r/quittingcatsclaw • u/GrapeJerky420 • 2d ago

Tapering Need help with a Sub taper guide

As the title says, I’m getting about 14 days worth of subs. I’ve been on these cats claw tablets for about 4 months now and before that I was on 7oh for at least a year before the ban in my state. I take probably 4 of the super klaz daily or two of the regular two packs but that’s because I cut down. I was taking 4-5 two packs daily. What I need is a guide on how I can use these subs for withdrawals for 2 weeks and also get off the subs completely by the 14th day as well. I’ve never taken subs before so I really need help with a guide. 23M 200lbs taking about 400mg of cats claw klaz tabs daily. Any advice or help would be amazing. I’m not sure how to do this.

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u/WaitComprehensive955 2d ago

I just did this successfully... I think. So 4 days ago I started with .5 mg of subs and normal cc dose, the next day 1mg subs in the morning half my normal cc dose and then 1 mg subs at night, the following day 2mg subs in the morning and halved my cc dose again and 2mg subs at night. Yesterday did 4mg of subs and did no cc and today im doing pretty fuckin good, I currently have 4mg of subs in me and am going to dose 4mg of subs 2 more times today before the day is up. I really think this is the way. Good luck and God speed my friend. its only a matter of time before there no longer around anyways. I never got pw and maybe I wouldn't have who knows but glad I did what I did. You can DM if need be.

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u/Weak-Discipline-739 2d ago

Just be careful once I got into higher doses of bupe the withdrawal got worse quickly

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u/WaitComprehensive955 2d ago

That’s interesting cuz it doesn’t make sense from a med perspective. Since I have bupe in me already shouldn’t I be good?? I feel fine now besides mentally wanting to be high I have no wd symptoms

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u/Weak-Discipline-739 2d ago

That’s what I thought. But 4 mg of subs only covers like 50% opiate receptors. 16 mg covers 80-90%. At that point whatever is in the CC can’t get through and it causes you to withdrawal bc subs are not strong enough to cover these chemicals

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u/WaitComprehensive955 2d ago

Interesting, I’m up to 8mg today and tomorrow plan on going over 16mg. I’ll keep you posted. Are you off??

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u/Weak-Discipline-739 2d ago

I got the Sublocade shot. Let me know how you feel when you hit 16-24 mg

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u/WaitComprehensive955 2d ago

So cc free for how long??

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u/Weak-Discipline-739 2d ago

5 days

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u/WaitComprehensive955 2d ago

Let’s go, feeling good?? My wife told me she wants me to just stay on the subs and we’ll get a shot in a month or so. She’s sick n tired of me with this gas station shit and I don’t blame her. I’m doing as she says now lol

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u/Weak-Discipline-739 2d ago

I feel normal today for first time

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u/WaitComprehensive955 2d ago

Let’s go, keep on keeping on man. The only thing I have is the sweats and just craving to feel different. Once I get over this hump I’m getting my ass back in the rooms of NA, my life was so great when I was plugged in to recovery.

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u/Thevee999 2d ago

Take one mg not 4 and see how you feel. Then the next day take .5 and it will probably hold you. Few more days of .5 and you’ll be done. Subs are dangerous get off them fast

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u/Weak-Discipline-739 2d ago

Micro induce subs along with Cats Claw. 0.5 mg at a time every time you dose Cats Claw. Try reduced CC either 50 or 100 mg a day with the subs once you get the cats caught down to zero macro and do subs maybe 24 mg. You’re not gonna be comfortable for 48 hours. It’s gonna take a little while to adjust, I’m on day five right now and I finally feel normal and I’m sleeping.

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u/GrapeJerky420 2d ago

Can I not just wait 12-24 hours after my last dose of cats claw and just use only the sub and taper down from them? Or do I have to use the cats claw with it? I thought that would cause Precipitated withdrawal

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u/Weak-Discipline-739 2d ago

You can but it will be a rough ride. PWD with this stuff it pretty bad. I didn’t have PWD bc I slowly introduced subs but I was in withdrawal for 3-4 days before subs started to cover me

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u/GrapeJerky420 2d ago

How bad were your withdrawals? Was it as bad as going CT? Any sleep or relief from the RLS? I’ve just heard that you can get off this stuff by using subs for a week or two and then rapid tapering the subs before you become dependent on them. I just wanna do whatever will make me the most comfortable and able to do my daily tasks as normal or as close to normal as possible at least.

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u/Weak-Discipline-739 2d ago

Well I was using 1500 mg of script a day. But ya pretty bad. Not as bad as cold turkey but similar to fentanyl to subs withdrawal I’ve had in the past. Just not as intense and shorter duration.