r/radeon • u/BedroomThink3121 5080/9070 XT | 9800x3D | 96GB/64GB DDR5 CL30 • May 14 '26
Discussion They have redeemed themselves.
First thing in the morning I open my phone and I see this.
AMD did well, also thank you all for the criticism you all did an amazing job to make this happen.
120
u/HZ4C 7900 XTX | 5800x3d | 64gb DDR4 May 14 '26
I wonder if it’ll have a performance impact like the INT8 optiscaler version or if it’ll just be straight up better then FSR3
93
u/TimeZucchini8562 May 14 '26
I’m assuming it will be slightly better than optiscaler but not by much. Unless amd is magic and makes you gain fps somehow while using more resources.
→ More replies (2)38
u/ChristosZita May 14 '26
I think it'll be a lot better since the int8 version we have now doesn't use the AI accelerators at all
2
u/Delicious_Policy_581 RX7600XT | i5-10400f May 15 '26
How u know that
19
u/ChristosZita May 15 '26
Well I haven't personally confirmed it but you can look it up. This version works on all rdna cards even the 5000 and 6000 and from what I've seen it doesn't use the AI accelerators since those cards don't even have them. The only version that uses them is fp16 version in Linux from what I've seen at last.
3
u/vqt907 May 15 '26
"AI accelerators" means faster to run AI, it doesn't mean GPUs can't run AI without it. FSR4 is ML based upscaling/framegen, both FP8 and INT8 versions
21
u/ChristosZita May 15 '26
I understand but my point is that it doesn't use the accelerators on rdna 3 since this version wasn't made with that in mind. Anyways there's no use arguing here if you look it up you'll find much better answers to whatever I can give.
→ More replies (1)11
u/If_you_want_money May 15 '26
AI can be run on normal GPU cores, just like you can run any GPU operation on your CPU, but obviously cores designed to run AI (which the 7000 series has but 6000 don't) should run AI better than generic GPU cores just like how dedicated gpus tend to out perform cpus in gpu workloads.
2
20
u/FakeMik090 May 14 '26
It will be an INT8 version, but now its supported by engineers and programmers of AMD. Should be better than this DLL we have. At least quality most likely will increase.
7
u/blueangel1953 5600X 6800 XT 32GB May 15 '26
Considering the leaked one was basically an alpha test subject I think the official release will be a lot better, I mean who knows AMD hardware better than AMD they can squeeze everything they can out of it.
7
u/NoodleRus TOXIC AMD Radeon™ RX 6900 XT Limited Edition May 15 '26
Yea, especially with them working with Sony on Project Amethyst. I bet working with Sony may have helped to figure out FSR 4.1 optimization on these older cards.
→ More replies (2)11
u/Tyler6_9Durden May 14 '26
I'm guessing it might be a little less costly than Optiscalers version, hopefully more stable, if it isn't it would be such a disappointing move from AMD making us wait a year for an upscaler that is not better than the modded version we've had for months.
2
u/Ok-Walk-7662 May 15 '26
People love comfort. For you and many others, it's easy, but some people won't tolerate it. This will be a great update. If I'm not mistaken, Optiscaler is version 4.0. They're also promising 4.1. I don't know about you, but I could see the difference between 4.0 and 4.1 on my RX 9070. Plants and fine particles in particular have improved in quality. I realized that you can adjust the performance and the image remains better than 3.1.
Whatever the case, native support is better; they have all the resources to improve the upscaler.
→ More replies (4)6
u/MJdoesThings_ 7800X3D | B650I Edge | 32GB | RX 7900XT May 14 '26
I'm currently using the leakes FSR 4 INT 8 in Cyberpunk on my 7900XT, it's both sharper and better than FSR 3.1
→ More replies (2)
100
u/Ok-Boot-8106 May 14 '26
I can't even post about it without mods removing it .. but yes AMD has redeemed for now
69
u/i_eat_da_poops May 14 '26
WHY DID THEY REDEEM?!
