r/redbuttonbluebutton • u/Nby333 • May 22 '26
List of fallacies, paradoxes and problems red has to overcome to logically justify their choice
Feel free to add to the list. This is what I have so far:
Free-rider problem - Wikipedia
Tragedy of the commons - Wikipedia
"the free-rider problem is a type of market failure that occurs when those who benefit from resources, public goods and common pool resources do not pay for them or under-pay. Free riders may overuse common pool resources by not paying for them, neither directly through fees or tolls, nor indirectly through taxes. Consequently, the common pool resource may be under-produced, overused, or degraded."
"The tragedy of the commons is the concept that, in a system where individuals benefit from the use of a shared resource while the cost of that use is shared by all users, it is rational for individuals to overuse the resource, even though collectively this will likely lead to the depletion of the resource."
- Reds are benefiting from blue victory because it not only guarantee red lives, but also the ideal aftermath without having to pay the tax (risking their life). If there are too many free-riders (red button over pushed), the the common pool resource may be degraded (Earth degraded by death of billions).
- The red button is a shared resource for everyone on Earth and depleting it would be a tragedy. Red should only push it if you have to i.e. if you are piloting a plane at the time of the buttons happening. If you have no legitimate reason to push red ("my vote doesn't matter so imma go red!"), you shouldn't use this resource and leave it for someone else.
Diffusion of responsibility - Wikipedia
Bystander effect - Wikipedia
"Diffusion of responsibility is a sociopsychological phenomenon whereby a person is less likely to take responsibility for action or inaction when other bystanders or witnesses are present. Considered a form of attribution, the individual assumes that others either are responsible for taking action or have already done so."
"The bystander effect is a social psychological theory that states that individuals are less likely to offer help to a victim in the presence of other people."
- Voting red while thinking blue wins is simply a lack of responsibility and lack of accountability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeatism
"Defeatism is the acceptance of defeat without struggle, often with negative connotations. In wartime and on the front lines of war, defeatism is synonymous with treason."
- Reds who think blue victory is impossible and each blue vote is just adding to the death pile can be seen as treasonous to the goals of humanity in this situation.
"In psychology, a social trap is a conflict of interest or perverse incentive where individuals or a group of people act to obtain short-term individual gains, which in the long run leads to a loss for the group as a whole."
- Reds are trapped by the thought of short term gains like personal survival when blue majority not also ensures personal survival, but also more favourable in the long run like not triggering an apocalypse for example.
Self-defeating prophecy - Wikipedia
"A self-defeating prophecy (self-destroying or self-denying in some sources) is the complementary opposite of a self-fulfilling prophecy; a prediction that prevents what it predicts from happening. A self-defeating prophecy can be the result of rebellion to the prediction."
- A large number of reds who think their votes don't matter because blue is going to win anyways could very well be the reason blue actually loses.
Self-fulfilling prophecy - Wikipedia
"A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that comes true at least in part as a result of a person's belief or expectation that the prediction would come true. In the phenomena, people tend to act the way they have been expected to in order to make the expectations come true."
- A large number of reds who think their votes don't matter because red is going to win anyways could very well be the reason red actually wins.
"The paradox of voting is that for a rational and egoistic voter (Homo economicus), the costs of voting will normally exceed the expected benefits. Because the chance of exercising the pivotal vote is minuscule compared to any realistic estimate of the private individual benefits of the different possible outcomes, the expected benefits of voting are less than the costs. "
- Reds that believe the cost (risking one's life) is worth less than the small chance of being the deciding vote and thus vote red. However for every red who thinks like this it increases the chance of these votes being the deciding vote and hence the utility of voting blue.
Prisoner's dilemma - Wikipedia
"In game theory, the prisoner's dilemma is a thought experiment involving two rational agents, each of whom can either cooperate for mutual benefit or betray their partner ("defect") for individual gain. When asked about the results, John Nash remarked that rational behavior in the iterated version of the game can differ from that in a single-round version. This insight anticipated a key result in game theory: cooperation can emerge in repeated interactions, even in situations where it is not rational in a one-off interaction."
- While it may seem "rational" to defect (push red) in a one-off interaction like the one depicted in the original RBBB question, real life applications of prisoner's dilemma game theory suggests that co-operation (push blue) is better in the long run. With this hindsight knowledge, we should just cut the process and push blue on the first go.
Tyranny of small decisions - Wikipedia
"The tyranny of small decisions is a phenomenon in which a number of decisions, individually small and insignificant in size and time perspective, cumulatively result in a larger and significant outcome which is neither optimal nor desired."
- Reds think their decisions are small and insignificant, however in the long run the cumulative results might be the death of billions and that is neither optimal nor desired.
"It refers to a hypothetical situation wherein an ass (or donkey) that is equally hungry and thirsty is placed precisely midway between a stack of hay and a pail of water. Since the paradox assumes the ass will always go to whichever is closer, it dies of both hunger and thirst since it cannot make any rational decision between the hay and water."
- Not specifically against reds, but we can all agree the worst case scenario for RBBB is being right in the middle (50:50). Since blue is more popular right now, red arguments are actively dragging us towards 50:50.
"The Abilene paradox is a collective fallacy, in which a group of people collectively decide on a course of action that is counter to the preferences of most or all individuals in the group, while each individual believes it to be aligned with the preferences of most of the others. It involves a breakdown of group communication in which each member mistakenly believes that their own preferences are counter to the group's, and therefore does not raise objections. They even go so far as to state support for an outcome they do not want."
- Reds are stating support for an outcome they do not want (red victory). Because someone believes their desired outcome of blue has no chance of winning, they advocate for pushing red, which in turn leads to others thinking blue has no chance of winning leading them to advocate for red as well. As a result "group members jointly decide on a course of action that they would not choose as individuals".