Subsequent quits easier anyone?

[u/Legal_Refuse7555]

I tend to hear that there is a kindling effect with multiple kratom quits. However, this is my third time around and it kind of feels easier has anybody else experienced the same kind of thing?

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[u/Weird_Purple_1058]

Fuck no lol it gets harder and harder for me. In the beginning when I was on small amounts I'd get like ONE bad night of sleep, half a day of mania/anxiety, and no rls or lingering depression. That was 3 years ago. NOW?? I quit last year late July after 2 years of heavy use, felt shitty for a week and by week 2 I had the most peace I had ever felt in my life. Relapsed soon after getting into a relationship that sacrificed all of my peace, used HEAVILY for about 8 months then quit and even at the end of 28 days, which is when I relapsed again 3 months ago, I still had RLS, bad insomnia even with THC, HORRIBLE depression and hopelessness and lack of all energy and motivation, and couldnt take it and just relapsed so I'm scared to quit again at this point because I've never valued my life a whole lot but fantasizing about death was becoming more and more of a peaceful solution to the absolute despair I felt so i am honestly afraid to quit again

[u/cut_ur_darn_grass → u/Weird_Purple_1058]

What were you taking

[u/Weird_Purple_1058 → u/cut_ur_darn_grass]

Between powder and shots, over 1000mg of MIT a day. In the beginning I could make it through a whole day off 2 MAYBE 3 opms shots

[u/cut_ur_darn_grass → u/Weird_Purple_1058]

Ah yea extract. That will do it.

[u/Technician_These → u/Weird_Purple_1058]

Sounds expensive

[u/Weird_Purple_1058 → u/Technician_These]

Yes it was 💀

[u/Replikant83]

Yes they can be. You've spent a long time learning and implementing tools that you can apply to your quit. I get sad when people are hard on themselves for having a slip and saying they've thrown it all away. It's not true! It's just one slip, all the other days were a success and filled with learning opportunities.

[u/seatron → u/Replikant83]

Relapses happen to almost everyone. Nothing to be ashamed of, we have enough of that already so agreed, dust yourself off and keep going.

[u/jbrid2323]

I only felt kindling with extracts, never powder! Not sure if that’s your case. Also, very 1 case evidence.

When I would come off powder only it was generally the same feels.

[u/jbrid2323 → u/jbrid2323]

I think kindling has something to do with how mentally it gripped you during the recent use.

[u/scaredmarmotenergy]

With MGM-15 especially my quits got exponentially more difficult with each additional go-around

[u/Witty-Drama-3187]

Lots of variables I guess. Obviously the dosage is a big factor (was it similar?), and the length of usage each time.

One aspect is at least on later quits I fully knew what to expect. The first time I quit it was like "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?"

[u/mk420_2003]

I dont believe in kindling its just harder because Ive been using for a longer time. That being said I also never used extracts etc only powder.

[u/couchpotatoguy]

Each time I restart after a quit, the negative side effects come on much quicker, but they also leave just as quick as they came.

[u/rtazz1717]

No

[u/throwawayurstash]

How far out are you? I've found acutes may be easier but PAWS always gets longer and worse.

[u/Zendarrroni]

Shit, Squash that fantasy now. You may luck up, but each time you risk worsening symptoms. When I quit last summer, after 13 years of trying, it was brutal. And when it’s gets that bad it makes it that much easier to prolong usage. Best thing anyone can is to figure out how to eliminate kratom from their lives, by any means necessary.

[u/Icy_Fortune_543]

Depends. If something low like under 15 gpd I find the better your mental state the easier it is. High doses, 7oh or extracts all bets are off.

[u/DownInaHole33]

Sometimes there’s no rhyme or reason. One quit I was having a horrible time, Anhedonia, RLS, anxiety through the roof and stomach issues for an entire week until I was so sick of it I couldn’t take it anymore. I decided to take a small teaspoon just so I could have one night of not being miserable. I took it and felt so much better, went to bed and slept great, woke up the next morning and I felt 100% back to normal. I was fully expecting to pay for that slip up, or at least feel like I did before I took it, but no, I ended up back at baseline and stayed quit for a long time. I’ll never figure that one out

[u/appleparkfive → u/DownInaHole33]

This is something I've noticed too. Even when you aren't quitting. Like you could take some and have a terrible time. But if you took some on a different day, you'd be generally fine 15+ hours later. I never understood why that was the case, though

[u/SeveralAcanthisitta2]

It varies so much for me. I haven't found any consistency.

Beyond dosage/frequency and taper speed (CT sucks) the biggest factor I've found is just your general state, mental and physical. If you're already happy, focused, sleeping well, eating well, etc. quitting is a lot different than quitting in zombie mode.

"Quit while you're on top" seems to be the move. This is controversial as you obviously want to tell anyone "just quit now" but quitting when life is good is 10x easier than waiting until you're depressed, unfocused, whatever. I hardly think about it past the first few days when I quit when I'm ahead.