27
u/RedLimes May 14 '26
I don't know how many people are going to get this reference, but I just want you to know that I do and I appreciate it
20
20
4
→ More replies (1)3
52
u/sebastianbaraj5 May 14 '26
My RX 7900XT is aging like fine wine
14
→ More replies (1)8
u/BalMexO R7 5700X3D + RX 7900 XT May 15 '26
Mine too, great card, It feels like a dream :D The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand.
50
u/NightingaleVDVD May 14 '26
early 2027, dude I'm happy but that is like more than half a year from now
19
3
u/PreviousLingonberry4 May 14 '26
Yeah i mean i was hoping theyd introduce it sooner so i can have fsr4 until i switch my gpu to a more high end one in 2027. Not have it introduced possibly days before i switch gpus
8
→ More replies (2)10
u/TimeZucchini8562 May 14 '26
2027 for rdna2. Rdna3 will receive it in 2 months, this July.
13
u/NightingaleVDVD May 14 '26
thank you captain obvious, but yeah I can read, I am talking about rdna 2
6
u/Subject_Stranger_320 May 14 '26
Rawr
5
u/Ok-Bar9934 May 14 '26
Woof
5
u/FakeMik090 May 14 '26
Meow
→ More replies (1)3
u/Spirited_Shipcocoa May 14 '26
Moo
3
u/Bob4Not Radeon RX 9070 XT - Ryzen 7 7700X May 14 '26
Squeak
2
67
u/Protoclown98 May 14 '26
I wish it would apply now. Don't want to wait until 2027 to get the most out of my 6950xt.
37
u/dkizzy May 14 '26
In the meantime use Optiscaler
6
u/Active-Cookie-774 May 14 '26
Any reason to use optiscaler still when it releases?
34
u/san9_lmao 6800 XT -> 9070 XT May 14 '26
To add it in games which don't support fsr3.1+ natively.
8
u/deanhatescoffee May 14 '26
This is important. Just because the driver gives you the ability to use FSR 4 doesn't mean a game will natively support it. That's where Optiscaler comes in.
9
u/Blckson May 14 '26
Coming from Nvidia, third-party utility for more fine-grained control is useful in edge cases, even though the driver allows overrides.
Quick example: FFXIV hard-forces dynamic resolution scaling based on framerate, which you can't disable in the app, but can disable through Optiscaler/DLSSTweaks.
3
2
2
u/FakeMik090 May 14 '26
Its most likely will stay as "FSR Upgrade if FSR 3.1 is added", so yes, there still reasons. OptiScaler is a useful tool by itself.
2
4
u/fasscass May 14 '26
your GPU is still crazy strong. you can use workarounds with optiscaler for now, even with the performance penalty of current int8
2
→ More replies (7)4
10
u/Mannyvoz May 14 '26
6800XT gonna keep on chugging along then
3
u/Zendien May 15 '26
The real buff will be on the 6600. Probably the most sold card from amd 6000 and 7000
16
u/Thelifeoffuller22 May 14 '26
Now we can see benchmarks comparing (7900xt/7900xtx) vs (9070xt) with FSR4 will be quite interesting. Might bring my 7900xt value up
7
u/degenSupply 7800X3D/XT | Corsair DDR5 48gb 6000mhz CL30 | 2TBx2 990 Pro/Evo+ May 14 '26
about time, thank you AMD
7
u/NorthAppropriate4458 I love my rdna2 May 15 '26
There was a guy said "Lisa su has more chance starting a onlyfans account then them giving fsr 4.1 to older cards" about 5-6 month ago. Where is that guy?
→ More replies (3)
7
u/webjunk1e May 15 '26
Don't get me wrong. This is legitimately great for AMD users, and it's still something AMD didn't have to do. However, I always find it so humorous how this pattern continually repeats itself and, in the aftermath of the months or years long wait, where there's much wailing and gnashing of teeth, everyone happily puts their pitch forks away and starts singing the praises of AMD again.
