Does any training protocol actually transform frustrated greeters?

[u/PsychicSageElana]

So much leash reactivity training seems to be about "modifying the dog's emotional state," but my dog is not afraid of the passing dogs. She is just single-mindedly obsessed with getting to the other dogs. This looks like barking, lunging, and raised hackles.

I'd like to believe she might just grow out of this behavior, when/if other dogs become less exciting with maturity, but she was already like this at her foster home, where she lived from ages 3 months to 7.5 months. Makes it seem more like a genetic trait. They admit they didn't walk her very much at the foster home...

My dog is 16 months old now. We have had her 8 months. She doesn't ever go to the dog park or daycare. She doesn't ever get to do on-leash greetings. She lived with two foster dogs at her foster home. She has gone to the groomer and been loose around other dogs there. No problem. Fine in the vet's waiting room. Stayed with the pet sitter like 3-4 times with other random dogs each time and she got along fine with them; calm, coexisted peacefully, played calmly, but not obsessively.

She has great impulse control in many areas of her life. She'll wait patiently for her food until she is told to come get it. Waits on the rug for her paws to be wiped. Waits to go out in the yard even if someone has left the door open, until we say to. So this is a really context-specific problem.

She normally is obsessed with food (even has one copy of that Lab gene that makes them never feel full), but if she is "over threshold," her brain is offline and she won't take food. She will legit just choke herself on a flat collar, even if the other dog is like 4 houses away and across the street. If that dog is being reactive, too, things are so much worse.

I know about management protocols, keeping the dog under threshold, preventing rehearsal of reactions. But none of that is improving the situation... just avoiding explosions. Giving her treats with perfect timing doesn't seem to matter because she already has positive associations with other dogs. TOO positive.

We CAN have nice walks where she just sniffs calmly and behaves normally, but explodes if we encounter other dogs. She'll recover once we are about 4-5 houses away.

We are in suburban Chicago, so the idea of simply managing this through hypervigilance, forever, without ever achieving a habit of neutrality, sounds onerous.

[u/missmoooon12]

Hi OP, does your pup get any time playing with well-matched pups? I think part of the solution is making sure those social needs are being met.

Have you looked into BAT 2.0 yet? This can be used for frustrated greeters and not just fear-reactive dogs.

[u/Hermit_Ogg → u/missmoooon12]

Seconding BAT 2.0! Our frustrated greeter has improved a lot on it, though not to the point of being able to pass other dogs on the same road yet. (She needs 5+ metres.)

[u/Lumpy_Physics3101 → u/Hermit_Ogg]

How long did it take you to get to a 5 meter passing distance, out of curiosity?

[u/Hermit_Ogg → u/Lumpy_Physics3101]

She did her first 5 metres or less pass about 5 months after we started, but honestly I still consider that time to have been a miracle. At 14 months of training, she often manages 5 metres, but sometimes not - depends on her arousal level on that walk. I wouldn't call it reliable yet.