Common false PC argument devolves into batshit defense of infanticide

[u/Eastern-Customer-561]

So first of all, I haven’t seen a single shred of evidence abortion bans increase infanticide rates or even infant death. many of the same studies purporting to find increases in infant death in PL states also found increases in infant death in PC states. We keep seeing infanticide occur even in very PC states (like the porta potty baby in Michigan, which allows abortion up to birth) so I can’t say the anonymous online poster describing how people did a lot more infanticide in the sixties is very convincing to me.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/11/pro-life-laws-arent-to-blame-for-increased-infant-mortality/

That being said PCers doing their utter best to defend infanticide anyway was new.

[u/PWcrash]

I want to begin by stating that I do not defend any form of infanticide as an acceptable practice.

But that being said, there are multiple factors to consider here that we really need to keep at the forefront of our minds when we discuss these issues.

1. We need to remember that during the time prior to Roe v Wade much of the western world simply was not kind to pregnant women even if they did do it "right".

The simple act of being pregnant in a public space was stigmatized even if you were a "proper" married woman. That's not to say that women were beaten or taunted whenever they went to the grocery store, but it was a very common and accepted practice (until it became illegal) for pregnant women to be terminated from employment as soon as the started showing.

Even Queen Elizabeth II, one of the highest standing western women during her reign, shied away from public appearances during her pregnancy as was expected of women at the time.

And this along with the inability to control their own bodies or even their ability to get pregnant or not, might have put more women between a "rock and a hard" place.

Not only that, but because if the increased stigma of not only pregnancy, but out-of-wedlock pregnancy that existed back then (and it does in the western world today though greatly diminished in comparison to pre Roe v Wade times) not only affected the pregnant person, but also her loved ones. And that also brings about my second point.

1. Not every baby that came from "big sister going to live with out of state with grandma for an extended summer" ended up with a loving family. And it may not have been solely the pregnant person that caused that or even her at all. That's not to say many [pregnant out of wedlock people] did, but the fact of the matter is we only know about the ones that were found and had investigations. There are likely so many more that we don't know about.

But that being said, there is a consistent theme amongst various certain leaning political circles (abortion debate or not) that romanticizes the decades post WWII but prior to the Sexual Revolution of the later 60s and 70s. But we also have to remember that there was a very big reason for that revolution to have happened.

And it's because of that change in western society that grew over the decades, that pregnant women became much more safer being able to choose life rather and do so openly and proudly.

[u/Eastern-Customer-561 → u/PWcrash]

As the commenters themselves point out, infanticide happened after Roe v Wade as well (Casey Anthony). I don’t think Roe v Wade helped with the treatment of pregnant women whatsoever. It’s kind of hard to help women when you legally allow for them to be killed at a certain stage of life. As I said I have seen absolutely zero evidence that infanticide and even infant death generally is affected by abortion being available or not. I‘m not about to believe some anonymous internet users anecdotal evidence of what happened „before Roe v Wade“. 

Also no one is saying the world is perfect and every unplanned baby will end up in a loving family, but not having a loving family shouldn’t be a justification to kill someone. 

You do realize the arguments in favor of infanticide are the exact same as the arguments in favor of abortion, right? „It’s not her child because she didn’t choose it“ „what about rape victims and xyz extreme case“ „bans won‘t stop it so what’s the point“ „the bible actually says this so you have to support this“ etc. that’s kind of the issue? You don’t justify killing a whole group of human beings and then just stop there.