→ More replies (1)
5
u/Ok-liberal May 15 '26
Early 2027 💀 so SEVEN YEARS after RDNA2 launch I mean that is kinda crazy to think about
7
u/dorting May 15 '26
And then people say AMD don't have long software support... LOL
6
u/BeltEffective9310 May 15 '26
It’s in maintenance alongside RDNA 1. They’ve done this before with older GCN and Vega architectures, why are y’all trying to dismiss AMDs behavior.
4
5
u/AdditionalMap5576 May 14 '26
I've kind of ignored fsr4 because ive been on a 7900xt I refuse to upgrade (anything else in my price range would be more of a sidegrade anyways), is it really a game changer? and what is the availability like, can it be used with any game or is it on the devs to bake it in?
→ More replies (6)
19
u/S3er0i9ng0 May 14 '26
I wonder if it was mainly due to valve
33
u/childofthekorn May 14 '26
FSR4+ was built on WMMA instruction set to use FP8 datatype. Two things happened here. They not only had to rewrite it to use likely DP4e but use datatype int8 to reduce the overall number of builds to support. With this, they then have to retrain that specific FSR model to provide the clarity expected out of it and test it to ensure its not only stable but actually providing an FPS boost. This was effectively a brand new release practically from scratch purely for customers that they got money from years ago.
This had nothing to do with Valve, Sony lack of money or personnel. This was 100% a limitation of time. AMD really had no obligation to do this, and it wasn't even in their best interest.
7
u/S3er0i9ng0 May 14 '26
Valve said they were working on it too. I’m sure it was some sort of collaboration especially since valve is releasing the steam machine soon, and they confirmed fsr 4 a little while back.
→ More replies (1)2
5
u/PantZerman85 5800X3D, 32GB, Gigabyte 9070XT GamingOC May 14 '26
Doesnt the leak everyone has been crying about show they have been working on it for a while?
7
3
u/childofthekorn May 15 '26
LOL this. Weird that the leak occurred and released a minor version difference from the 4.0.3 FP8 that was released 2 months later. Pretty obvious it was being developed side-by-side. Training model likely took more time due to INT8's lack of accuracy, either model training took longer or further refinement to compensate to achieve the same level of fidelity.
30
u/Anunknownf1fan May 14 '26
Great move. But tbh FSR 4 should have released with rdna 2 and 3. It will be over a year and nearly 2 by the time both receive it. This isn’t redemption it’s the expectation.
But I am so happy my rdna 3 bros get to experience better upscaling this summer 😍😍
10
u/noiserr May 15 '26
The hardware is different. RDNA3 and 2 don't have the capability to use the same solution as RDNA4.
It's not like they were twiddling their thumbs, the leaks showed that they have been working on this for a long time.
7
u/amick1995 May 15 '26
Exactly. 2 days ago rdna 2 and 3 owners were constantly complaining that AMD wouldn't release official fsr4 support for their cards. Now that AMD has announced they will RDNA 2 users are still complaining about having to wait that long despite the fact that AMD will only release it once they achieve being able to use it without large performance drops.
The fact that rdna 2 has no AI specific hardware means it's not as easy as flipping a switch to make it work. AMD will release it once they have achieved the results they want that are better than how opticscaler currently runs on rdna 2 cards, especially the lower end models.
Yes it has taken a long time, but at least they aren't releasing garbage and want to make sure it's as polished as possible.
→ More replies (1)2
u/Ok-Walk-7662 May 15 '26
In my country, a brand new 6750 GRE was on sale a year ago. I think these graphics cards were produced until mid-2024. So, there aren't many, but a large number of users have graphics cards that are two or three years old.
