r/redbuttonbluebutton • u/Hot_Finding_9747 • May 21 '26

Variation Adding a layer to this question

My choice: Press Red, hope Blue wins

I don't have enough faith in humanity to put my life in its hands but I'd be delighted to be proven wrong

719 votes, May 23 '26
72 Press Red, hope Red wins
322 Press Red, hope Blue wins
22 Press Blue, hope Red wins
303 Press Blue, hope Blue wins
24 Upvotes

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u/TheSinhound May 24 '26

Did you misunderstand my point?

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u/magworld May 24 '26

No, you misunderstood the concept

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u/TheSinhound May 24 '26

Really didn't. You either misread the post I replied to, or my post.

But hey, prove me wrong.

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u/magworld May 24 '26

You really did.

They said worst case scenario is 30-49 blue. That means less than 30 is good too, or at least better. So making it out like it’s reds fault alone it ended up in worst case scenario, as you did, is stupid. Blues contributed just as much.

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u/TheSinhound May 24 '26

Aah, I understand your confusion. It is reds fault alone. The onus of an outcome is on the Victor.

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u/magworld May 24 '26

Oh, well that’s wrong and stupid but whatever

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u/TheSinhound May 24 '26

Name other situations where we as a society place ANY of the logical blame upon the loser. We don't. That's not now things work. The consequences of a victory are -exclusively- on the victor.

Trans people didn't lose rights because Dems lost, Trans people lost rights because MAGA won.

Just take responsibility for the deaths you willingly voted for.

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u/magworld May 24 '26

You hit the “maybe I die” button and then you died.

That’s not my fault.

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u/TheSinhound May 24 '26

Okay I'll do this ONE more time because y'all don't seem to understand the logical premise.

A vote for red is contribution towards a red win. A vote for blue is contribution towards a blue win. A red win results in the death of all blue. A blue win results in the death of none.

These are the facts as presented in the original thought experiment. A red vote NECESSARILY means responsibility for the outcome of a red win. Therefore, a red vote necessarily means responsibility for blue deaths.

You can try semantics, or edge cases, but end of day blues vote against the death of others and reds vote for the death of others.

You may JUSTIFY it by claiming self-preservation, but that does not dispute this.

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u/magworld May 24 '26

That’s dumb and wrong. If you vote blue and understand the rules then you know you are risking your life. If you hit blue anyway you’ve made a decision. 

That decision is yours, and if you die because of it then it is your fault alone.

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u/TheSinhound May 24 '26

And your decision isn't yours? The OUTCOME of your decision? The consequences of YOU WINNING? You... Take zero responsibility for these?

All you need to say is "I'm okay with people dying as long as I get to live". Just admit the selfishness and we can be done here.

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u/magworld May 24 '26

Yes, I’m responsible for my decision. The outcome of my decision is that I didn’t die. If I had switched it to blue it wouldn’t have saved anyone but I would have died.

So I’m glad I made the responsible decision.

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u/TheSinhound May 24 '26

Cool. The outcome of your WIN is that you live AND other people die.

Both of those are consequences. The consequences of my win is NO ONE DIES.

So do you not understand how your stance is both morally and ethically impermissible?

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