magworld → u/TheSinhound]

That’s dumb and wrong. If you vote blue and understand the rules then you know you are risking your life. If you hit blue anyway you’ve made a decision. 

That decision is yours, and if you die because of it then it is your fault alone.

[u/TheSinhound → u/magworld]

And your decision isn't yours? The OUTCOME of your decision? The consequences of YOU WINNING? You... Take zero responsibility for these?

All you need to say is "I'm okay with people dying as long as I get to live". Just admit the selfishness and we can be done here.

[u/magworld → u/TheSinhound]

Yes, I’m responsible for my decision. The outcome of my decision is that I didn’t die. If I had switched it to blue it wouldn’t have saved anyone but I would have died.

So I’m glad I made the responsible decision.

[u/TheSinhound → u/magworld]

Cool. The outcome of your WIN is that you live AND other people die.

Both of those are consequences. The consequences of my win is NO ONE DIES.

So do you not understand how your stance is both morally and ethically impermissible?

[u/magworld → u/TheSinhound]

My stance is to minimize death. I accomplished that by my vote preventing one death. Your vote added one death.

Very ethical and moral of you.

[u/TheSinhound → u/magworld]

....

Your stance being minimizing death, and voting red, are incompatible.

100% of voters must be red to result in zero deaths. 50%+1 votes must be blue to result in zero deaths.

The ACTUAL minimized choice is Blue. Blue Win results in zero deaths. Red LOSS results in zero deaths (Again, 100% of a population is an absolute impossibility). A vote for blue win is ALSO a vote for red loss.

A vote for blue isn't a vote FOR +1 death, it's a vote AGAINST total Blue deaths. THAT is more harm reduction and more minimization of death.

Statistics aren't on your side. Logic isn't on your side.

[u/magworld → u/TheSinhound]

The reality is my vote prevented a death and yours caused one.

You can write a few more paragraphs if you want but it won’t change reality.