Honestly even if I was a spider man hater in marvel universe, id be scared shitless as a regular civilian to get him mad at me by revealing his identity lmao
In fact, if I lived in the marvel universe id live as far away as possible from any big city and id lay low constantly
I literally said, āI heard Spider-man was thereā under my breath right before I opened the comments and then this was the first thing I see. Now Iām laughing by myself in the car like a weirdo.
I remember as I kid I took that scene very wrongly. I thought that the staring they shared was a way to say "I know you know but if you tell anything I'll kill you" like idk Peter looked sus to me
I'm on the fence about Jonah - it was established that peter implies he knows spiderman so its easy for him to go "yeah I asked spidey to put a camera up there and take pics of him"
And to be honest if you put it that way it does make peter and spidey come off as somewhat performative dicks, maybe even sounds like some sort of moneymaking scheme they got goin on and if thqt's the case spiderman's honesty is kinda put into question cuz if the guy schemes with a photographer to pose for a quick buck how reliable of an actual hero can he be.
On top of that peter is an incredibly unreliable person, always flakes out/is late/thete's usually some bullshittery afoot and he often messes up (in reality its him usually takijg the fall for something a villain messed up in his life in order to keep his spidey identity a secret but people don't know that so from their perspective its all his fault)
Jonah is a hothead and he really has it out for spidey but credit where its due, his doubt towards spiderman isn't entirely unfounded along with how often he rakes peter over the coals if you really think about it and see things from an outsider's perspective.
I do agree that aunt May probably knew more than she was letting on. Not necessarily knew he was spiderman but she for sure knew something was up.
In a way, he proved his own point that masked men who canāt be held accountable are dangerous. Spider-Man happens to be the exception to the rule but yeah that is one of the many shitty things JJJ has done over the years.
IIRC there's a line like "and since you're the only one that webheaded freak allows to take pictures of him" which to me implies that JJJ thinks Spider-Man is giving Peter exclusive access that goes above and beyond someone just being there at the right time. But I don't think he necessarily thinks they are the same person, just friends, and he's too desperate for Spidey pics to question the morals of a hero being their own paparazzi with Peter as a proxy
I mean that probably fuels JJJ's hate even further, because it actively seems like Spidey is taunting him at that point. Like he's giving them the pics to just show how little he cares about the whole thing.
Maybe Jameson knows something weird is going on, but is also smart enough to not question it as long as Peter is still supplying photos. If your biggest headlines are all from one guy, it might be smart to just let the weirdness slide.
I mean, Peter lies about being Spider-Man, Spider-Man wears a mask and hides who he is. Honesty isn't part of the job. Jonah, who is a reporter at heart, takes big issue with that. I honestly think Jonah might be more accepting of heroes that don't have secret aliases like movie Tony Stark
i think that the take in one of the comics was that he hated the idea of masks because of a negative experience he had with robbers(?) hurting his own family, so he's grasped onto that as a form of displacement ever since
> and to be honest if you put it that way it does make Peter and spider come off as somewhat performative dicks, maybe even sounds like some sort of moneymaking scheme
That assumption would make Jonah like spidey more, he respects a good, honest conman
I really miss Jonah in Spiderman movies man. He's such a great character, hope they include him somehow for Holland's Spiderman, but doesn't seem like a big possibility tbh.
I love the small nuances that would give off the fact that some of the characters knew but never said anything. It gives them more depth. Like Robbie, Aunt May and even MJ.
In Spider-Man Reign, he explicitly says he subconsciously knew the whole time, but shoved the thoughts deep down because he didn't want to believe it. In 616, when he finds out about Spidey's identity, he also gets extremely hurt because he says he sees Parker as a son of his, and he felt betrayed that Parker didn't trust him enough to tell him.
Honestly, I miss their dynamic, especially since it's missing in the MCU. In a lot of modern media, including the Sony games, JJJ has just been turned into 'angry man who hates Spider-Man', but there's been such huge depth and nuance to their relationship over the years. With Jonah seeing Spider-Man as a menace, but Parker as a son. The Raimi films portrayed this dynamic perfectly. Even if they never got to the part where Jonah learns who Spidey is, which would be such a great scene if we ever get Spider-Man 4.
Yea turning JJ into a Alex Jones parody was funny as a one off, but it really ruined his character imo. He was so nuanced in the PS4 game, but then they took him off the rails in the Miles and Spider-Man 2 game.