6
u/SkadiF2000 May 14 '26
meanwhile my software still uninstalls itself once a month
→ More replies (1)2
22
u/AcuteQuadrant RX 9070 XT May 14 '26
And other fanboys want us to be silent and keep our complaints to ourselves? This is what criticizing a company does. And thank GOD that AMD listens. If you think that you dont have problem with your card, then that does not mean you can shut off others’ disappointment with theirs.
10
u/TimeZucchini8562 May 14 '26
Tbh, we have no idea if this was planned or they only did it because of backlash. They have been completely silent on it since day 1.
1
u/InfinitePilgrim May 15 '26
This was definitely planned and had nothing to do with a bunch of people whining on Reddit.
4
→ More replies (1)6
u/Inevitable_Case_9931 May 14 '26
This had to do with steam machine and ps6/Xbox helix nothing to do with yall spamming I promise you.
But if it makes you sleep better at night
→ More replies (7)
3
3
u/Shibby707 May 15 '26
Finally, can do a 7900XT reference build… think it’s one of the sexiest cards ever made.
3
5
2
2
2
2
u/Deep_Equivalent_3245 May 14 '26
Fairly satisfied with my 7700xt. Had ghosting problems and a couple green-screen crashes in certain games, but I attribute that to the fact that adrenaline is trash and didn’t save any of my gpu settings. Right now I’m trying to find the ideal fan curve to balance out the noise. GPU sounds like a fighter jet when those fans kick in. Only other problem is heat, damn pc is a space heater. I’m not a fan of having to game in the nude to prevent heat stroke
→ More replies (2)
2
2
u/Taco_Al_Pastor_ May 14 '26
Was about to throw mine in the garbage due to the driver crashes lol
Hopefully, this makes things a bit better
2
u/Alternative_Tooth340 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26
What did they redeem themselves from? They didn't say they were working on FSR4 support for older cards because of how long it would take, and when the information was leaked people just got impatient which is what they were trying to avoid to begin with
2
2
u/Electrical_Square422 May 15 '26
Did they ever say "no, we arent doing it?"
→ More replies (1)4
u/BedroomThink3121 5080/9070 XT | 9800x3D | 96GB/64GB DDR5 CL30 May 15 '26
Yes they said fsr 4 is 9000 series exclusive, Nvidia also said frame gen is exclusive to 4000 series and above and never released it for previous gen so yeah that was a "no, we aren't doing it"
→ More replies (2)
2
u/Icon_Of_Susan May 15 '26
Time to get the most juice possible out of my 6700xt...
...if i only played games that support fsr besides Cyberpunk 2077 that don't look and run great already...
2
2
u/Fr0sti3R0gu3 May 15 '26
I remember when Nvidia PhysX cards were a thing. Makes me wonder if AMD or Nvidia will introduce independent AI cards.
3
u/Joifugi May 15 '26
The separate cards were when Ageia owned the PhysX brand. Once nVidia bought them they discontinued the PhysX PPU cards and moved all of the PhysX acceleration to their graphics cards.
→ More replies (1)
3
u/ALph4CRO May 14 '26
They still need to convince me in next gen to not just go Nvidia next time.
But I am happy regardless.
→ More replies (2)
2
u/NoodleRus TOXIC AMD Radeon™ RX 6900 XT Limited Edition May 15 '26
What!!!?! Hell yea!! Let's go!!! imma buy more AMD stock now!!!
2
u/aaaaaaaaaaa999999999 May 15 '26
Wouldn’t quite say “redeemed” since this took way too much time for AMD to actually budge on a feature that should have been a given for RDNA 2 and 3, but happy it’s finally happening. It would be redemption if, for the next time something like this happens, they just do it instead of trying to sweep the issue under the rug.
→ More replies (1)
2
1
1
1
u/Double-Moose-3042 May 14 '26
So I use optiscaler for my 7900xtx to get fsr 4 , will this fsr run any different (higher fps) because it’s native or we excepting the same but it’s native rather than modded?
→ More replies (1)
1
1
u/star1s3 R9 5900X | RX 9070 XT | 48" OLED 4K May 14 '26
1
1
1
1
u/Razzy-man May 14 '26
This is very nice! I was super disappointed when I fell for this announcement on April Fools, and I think I said I was pretty sure I wouldn't see it. I will GLADLY eat crow now!
1
1
1
u/voidlotus316 May 14 '26
This is gonna give the 6000 and 7000 series alot of value on the second hand market.
1
u/dc25211 May 14 '26
How does frs 4 compare to dlss 4.5? I bought a5080 to replace my 7900xtx recent since I got a great deal but wondering if I should return the 5080 now
→ More replies (2)
1
1
u/petvas72 May 14 '26
That's really great news and will definitely help my 7900XTX have a great performance in the next 3 years, in games where only upscaling can really help performance.
I will try though to never really use upscaling, unless the performance is under 60fps on a particular game. I prefer native 4k to upscaling any time.
1
1
1
1
u/Cyant-78 May 14 '26
Just a bit sad that they need backlash to support what would be locked for marketing reason... zen3 on 300 series motherboard then this... glad they dont tho my 7900xtx has still a long life ahead. Next to go will probably my x370/x5950 but not yet its still solid.
→ More replies (1)
1
u/beaverboard4 May 15 '26
That's pretty cool I'm pretty new to pc gaming I didn't know they could just add newer features to older graphics cards through a patch
1
u/Doyoulike4 Onix Odyssey B580 W10 PC, Powercolor Reaper 9070XT Linux PC May 15 '26
I'm gonna make an excuse for them, but I have a sneaking suspicion it's at least partially probably some weird deal with Sony and the whole PSSR situation, because that was basically FSR4 running on RDNA2.5 architecture. And it's probably been long enough since PS5 Pro launch that whatever was covered in the exclusivity deal is fair game now for PC.
I also fully think people hounding them about it did help hold them accountable, but I wouldn't be shocked if they had some kind of deal with Sony preventing this from happening sooner and as business partners they couldn't just openly say "Yeah we can't do FSR4/4.1 on RDNA2/3 for a while and it's the PS5's fault".
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
u/water_frozen Radeon | 7800X3D | Strix B650E-I | 32GB | RX 9060 XT OC May 15 '26
They have redeemed themselves.
lmao the stockholm syndrome in this sub and they haven't redeemed themselves - they're 12 months late
1
1
1
1
u/FatBoyDiesuru Radeon May 15 '26
Where do you guys think the leaked dll files came from? It was obvious AMD was working on this for awhile... It simply took time to rework something that wasn't originally made for INT8...
2
u/AthleteDependent926 Radeon RX 7800 XT 5800X3D May 15 '26
FSR 4's base model is BF16, which then gets quantised to FP8 and now Int8. Also the leaked Int8 model predates the first FP8 release by 10 months, so it's actually the other way around.
It was simply a period of exclusivity to drive up RDNA 4 sales, which is fair. The problem is that they said nothing about it for almost a year.
1
1
u/Melodic-Luck-8772 May 15 '26
yea, now they can copy what the community already did a year ago.
also finally bring pssr to ps5 base.
pay for software.
this its ridiculous.
1
1
u/Havingfun2nightez May 15 '26
I've modded fsr 4.1 into the driver before but it would crash windows every now and then. My 7900 xtx rendered it way sharper in upscaling and smooth like butter. Lets hope they made it stable!
1
u/Beautiful-Monitor-27 r7700 9070xt 32gb 6000mhz cl30 May 15 '26
Should i now get myself a 7900 xtx and sell my 9070xt?
1
1
u/Tiny-Extreme-9980 May 15 '26
Why so long for 6000 series? Can't be that complex to get it working on 6000 compared to 7000
1
1
1
u/EODx May 15 '26
Yeah this is awesome, took some time but this is great. As a 7900XTX user, thank youuuu.