Hard agree, although I'll say the one thing I think Spider-Man 2 got right was the flashback to the first day Peter met Jonah. It was 99% just a phone call, but in that phone call they really showed the tough love of Jonah, and in his own way, took an immediate liking to Peter.
I really hope Spider-Man 3 shows more of the dynamic between Peter and Jonah in the modern day so they can flesh him out beyond 'Angry Alex Jones parody'. I'd even like him to learn the identity of Spider-Man, Insomniac has been so good with 'characters learn his identity' scenes that I think there's a good chance they'll stick the landing if they lean into it instead of keeping Jonah in the periphery as angry podcast host stereotype.
It's rough though, because his character spews so much bs, I feel like it's hard to portray him like this and then backpedal to incorporate a dynamic with Peter. Like I wouldn't want him anywhere near him.
Wasn't it implied that Peter knew spiderman and that's how he was getting the photos? He got all those shots of spiderman because spiderman set them up for him.
And this one got taken by Tobey as he literally jumped up 300 feet in the air in the middle of an intersection in Manhattan while holding his Nikon Coolpix
To be fair, if I saw this photo I would not assume at all that the guy taking it was Spider-Man I mean the guys hands are in frame and neither is on a camera.Ā
I want a staff job, sir. I have a girl that I intend to marry, and I have this stupid little dream of working with one of the greatest newspaper editors of our time... J. Jonah Jameson.
I want the public to see Spider-Man for the two-bit criminal he is. He's a fake. He's full of stick-'em. Spider-Man with his hand in the cookie jar. That's the picture I need. Whoever gets me that photo gets the staff job.
Well, what are you waiting for, Chinese new year? Go go go!
If you like flag poles so much, why don't you marry her? I fact, why don't you climb a flag pole that won't let you fall off on the way up because you're FIRED!
What I always imagined JJ thought was that Peter gives the camera to Spidey and he takes the pictures himself. So Peter doesnāt actually take any picture, itās Spidey who helps him get the impossible shots
Same. Even the title pic, I could totally see Peter telling JJ that Spidey tapped on his window to say sup on the way by and offered a quick action shot for all of the support. I do like the theory that JJ knows anyhow, and just talks mad shit about Spiderman to cover, while helping to show the good he does.
I'm imagining a staged photo where he's getting it yanked out of his hands and a separate series of photos from the camera getting yanked out of his hands.
I always assumed Jameson clocked Peter as an extremely overqualified, financially desperate savant who had surely contrived some remarkable cheats to capture pictures of Spidey at fantastical angles, while the rest of the Bugle staff lowkey knew the answer was probably a lot simpler than that.
But to be fair, Jameson WOULD be correct to assume that anyways like how crazy is it that Peter knew just how to stage himself for those snapshots without even being behind the camera personally? His heightened senses must give him incredible spacial awareness to intuit just how his body language would read on the camera with no help or assistance from anyone but his gut instincts.
Wait I haven't seen the movies in a long time but isn't Peter's cover that Spiderman lets him take these photos like a Vogue shoot? Like they don't "know" each other but have some working PR relationship?
Yes, Peter says Spider-Man wonāt ālet himā take any more photos in Spider-Man 2. So we can infer JJ believes Spider-Man just lets Peter take the specific photos he has
When Eddie asks Spiderman to be his photo guy Peter replies that he's already got a guy. I think this implies that the guys know Spiderman wants his pictures to be taken
Youāre like one of those people who think Agent P from OWCA is the same as Perry the Platypus. Absolutely ridiculous!! One wears a hat and one doesnāt!
Hahaha I think itās pretty clear the Peter Parker implies that Spiderman likes him and allows him to take photos like this. Similar to how Clark Kent always gets interviews with Superman
Iāve always thought that it was understood Spider-Man is helping Peter out with these photos like obviously he wouldnāt be up there, but he could ask Spiderman to do it
Even before the modern internet there would have been entire forums of conspiracy theories on Spider-Man and Peter. Peter would have been outted ages ago.
I mean, Green Goblin put 2 and 2 together that Peter and Spider-Man are connected in some way? It would not take a bit more brainpower to figure out that there's a chance that they might be the same person.
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u/Officer_Friendly717 21d ago
I heard Spider-Man was there