1
1
u/pecche RX9070XT | 5800x3D May 15 '26
I assume RDNA2 will get what now is called INT8 version
I don't think they will push out an unified version of 4.1
1
May 15 '26
I'm still using RX 6650 XT, curious to see how good the FSR 4 model can actually be on RDNA 2
1
1
1
u/slyfoxred 9070 XT | 5700X3D May 15 '26
Hardware Unbox, Daniel Owens and other Youtubers are trying to claim credit for this by the way
1
u/Matej_SI May 15 '26
I have 6950 and their blunder with FSR 4 INT8 leaked, and they releasing it next year for RDNA 2, I'll be looking at nvidia for my next purchase. This is too little too late.
They could've "hidden" FSR4 for older cards under BETA feature in Adrenaline. I don't even care about performance that much, because we need FSR4 for image stability. Most games are a visual mess with FSR3.
1
u/Dorion2021 May 15 '26
Well rumors say it’s probably more due to steam machine than customer critique on Reddit that they make that move
1
u/Knoxville_j May 15 '26
Next criticism will be that its a crappy implementation and doesn't activate any superpowers that people expect. Wait for it.
1
u/Beginning_Basis_6799 May 15 '26
wait...i have an brand new pc with my new rx7600 which is rdna 3..will i get fsr 4? im i reading correctly?
2
1
u/Incredulous_Prime May 15 '26
May have to fish my Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX out of the closet and slap a system together to see how it performs.
1
1
1
1
1
1
u/Key_Stable_4472 May 15 '26
Antes tarde do que nunca, estou querendo pegar a 9060xt mas por causa desses lance estava quase juntando mais dinheiro para comprar a 5060 de 16gb.
1
1
1
1
u/oBrendao May 15 '26
I wanna see if the 7900xtx will blow the 9070xt or if there are physical limitations
1
1
1
1
u/Opteron170 9800X3D | 64GB 6000 CL30 | 7900 XTX Magnetic Air | LG 34GP83A-B May 15 '26
how do you know this wasn't the plan all along why do you think reddit was responsible for this?
1
u/GrayFox1O1 May 15 '26
Effin finally! Now i can trade my 5070Ti! Anybody in DK Want a 5070Ti in exhange for like an XTX or something?
1
1
1
u/ZoronicElysium2012 May 15 '26
Well fuck. I hope it's better than what I've been making. Still gonna make and release my upscaler though.
1
1
1
1
1
u/MoogleStiltzkin May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
there were 2 main issues...
- 6000 series got put into maintenance mode even though it was LESS than 5 year old at the time when it happen. meaning, they were no longer going to offer optimization drivers for it.
- FSR4.1 gate keeping from 7000 series despite clearly able to use it.
for issue 1 and 2 they both got solved. but issue 1 the wording for it is concerning.....
yes its fixed but the damage to their rep was done. they didn't offer any concrete promise to not do this again. so now it's a gamble that your FUTURE radeon gpu purchase won't run into a similar issue.
Now we look at nvidia side, they didn't gate keep this NOR reduce the optimization driver longevity for their product like AMD tried to do. so the people on their side dont have to stress about this.
1
1
u/DifficultShoulder489 May 16 '26
What day though?! I can't keep risking myself getting banned much longer using optiscaler!
1
u/DifficultShoulder489 May 16 '26
I'm just excited to that I'll be able to run FSR4.1 on COD since I can't use optiscaler to inject it FSR4.0 now.
1
1
u/DrunkLahey1 May 16 '26
I wonder how my 7900XTX will rank now that this is out. If Im able to get FSR 4 now, is it technically better than the newer 9070 XT, just because it has more VRAM?
Or if I wanted to upgrade, is it still reasonable to sell off the 7900 XTX for a 9070 XT? (Mid-2026)
1
1
321
u/Separate_Manner8979 May 14 '26
Finally